Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 It occurs to me that there is a fourth thing that needs to be brought into the picture, and that is the problem of human evil. Consider for instance Crowley endorsing a woman who covers herself with gooey cheese and lets rats bite her so she can kill them one by one, video taping herself and this sick scenario, for all to see. Who does this kind of thing serve? Do some things distort us so far from what we are meant to be as humanity, that they cross some invisible line into the category we call Evil? After all, even if a person is very tamas, lazy and prone to inertia, that does not make him or her evil. But there Might be another person who IS very evil, who mutiliates children, or whatever. Maybe a person with more Rajas will be more inclined to evil acts. The question is, what does Hinduism say about Evil. Does it have a way of dealing with this concept of human evil? A name for it? Or is it a concept that Hinduism does not discuss? And, is this the Fourth thing that needs to be defined, so we can remind ourselves in a discussion of Tamas, Rajas and Sattva, that even IF somebody does categorize people by loosely defining such categories, that still there is a Fourth category that is not mentioned and that does not belong solely to any of the gunas, called EVIL. What is it? What do we do about it? What does Hinduism and Shakta say? Blessings and Peace, Cathie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 In a message dated 10/30/2004 10:31:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SophiasHeaven writes: After all, even if a person is very tamas, lazy and prone to inertia, that does not make him or her evil. Personally I have never come across these ideas of absolute "good" or "evil" it wlays seems to be more a matter of degree. I myself try not to believe in evil myself ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 93 , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > It occurs to me that there is a fourth thing that needs to be brought into the picture, and that is the problem of human evil. Cathie, U have put very good question. I leave aside Ur comments about Crowley - that`s Ur view and U have the right to think whatever U want. Simply U know too little about him... But the topic of evil is rather important. As far as i know, there is no such cathegory in hinduism that corresponds to what semitic religions call "evil". This is a weekness of hindu systems; and the result of this we can see in many cases. What we generally get from hindus is the idea of karma (that too usually misunderstood). And with that idea we may come to delusive conclusion that there is no evil at all... A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 >swastik108 > > >Re: The Fourth Thing: >Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:57:26 EDT > >In a message dated 10/30/2004 10:31:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >SophiasHeaven writes: >After all, even if a person is very tamas, lazy and prone to inertia, >that does not make him or her evil. >Personally I have never come across these ideas of absolute "good" or >"evil" >it wlays seems to be more a matter of degree. I myself try not to believe >in >evil myself ;-) > I second that. I really do not see any absolute good or evil, for God is above such concepts. However, I suppose there are unwanted forces that people do consider evil...but even then, they have a purpose. Blessings, _______________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Uh, I never at any time said that Crowley "endorsed" this scenario ("Poule Aux Rats"...described in his book "Magick Without Tears" p. 478)..it was a paid event he attended (no details given, but I expect "by invitation only"!), and later wrote about.. And it took place sometime around the 1920s, so they barely had radio, much less TV, never mind "video cameras!" If you wish to know more about "evil", I might recommend M. Scott Peck's book "People of the Lie".It should be readily available second hand; it came out in 1987. This is one of the very few books I have ever read about that actually addresses the subject in an insightful way, though his view is tainted with fundamentalist christianity,and this must be kept in mind. The Qabalah has its "evil" aspect, referred to as the "Qliphoth". You can ask your rabbi friend about it, but he will probably not wish to talk much about it, as it is considered "dangerous even to think upon". Lilith M. --- SophiasHeaven wrote: > It occurs to me that there is a fourth thing > that needs to be brought > into the picture, and that is the problem of human > evil. > Consider for instance Crowley endorsing a > woman who covers herself > with gooey cheese and lets rats bite her so she can > kill them one by one, video > taping herself and this sick scenario, for all to > see. Who does this kind of > thing serve? > Do some things distort us so far from what we > are meant to be as > humanity, that they cross some invisible line into > the category we call Evil? > After all, even if a person is very tamas, > lazy and prone to inertia, > that does not make him or her evil. But there Might > be another person who IS > very evil, who mutiliates children, or whatever. > Maybe a person with more Rajas will be more > inclined to evil acts. > The question is, what does Hinduism say > about Evil. Does it have a > way of dealing with this concept of human evil? A > name for it? Or is it a > concept that Hinduism does not discuss? > And, is this the Fourth thing that needs to > be defined, so we can > remind ourselves in a discussion of Tamas, Rajas and > Sattva, that even IF somebody > does categorize people by loosely defining such > categories, that still there > is a Fourth category that is not mentioned and that > does not belong solely to > any of the gunas, called EVIL. > What is it? What do we do about it? What > does Hinduism and Shakta > say? > > Blessings and Peace, > Cathie > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 , SophiasHeaven@a... asked: what does Hinduism say about Evil?. >From a Christian perspective, the embodiment of Evil is the "Anti- Christ". If Christ is the body of God, then the Anti-Christ must be the body of all that is NOT God ~ and Hinduism does not recognize anything apart from God! To be, or not to be? That is the question. But when God is known as the source of Existence itself, then the answer is easily found. What is not in God has (by definition) no separate existence. The concept of Anti-Christ is an illogical Christian