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Dear All:

I would like to know more about how to perform

"Pitri Tarpana", the rite of honouring one's

ancestors, I believe... Shri Vimalananda speaks very

highly of the rite in his books. Would any of the

Indian people out there be able to describe the ritual

to me, that I might perform it?

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Pitri-tarpana has to be done ONLY by hindus. If U are not (and U are

not) then there is no need. Also it is improper to imitate some dharma

not being initiated into it. If U pass through all necessary samskaras

and become hindu then U can do hindu rituals.

For tantriks (that too those from yavanas) no pitri-tarpana is

necessary.

 

A.

 

, Lili Masamura <sephirah5>

wrote:

> Dear All:

> I would like to know more about how to perform

> "Pitri Tarpana", the rite of honouring one's

> ancestors, I believe... Shri Vimalananda speaks very

> highly of the rite in his books. Would any of the

> Indian people out there be able to describe the ritual

> to me, that I might perform it?

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"If U pass through all

> necessary samskaras

> and become hindu then U can do hindu rituals"

 

This is very fanatic. That is why people are leaving

hinduism. The fact is you do not need to perform hindu

rituals to be hindu. Hinduism bound to rituals is only

for those following the 'bhakti marga '. How about if

one follows the 'Gyan marga '.

 

Everyone can perform Pitri tarpana, if you believe in

it. I do not believe in that. Once the body is

cremated it passes into the five "tatwa's". The ATMA

remains and I am not responsible for the Shanti of any

ATMA, also not of my parents (pitri). You need to

perform good Karma for yourself.

 

MM

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, Mahenderkoemar Mangroo

<mahendermangroo> wrote:

> "If U pass through all necessary samskaras and become hindu then U

can do hindu rituals"

>

> This is very fanatic. That is why people are leaving

> hinduism. The fact is you do not need to perform hindu

> rituals to be hindu. Hinduism bound to rituals is only

> for those following the 'bhakti marga '. How about if

> one follows the 'Gyan marga`.

 

Yes, but in Jnana-marga U need not do any pitri-tarpana! I was talking

about orthodox smarta hinduism (which IS dependent upon samskaras).

I am not a fanatic at all LOL. Myself i`m a kaula and i don`t believe

in most hindu samskaras ;).

 

> Everyone can perform Pitri tarpana, if you believe in

> it. I do not believe in that. Once the body is

> cremated it passes into the five "tatwa's". The ATMA

> remains and I am not responsible for the Shanti of any

> ATMA, also not of my parents (pitri). You need to

> perform good Karma for yourself.

 

No, not everyone. U can be jnani or bhakta without passing samskaras

that`s ok sure. But smartic rituals are orthodox practices that are

meant ONLY to orthodox hindus (= who had gone through necessary

samskaras).

 

Exactly like it is in judaism. Until U have passed giyur (if U are not

a jew by birth) U cannot perform rituals. But U can be some kind of

heterodox kabbalist (= jewish tantric :))...

 

A.

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Now!! now!! please lets not start on a new round of useless arguments.

 

1. "Hindu" - which I think is a word that was coined in early 19th Century or by

the Arabs. I am not sure. One thing is sure though. IT IS NOT A WORD USED IN OLD

INDIA TO DENOTE ANYTHING. And etymologically it just means people of the land of

Indus.

 

2. What is now understood by the name "Hindu", in ancient days, included

everything from adwaitin to dwaitin to nihilists.

 

3. Thus there is NO uniform code for "Hindu" as understood in Judaism,

christianity and Islam. {This is just my personal view eh? (runs for

cover)*smile*}

 

4. There are samskaras and what not for each group. Some common and some not so

common. So there is no common rule on samskaras and what not but there are

common elements thats all.

 

Kochu

Arjuna Taradasa <bhagatirtha wrote:

 

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, Mahenderkoemar Mangroo

<mahendermangroo> wrote:

> "If U pass through all necessary samskaras and become hindu then U

can do hindu rituals"

>

> This is very fanatic. That is why people are leaving

> hinduism. The fact is you do not need to perform hindu

> rituals to be hindu. Hinduism bound to rituals is only

> for those following the 'bhakti marga '. How about if

> one follows the 'Gyan marga`.

 

Yes, but in Jnana-marga U need not do any pitri-tarpana! I was talking

about orthodox smarta hinduism (which IS dependent upon samskaras).

I am not a fanatic at all LOL. Myself i`m a kaula and i don`t believe

in most hindu samskaras ;).

