Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 I am under the impression that, while Shiva and Kali have a sexual relationship, they are NOT married! Kali cannot belong to any one man or god. Compare Shiva's relationship with Durga. They behave in many ways like husband and wife (as Annapurna, Ma Durga makes sure that Shiva stays fed), but Durga is <brahmacharya> -- she maintains her virginity, and she has no sex life with Shiva. As Parvati, the Devi is legally married to Shiva, and their passionate honeymoon (during which they invented the various postures of the Kama Sutra) is famous. Parvati is Ganesha's mommy (often she is said to have created him without Shiva's participation). The river goddess Ganga dwells in Shiva's matted hair. She was accidently impregnated by Shiva's sperm, and their offspring is Skanda. Shiva even had a fling with Vishnu -- though Vishnu was disguised as Mohini the Enchantress at the time. -- Len/ Kalipadma On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:31:49 -0700 (PDT) kumar krishna <kichu_60002 writes: > > > kali......wife of shiva...... > > man its the finding of the era.... > great....keep up the good work > ______________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 93 Greetings, Plz do not see Kali, Durga or Parvati as some kind of really existing distinct persons. Myths have some meaning, but it`s useless to take them literally. Shakti is ONE. Whether we call Her Kali, Durga, Radha or Tripura, She is One and the Same. Aspects differ; but everytime She is Shakti united with Shiva in perfect union of Love. It`s funny to think out if Kali is "married" or not. She is the ONLY "WOMAN" that exist for Shiva! What is the point of marrying or not? ______________ "29. For I am divided for love's sake, for the chance of union. 30. This is the creation of the world, that the pain of division is as nothing, and the joy of dissolution all". (Liber AL 1) Love is the law, love under will. A. , kalipadma@j... wrote: > > I am under the impression that, while Shiva and Kali have a sexual > relationship, they are NOT married! Kali cannot belong to any one man or > god. > > Compare Shiva's relationship with Durga. They behave in many ways like > husband and wife (as Annapurna, Ma Durga makes sure that Shiva stays > fed), but Durga is <brahmacharya> -- she maintains her virginity, and she > has no sex life with Shiva. > > As Parvati, the Devi is legally married to Shiva, and their passionate > honeymoon (during which they invented the various postures of the Kama > Sutra) is famous. Parvati is Ganesha's mommy (often she is said to have > created him without Shiva's participation). > > The river goddess Ganga dwells in Shiva's matted hair. She was > accidently impregnated by Shiva's sperm, and their offspring is Skanda. > > Shiva even had a fling with Vishnu -- though Vishnu was disguised as > Mohini the Enchantress at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 > > > > The river goddess Ganga dwells in Shiva's matted hair. She was > > accidently impregnated by Shiva's sperm, and their offspring is > Skanda. This is completely untrue; I do not know even a single source on the birth of Skanda that corresponds with the above. Ganga is referred to sometimes as the mother of Skanda but this relation comes about because the Shiva's seed (born of fire from His third eye) dropped into the Ganges... (Kalidasa's Kumarasambhava refers to Ganga as the mistress of Siva, makes very interesting reading, though much of it is a gross extrapolation). -yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 93 93 , "childofdevi" <childofdevi > wrote: > > > The river goddess Ganga dwells in Shiva's matted hair. She was > > > accidently impregnated by Shiva's sperm, and their offspring is > > Skanda. > > This is completely untrue; I do not know even a single source on the > birth of Skanda that corresponds with the above. Ganga is referred to > sometimes as the mother of Skanda but this relation comes about > because the Shiva's seed (born of fire from His third eye) dropped > into the Ganges... (Kalidasa's Kumarasambhava refers to Ganga as the > mistress of Siva, makes very interesting reading, though much of it > is a gross extrapolation). Ganga is concidered to be second wife of Shiva in several myths. However myself i don`t remember that she is called mother of Skanda, that is not right perhaps. I guess Shiva`s semen was not from his eye . It fell into the fire according to some legend. However in any case Ganga is an aspect of that One Shakti who is Kali Herself. So in makes little difference what we think about Ganga in particular... A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 > > Ganga is concidered to be second wife of Shiva in several myths. Can you give any references from smrithi( Kumarasambhava does not qualify). > However myself i don`t remember that she is called mother of Skanda, > that is not right perhaps. Ganga is not called the Mother of Skanda but Skanda is called the Child of Ganga- a subtle difference LOL (I think in the Subrahmanya sahasranama one of the names of Skanda is Ganga-sutAya). Not only Ganga but there are many others who are called the parents of Skanda(eg Agni, wives of the Saptarishis, saptamatrikas) the reason for which becomes obvious from the story of Skanda's birth. > I guess Shiva`s semen was not from his eye . It fell into the fire > according to some legend. This is as per Sivapuranam and some other secondary sources. For the birth of Skanda, we look at the the primary reference which is the voluminous Skanda-puranam, in which the six seeds of fire (NOT semen!!) shoot out from Siva Third eye. > However in any case Ganga is an aspect of that One Shakti who is Kali > Herself. So in makes little difference what we think about Ganga in > particular... > YES, agreed! -yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 93 , "childofdevi" <childofdevi > wrote: > > Ganga is concidered to be second wife of Shiva in several myths. > > Can you give any references from smrithi( Kumarasambhava does not > qualify). Now i cannot LOL (no books here). Besides, this matter is of no practical value also. But for those interested i suggest to read "Criminal Gods and Demon Devotees" - there U get mythological references. http://www.allbookstores.com/book/0887069827 A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 "The river goddess Ganga dwells in Shiva's matted hair" and thus they are "married". "She was accidentally impregnated by Shiva". The conception of Manifestation is "accidental" since Rudra-Shiva is guardian of the Unmanifest; but of course this first conception is perfect and pure (a "virgin birth" of a perfect reality) and from the inert expanse of perfect Ideas (the Mind of God, which is the very body of Lord Shiva) is born the perfect incarnation (the ideal form, the physical form of the Ideal, an Avatara). Shiva and Shakti remain in eternal coitus, but in worldly legend the maidenhood of the Devi is preserved by the device of "spilled" (Skanda) seed. This fiery "seed" (the product of Shiva's Tapasya) was nonetheless deposited into Sri Ganga, whose immortal flow could not actually bear its intense heat. And, to preserve Her own perfection, Skanda was driven to Her banks, where he dwelled in the vegetation until his true nature was recognized by the six Karttikas, who kindled his light and raised the youthful spark up to a blazing reality. In Yoga, the Son becomes the equal of his Father, since their Light is ultimately One Light. Shiva and Skanda are but the source of light and the light itself; both the sacrificial fire and its essential nature, which are an effectively inseparable conjoined twin. And Shakti is Power ~ the Power of transformation, without which the Vision could not be made Flesh. So that all three of the Father, the Mother, and the Child, together frame the original nuclear "family". The "human" details of all of this (birth, marriage, sex, semen, etc.) are only scriptural approximations to the "true" story, which is ultimately beyond words. Shiva, Shakti, and Skanda, are but three forms of Fire, or Agni; and Agni is Rudra, and both are known as Tryambaka. Mahadeva! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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