invention that has no place in Hindu thinking. The Christian image of Satan, however, has been lifted directly from the iconography of Rudra-Shiva. Perhaps the Christian idea of the opposition of Christ and Antichrist is best expressed in the Hindu opposition of Dharma and Adharma. Dharma is that which is established or firm, steadfast decree, statute, ordinance, law, usage, practice, customary observance or prescribed conduct, duty, right, justice, virtue, morality, religion, religious merit, good works, etc. And Adharma is the opposite of all of this. Adharma (Unrighteousness) and his partner Himsa (Harm or Hurt) are the parents of Nirrti (the negation or over-passing of Rta or Right and True, i.e. Wrong and Untrue, Outside or Without the Rta" ~ i.e. "Beyond the Law") whose name indicates Dissolution and Darkness. And the Offspring of Nirrti are Naraka (Hell), Bhaya (Fear), and Mrtyu (Death). Hinduism certainly does accept the existence of "Good" and "Evil", and they are known as Dharma and Adharma. And they were born simultaneously from the breast of Yama. Nirrti is an ancient name of Rudra and of Kali. The vehicle of Shiva, however, is Dharma (or Nandi); and Adharma has been cast out from the realm of Sanatana Dharma. Adharma is by its very definition "Wrong"; and it is clear that Adharma leads one into Suffering, Fear, Death, and (rather than towards Light and Liberation) directly to imprisonment in the Darkness of Hell. In Hinduism, there are two fundamental Paths: Nivritti (Inward Movement of Consciousness) and Pravritti (Outward Movement of Consciousness). And each of these Dharmas, which apparently lead in opposite directions ("Left" and "Right"), takes one toward Liberation and Light. Nivritti (Involution) is very close to Nirrti (Dissolution), but there is a clear distinction between Dharma and his twin Adharma. And yes, there are two paths that you can go by, but there is an unspoken third direction ~ not really a path at all, but the journey is swift and direct ~ into the bottomless pit-fall of Adharma. Hinduism says that Adharma is Evil, and Dharma is Good! And firmly seated on the throne of Dharma, all Hindus might approach Lord Shiva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Thanks ! Blessings of the Goddess, Cathie In a message dated 10/31/2004 6:46:51 PM Mountain Standard Time, sarabhanga writes: > , SophiasHeaven@a... asked: > what does Hinduism say about Evil?. > > From a Christian perspective, the embodiment of Evil is the "Anti- > Christ". > > If Christ is the body of God, then the Anti-Christ must be the body > of all that is NOT God ~ and Hinduism does not recognize anything > apart from God! > > To be, or not to be? That is the question. But when God is known as > the source of Existence itself, then the answer is easily found. > What is not in God has (by definition) no separate existence. > > The concept of Anti-Christ is an illogical Christian invention that > has no place in Hindu thinking. The Christian image of Satan, > however, has been lifted directly from the iconography of Rudra-Shiva. > > > Perhaps the Christian idea of the opposition of Christ and Antichrist > is best expressed in the Hindu opposition of Dharma and Adharma. > > Dharma is that which is established or firm, steadfast decree, > statute, ordinance, law, usage, practice, customary observance or > prescribed conduct, duty, right, justice, virtue, morality, religion, > religious merit, good works, etc. And Adharma is the opposite of all > of this. > > Adharma (Unrighteousness) and his partner Himsa (Harm or Hurt) are > the parents of Nirrti (the negation or over-passing of Rta or Right > and True, i.e. Wrong and Untrue, Outside or Without the Rta" ~ > i.e. "Beyond the Law") whose name indicates Dissolution and > Darkness. And the Offspring of Nirrti are Naraka (Hell), Bhaya > (Fear), and Mrtyu (Death). > > Hinduism certainly does accept the existence of "Good" and "Evil", > and they are known as Dharma and Adharma. And they were born > simultaneously from the breast of Yama. > > Nirrti is an ancient name of Rudra and of Kali. The vehicle of > Shiva, however, is Dharma (or Nandi); and Adharma has been cast out > from the realm of Sanatana Dharma. > > Adharma is by its very definition "Wrong"; and it is clear that > Adharma leads one into Suffering, Fear, Death, and (rather than > towards Light and Liberation) directly to imprisonment in the > Darkness of Hell. > > In Hinduism, there are two fundamental Paths: Nivritti (Inward > Movement of Consciousness) and Pravritti (Outward Movement of > Consciousness). And each of these Dharmas, which apparently lead in > opposite directions ("Left" and "Right"), takes one toward Liberation > and Light. > > Nivritti (Involution) is very close to Nirrti (Dissolution), but > there is a clear distinction between Dharma and his twin Adharma. > And yes, there are two paths that you can go by, but there is an > unspoken third direction ~ not really a path at all, but the journey > is swift and direct ~ into the bottomless pit-fall of Adharma. > > Hinduism says that Adharma is Evil, and Dharma is Good! > And firmly seated on the throne of Dharma, all Hindus might approach > Lord Shiva. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Arjuna Taradasa wrote: > > But the topic of evil is rather important. As far as i know, there is > no such cathegory in hinduism that corresponds to what semitic > religions call "evil". This is a weekness of hindu systems; and the > result of this we can see in many cases. > What we generally get from hindus is the idea of karma (that too > usually misunderstood). And with that idea we may come to delusive > conclusion that there is no evil at all... > What is your definition of evil? Best Regards Lars > A. > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > *It is better to give¿* > · Especially when giving to a child in poverty. > <http://us.ard./SIG=129op7e47/M=319077.5535351.6606697.2152211/D=groups\ /S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1099234783/A=2412409/R=0/SIG=126r8pk66/*http://etools.ncol.\ com/a/levelone/bg_childrenint_yh-textad2_192.html> > > · *Click here * to meet a child you can help. > <http://us.ard./SIG=129op7e47/M=319077.5535351.6606697.2152211/D=groups\ /S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1099234783/A=2412409/R=1/SIG=126r8pk66/*http://etools.ncol.\ com/a/levelone/bg_childrenint_yh-textad2_192.html> > > > > ------ > * Links* > > * > / > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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