Those who quote scriptures....reply

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Hey Kumar Krishna or Kichu or whatever:

 

Why be so combative? Whats the problem? Instead of asking questions (which is

easy) tell us what you want to say. That way it is better. Just asking questions

that too in a very combative tenor is not welcome?

The questions indicate you "think" you know the answer so give the answers

without wasting space on the board.

Kochu

 

kumar krishna <kichu_60002 wrote:

 

 

my reply to omprem is...

 

man u r out of your mind....you dont understand the

cycles of life...when can a guru(yogi)attain his

salvation...

when his soul can break free from his body...

 

learn about (atleast try) the ways of yogis...

 

(even the perfect yogi has a time for moksha....may be

at the time of his birth...so he has to waite another

cycle fot the same)...

 

and dont moke about adi shankara...

he is the one who united hindus all over india...

why do you think..saffron..which is grown in

kashmir..is a sacred thing in temples of south india..

and why is coconut is so important in temples in

rishikesh or kashmir...(just a political thing)

 

understand it before u make a comment against a

respected person..

 

 

jai kaali maa

 

 

 

jai kali maa

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- Lili Masamura <sephirah5 wrote:

> Well, it is clear that since realized people like

> Ramakrishna Paramahansa don't meet your standards of

> "guru", despite the thousands and thousands of

> (clearly deluded)people who DO acknowledge his

> greatness (and that of his wife, Shri Sarada Devi),

> it

> might be asked, just what ARE your criteria for

> guruhood anyway? Many great teachers quote

> scripture,

> for the benefit of their students. One minute you

> are

> saying "REAL gurus don't quote scripture", then you

> come out with "Those who do so, do so selectively"

> Which is it? Things like this really undermine your

> credibility, you know...

> Lilith M.

> --- omprem <omprem wrote:

>

> >

> > I have never heard or read of an authentic Guru

> > quoting scripture.

> > They do not quote scripture because they do not

> need

> > to quote it.

> > As Self-realized beings, they have learned the

> > lessons of the

> > scriptures and gone beyond the scriptures to

> > Brahman. They

> > speak to aspirants from their own direct

> experience,

> > from the

> > vantage point of cosmic consciousness.

> >

> > Authentic gurus do recommend scriptures to

> aspirants

> > because

> > those aspirants can have something in their hands

> to

> > study and

> > learn from. Scriptures are records from those who

> > have been

> > where the aspirants wish to travel. Gurus because

> of

> > their

> > cosmic consciousness are able to guide the

> aspirants

> > not only

> > through life but through the scriptures with all

> > their seeming

> > contradictions and startling metaphoric

> descriptions

> > and

> > prescriptions.

> >

> > My experience with those who like to quote

> scripture

> > is that they

> > have little in the way of cosmic consciousness, do

> > not actually

> > fully understand the scriptures they quote, misuse

> > scriptures to

> > prop up their egos, make themselves appear more

> > knowledgeable than they are, and attempt to

> > appropriate the

> > authority of the scriptures to themselves. All

> these

> > reasons will

> > accrue karmic consequences for the quoter.

> >

> > Those who quote scriptures do so selectively.

> > Because of the

> > often contradictory appearance of scriptures it is

> > easy to pick a

> > quote that will appear back up one's viewpoint.

> And

> > then

> > someone else finds a contrasting quote and soon

> > there is an

> > argument occuring based on a misuse and

> > misunderstanding

> > of scripture. Scripture is not intended for

> > argument or even

> > debate. What both of these types of people fail to

> > understand is

> > that their motives, their intentions in using

> > scripture for personal

> > advantage carry onerous karmic consequences.

> >

> > Those who quote scripture in a challenging manner

> > have a

> > fundamentalist, literal attitude. But scripture is

> > not literal. It is

> > metaphorical. It is to be read and understood on

> > several levels.

> > Fundamentalists, on the other hand, are incapable

> of

> > operating

> > on different levels. They only know the graphic

> and

> > the obvious.

> > Any subtlety is beyond them. Consequently, the

> > scriptures

> > themselves are beyond the grasp of those who quote

> > them at

> > the current time. In future, these people may

> > progress but not if

> > they insist of misusing and misinterpreting

> > scripture.

> >

> >

> > Omprem

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