Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 In a message dated 10/26/2004 9:53:45 AM Mountain Daylight Time, bhagatirtha writes: > Up to U. I didn`t hear from U uptil now any serious kabbalistic idea, > so i see no use to discuss it with U either. > Friend is good. But having rabbi, tsaddik or even gaon as a friend > doesn`t make U a kabbalist... > > Regards, > A. I didn't come here to discuss Kabbalah. I came here because it is , and I came here to learn something about that, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 In a message dated 10/26/2004 10:11:33 AM Mountain Daylight Time, bhagatirtha writes: > I may remind U that it is U who first mentioned Jesus and New > Testament in the thread connected purely to shakti-sadhana... > Sorry to make U angry again. > > Regards, > A. I'm not angry, A. I think it's fine that you mention Kabbalah and Judaism. Are you Jewish? All I"m saying is it's not what I came here to learn about, and I have no desire nor intent to attempt a discussion of it, with you, or anybody else on this forum. The fact that you seem to think that without Kabbalah no man or woman may understand Any of the Mysteries of the Universe, is a notion that I find ridiculous and a big narrowsigthed and arrogant. A lot of people have understood a lot of things, without the aid of Kabbalah. Btw, Are you Jewish? How is it that you came to study Kabbalah? Blessings of the Goddess, Cathie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 93 , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > oh hooey scplooey. who says so. it does to those who revel in duality. > Flesh is bad and to be ascended. Masculine equals transcendance. Feminine > Earth is abused and trampled under the feet of men. Women are seen as the gateway > to Hell because they are the object of men's desires... This crap is MUCH later invention. At times of Jesus there were no such views, at least in judaism. Thus it is totally baseless . > i'm NOT going to discuss jewish traditions or kabbalah with you, i have a > friend who is a classical jewish rabbi. thank you. Up to U. I didn`t hear from U uptil now any serious kabbalistic idea, so i see no use to discuss it with U either. Friend is good. But having rabbi, tsaddik or even gaon as a friend doesn`t make U a kabbalist... Regards, A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 93 , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > In a message dated 10/26/2004 9:53:45 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > bhagatirtha@m... writes: > I didn't come here to discuss Kabbalah. I came here because it is > , and I came here to learn something about that, thank you. I may remind U that it is U who first mentioned Jesus and New Testament in the thread connected purely to shakti-sadhana... Sorry to make U angry again. Regards, A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 In a message dated 10/26/2004 11:24:10 AM Mountain Daylight Time, bhagatirtha writes: > "Crolwey, sin and Jesus" topics can be related I have every belief that Crowly, Sin and Jesus topica can be related !!! I suspect Crowley had some very interesting thoughts about Sin. Still, I suspect no matter how good you feel you understand Kabbalah, a classical Jewish Rabbi who teaches Kabbalah would find any number of ways to take issue with any number of your interpretations on the subject. Hence if I were going to study Kabbalah, I would study it from a Jewish Rabbi. If I were going to study Quabbalah, a Jewish Kabbalah teaching rabbi would be of no use to me. If I wanted to deal with the dark shadow of satan, and free myself from a fundamentalist Christians guilt ridden upbringing and certain other restrictions of western thought, and that aspect was THAT big to me, I suppose I would study the thinking of Crowely, and using Crowley's insight as a tool to help me understand Quabalah from his perspective, which I'm sure could also be useful, or so many wouldn't find him so necessary, and yet, who is also not indispensible. I agree with you on there being many systems. In addition to Hebrew Kabbalah, and Hinduism. For a long time, in my youth, I was driven to learn about the Buddhist system. I have three of my own discussion lists, and for about 2 years, we had a classical Jewish Rabbi on the group who made regular postings -- a Kabbalah series -- as well as contributed in discussion and answered questions. I trust that the subject is deep enough, complex enough, and not my domain. I"m not going to study it because I don't feel any desire to study it, but that doesn't mean it's of no value. Just makes it irritating when you keep telling me "U need to study Kabbalah" -- in fact, I don't need to study it -- at least not right now. But, I have a deep respect for the Jewish system of spirituality, and a certain exposure to it, and I did hear this same Jewish Rabbi explain to us that Judiasm has a lot in common with modern Paganism, AND that Judaism has no concept of the Devil that is parallel in any way to a Christian concept of Satan. Peace, Cathie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 93 , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > The fact that you seem to think that without Kabbalah no man or woman may understand Any of the Mysteries of the Universe, is a notion that I find ridiculous and a big narrowsigthed and arrogant. When did i state this may i ask? I do not think so. I`m well aware of the fact that indian siddhas had no idea about Kabbalah while thier understanding was not inferior to that of tsaddikim. Never i said Kabbalah is "better" than Tantra as well. These are independent tradition that are complete in themselves. As i remember i was referring to Kabbalah in cases it was natural to do so. "Crolwey, sin and Jesus" topics can be related to it as i view. Also there are many doctrinal and practical parallels in two systems i referred to. Some explanations provided by kabbalists to me seem more exact and useful. While some other points are better illumined in Tantras. Just my opinion, nothing more. BTW there are also other great traditions apart from Kabbalah and Tantra (not that U don`t know - just i`m saying this in advance for the case U ask "what then about others?"). > A lot of people have understood a lot of things, without the aid of Kabbalah. No doubt. > Btw, Are you Jewish? How is it that you came to study Kabbalah? I am not. At least in this birth . When i saw correspondences with kula-tantrism interest came naturally. Maybe some samskaras from the past, but that`s mere speculation LOL. Besides that one of my teachers is a kabbalist. Best regards, A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 "This crap is MUCH later invention. At times of Jesus there were no such views, at least in judaism. Thus it is totally baseless" And how do we know this? Women were murdered (stoned) for adultery just like today. It would be surprising indeed if women of Jesus's time thought their lot was peachy. Omprem , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > 93 > > , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > > oh hooey scplooey. who says so. it does to those who revel in > duality. > > Flesh is bad and to be ascended. Masculine equals transcendance. > Feminine > > Earth is abused and trampled under the feet of men. Women are seen > as the gateway > > to Hell because they are the object of men's desires... > > > This crap is MUCH later invention. At times of Jesus there were no > such views, at least in judaism. Thus it is totally baseless . > > > > i'm NOT going to discuss jewish traditions or kabbalah with you, i > have a > > friend who is a classical jewish rabbi. thank you. > > > Up to U. I didn`t hear from U uptil now any serious kabbalistic idea, > so i see no use to discuss it with U either. > Friend is good. But having rabbi, tsaddik or even gaon as a friend > doesn`t make U a kabbalist... > > Regards, > A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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