[look at Kaulas] - to omprem [..again LOL]

[Guest guest]

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And again, "omprem" ))))))))))))))))))))))). U won`t miss a chance,

yeah?

Your "astonishing discovery" of the fact that "enjoyment and happiness

does not come from the outside but from turning away from the outside

and focusing within" is new for U, but kaulas knew that long ago LOL.

Already Abhinavagupta cited the agamic verse "Anando brahmaNo rUpaM

tachcha dehe vyavasthitam" which later appears in Kularnava-tantra.

 

Before criticising something U have to understand it first. However it

is difficult, i understand. So much mental strain is of no use for

"yogins", yeah? So it is easy to go on comdemning that what U have

neither knowledge of nor experince in.

 

Finally, U are exactly wrong about desire. But this topic was already

discussed recently, i don`t want to type all the stuff again.

It is NOT needed to get rid of desire itself .

 

Remember, we are discussing soteriology and doctrine of Kaula-

tantrism. Maybe some hinayana buddhists or some other disagree, but we

are not dealing with them now. MAYBE it is possible to reach same goal

through unnatural, hypocritic and stubborn mathods of suppressing

desires and straining oneself with unnecessary ascetism - MAYBE; but

Prakriti is a the organic part of Godhead and not some kind of

"devil", why to fight against Her?

 

A.

 

, "omprem" <omprem> wrote:

>

> -The path to God through enjoyment or licence is but the lazy,

> undisciplined person's path to God. It takes the long way around

> so it is not above all others. With this path the aspirant has to

> exhaust all of his/her desires and get rid of his/her rigid tendency

> to focus on external devices to achieve happiness. But these

> people finally come to realize, after tens of thousands of

> lifetimes , that enjoyment and happiness does not come from

> the outside but from turning away from the outside and focusing

> within.

>

> Some people learn more quickly than others. These people are

> slow to learn. But it doesn't matter, we all eventually learn that

> craving, self-love and attachment brings only suffering whereas

> detachment, egolessness, and focus on Brahman brings

> supreme peace.

[Guest guest]

Your ranting emotionalism is an excellent example of why a bit of

discipline (i.e. sadhana) has to be directed toward reining in

desire in order to move from fear to bliss. from negativity to

positivity, from darkness to light, from restlessness to peace,

from ignorance to knowledge and from earth to heaven and from

mortatlity to immortality.

 

Omprem

 

 

, "Arjuna Taradasa"

<bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

>

> 93

>

> And again, "omprem" ))))))))))))))))))))))). U won`t miss a

chance,

> yeah?

> Your "astonishing discovery" of the fact that "enjoyment and

happiness

> does not come from the outside but from turning away from the

outside

> and focusing within" is new for U, but kaulas knew that long

ago LOL.

> Already Abhinavagupta cited the agamic verse "Anando

brahmaNo rUpaM

> tachcha dehe vyavasthitam" which later appears in

Kularnava-tantra.

>

> Before criticising something U have to understand it first.

However it

> is difficult, i understand. So much mental strain is of no use for

> "yogins", yeah? So it is easy to go on comdemning that what

U have

> neither knowledge of nor experince in.

>

> Finally, U are exactly wrong about desire. But this topic was

already

> discussed recently, i don`t want to type all the stuff again.

> It is NOT needed to get rid of desire itself .

>

> Remember, we are discussing soteriology and doctrine of

Kaula-

> tantrism. Maybe some hinayana buddhists or some other

disagree, but we

> are not dealing with them now. MAYBE it is possible to reach

same goal

> through unnatural, hypocritic and stubborn mathods of

suppressing

> desires and straining oneself with unnecessary ascetism -

MAYBE; but

> Prakriti is a the organic part of Godhead and not some kind of

> "devil", why to fight against Her?

>

> A.

>

> , "omprem"

<omprem> wrote:

> >

> > -The path to God through enjoyment or licence is but the lazy,

> > undisciplined person's path to God. It takes the long way

around

> > so it is not above all others. With this path the aspirant has

to

> > exhaust all of his/her desires and get rid of his/her rigid

tendency

> > to focus on external devices to achieve happiness. But these

> > people finally come to realize, after tens of thousands of

> > lifetimes , that enjoyment and happiness does not come

from

> > the outside but from turning away from the outside and

focusing

> > within.

> >

> > Some people learn more quickly than others. These people

are

> > slow to learn. But it doesn't matter, we all eventually learn that

> > craving, self-love and attachment brings only suffering

whereas

> > detachment, egolessness, and focus on Brahman brings

> > supreme peace.