 

> Everyone can perform Pitri tarpana, if you believe in

> it. I do not believe in that. Once the body is

> cremated it passes into the five "tatwa's". The ATMA

> remains and I am not responsible for the Shanti of any

> ATMA, also not of my parents (pitri). You need to

> perform good Karma for yourself.

 

No, not everyone. U can be jnani or bhakta without passing samskaras

that`s ok sure. But smartic rituals are orthodox practices that are

meant ONLY to orthodox hindus (= who had gone through necessary

samskaras).

 

Exactly like it is in judaism. Until U have passed giyur (if U are not

a jew by birth) U cannot perform rituals. But U can be some kind of

heterodox kabbalist (= jewish tantric :))...

 

A.

 

 

 

 

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, "Arjuna Taradasa"

<bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

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> 93

>

> Pitri-tarpana has to be done ONLY by hindus. If U are not (and U

are

> not) then there is no need. Also it is improper to imitate some

dharma

> not being initiated into it. If U pass through all necessary

samskaras

> and become hindu then U can do hindu rituals.

> For tantriks (that too those from yavanas) no pitri-tarpana is

> necessary.

>

>

 

I am very surprised at this statement of yours. Tarpana, Marjana and

Homa are requirements for purascharana - every tantrik does it. And

tantriks are absolutely Hindus.

 

Perhaps you are referring to Sraddha, which is a ritual usually done

by priests; but if someone wants to do it regardless of their

background I dont see any problem; in fact only benefits arise.

 

I will concur with you that a staunch catholic or any confirmed

relgionist has no need and is better off not doing sraddha...

 

-yogaman

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, "childofdevi" <childofdevi

> I am very surprised at this statement of yours. Tarpana, Marjana and

> Homa are requirements for purascharana - every tantrik does it. And

> tantriks are absolutely Hindus.

 

First of all, in Tantra purashcharana CAN BE DIFFERENT. Also without

ANY homa/tarpana stuff. If U got from Ur guru upadesha to do

purashcharana with homa - U do as he said (and NOT according to

smriti). What "every tantric" does also depends on his guru, on

sampradaya, on his own will and above all on Devi. What is sure that

ritual purashcharana is not the most essential part of Tantra ;).

 

Tantrikas are hindus is some sense. I wouldn`t say "absolutely"...

> Perhaps you are referring to Sraddha, which is a ritual usually done

> by priests; but if someone wants to do it regardless of their

> background I dont see any problem; in fact only benefits arise.

 

I said "PITRI-tarpana", right? "If someone wants to do it regardless

of their background" - that`s thier right, but it is NOT supported by

Shastras. It is NOT upasana, not dharma or whatsoever. That`s the only

thing i wanted to tell. Of course, everyone is free to do shrAddha,

kula-yAga, namaz, holy mass and the ritual of pentagram at the same

time LOL.

 

A.

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Actually i agree ; for a kaula the pitru kriya may nt be very relevant because

who is his pitru?

 

Genetic ancestors? But he has given them up when he took deeksha and further 21

generations up and own are supposed to have got "moksha" when he takes deeksha.

So where is the pitru u are trying to propitiate?

 

Arjuna Taradasa <bhagatirtha wrote:

 

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, "childofdevi" <childofdevi

> I am very surprised at this statement of yours. Tarpana, Marjana and Homa are

requirements for purascharana - every tantrik does it. And tantriks are

absolutely Hindus.

 

First of all, in Tantra purashcharana CAN BE DIFFERENT. Also without ANY

homa/tarpana stuff. If U got from Ur guru upadesha to do purashcharana with homa

- U do as he said (and NOT according to smriti). What "every tantric" does also

depends on his guru, on sampradaya, on his own will and above all on Devi. What

is sure that ritual purashcharana is not the most essential part of Tantra ;).

 

Tantrikas are hindus is some sense. I wouldn`t say "absolutely"...

> Perhaps you are referring to Sraddha, which is a ritual usually done by

priests; but if someone wants to do it regardless of their background I dont see

any problem; in fact only benefits arise.

 

I said "PITRI-tarpana", right? "If someone wants to do it regardless of their

background" - that`s thier right, but it is NOT supported by Shastras. It is NOT

upasana, not dharma or whatsoever. That`s the only thing i wanted to tell. Of

course, everyone is free to do shrAddha,

kula-yAga, namaz, holy mass and the ritual of pentagram at the same

time LOL.

 

A.

 

 

 

 

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