Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Lars: Of course I can also go beyond Hitler. Nothing bad without any good. Take the state of Israel for example. If Hitler hadn't killed 6 000 000 jews they hadn't had the state of Israel today. So the jews should THANK Hitler for their state of Israel!" Nora: They should thank DEVI for it is her will that the state of Isreal was created because it is meant to be. Hilter is just a tool being used. Just like you and me are all tools. Why is it that people use Hitler as an example if bad conduct but do not use the Zionists who used Hitlerian tactics to invade and conquer Palestine as an example of bad conduct.? Or, are the Palestinians just reaping a group karma, i.e. getting what they deserve? Should the Palestinians be thankful for this opportunity to work off some karmic debt? What are the karmic consequences for those who side with the Zionists and condoning prolonged subjugation of the Palestinians? Are they ignoring their duty to humanity? Omprem , "N. Madasamy" <nmadasamy@s...> wrote: > > "Right, I agree. But as Lao-Tze put it: "Solve the small problem > before it becomes big ... The biggest problem in the world could > have been solved when it was small." > > I AGREE. The biggest and the smallest problem is also a perception. > What is a small problem to you might be big for another. So this > Lao-Tse statement may be true in certain instances but not practical > in certain area. > > > "With your attitude we shall sit in the sofa and let the problem > grow over our heads." > > You are wrong in this again. I never say you ignore the problem or > try to deny the problem exist again. Please read the whole thread > again. It is obvious that you never really understood what I am > trying to say here. > > "Of course I can also go beyond Hitler. Nothing bad without any > good. Take the state of Israel for example. If Hitler hadn't killed > 6 000 000 jews they hadn't had the state of Israel today. So the > jews should THANK Hitler for their state of Israel!" > > They should thank DEVI for it is her will that the state of Isreal > was created because it is meant to be. Hilter is just a tool being > used. Just like you and me are all tools. > > I wrote :"What do you think will lead to this noble endeavours? > " > > Lars : I am not so sure it will lead to anything but just post pone > the armageddon. > > Do you think so. So you do not consider the gathering or the coming > together of people for a good cause is good or it is just a waste of > time? > > "But what if this children standing in front of the mother > suddenly > have a loaded gun in his hand...' > > The Gun is their ego being continously fed by this egolistical > attitude of " I Am The One" I am the Cause. All these "I > am" is the > ego. When I say that, I am referring to your attitude of not wanting > to accept the fact that DEVI is the power and the energy that moves > everything. That is why SHE is called the Shakti. Even the children > were to carry a gun and try to shoot her, they are just shooting the > illusion, because DEVI is within us all. > > "I understand your position, there is something we can learn from > it, just as we can learn from all other different aspects or > views." > > Do you? > > "But according to my opinion it is too defeatistic, we part take > to > create our own future. Thus we decide if tomorrow will be a hell or > paradise." > > Yes I agree we are the one who create our own hell or paradise. That > is why DEVI have given us the brain to think. Brain with a reasoning > power to decide for ourselves what I good or bad, the ability to > make the choices. Even the act of thinking is a creative process and > any creative process is a sacred act. Perhaps to you is being > defeatistic, but to me it being what and who we are and How I see my > relation ship with DEVI. To us the DEVI is not something separate, > but SHE is within us all. She is the very energy the moves us. That > is what sadhana is all about. TO transcend to be DEVI. To merge and > be ONE with DEVI. > > "We are co-creators of universe!" > > SHE is the universe . We are the players in her universe. > > "I do not eat crap-food because I know that it will certainly > give > me diseases. Thus I am a master of my destiny to a not so little > extent. Not to mention my yoga-destiny, which I can fulfill better > with a healthier lifestyle." > > That is the reasoning power that DEVI have given to you because you > have make an effort to find out and learn about crap food and its > effect. She can just remove that and you are nothing but "A > living > vegetable" attached to the life support system. > > "I do not accept it but will fight with all means to decrease > horrible things - as I am not a masochist." > > What if you fight and you loose? You go around lamenting about your > failure. Or you move on. That is what I am trying to say. > > "If Churchill had had that attitude Htiler had occupied UK." > It is DEVi wills too the Churchill does not have this attitude. > Otherwise not only Hitler, will occupy UK. > > "I agree with you that much good comes from bad. The dark side of > the existence is many times a very good source of development and > to broaden our conscious. However that does not mean that we must > accept excesses of the dark side in a defaistic manner. That will > lead right to hell! " > > I don't think so it is being defaistic matter. > > "I remember a wise man told me once : If you look for the > goodness > that may arise from the bad happenings, then goodness will emerged. > Everything that DEVI brought forth to us there must be a reason, and > to me the reason will always be GOOD." > > Not necessarily the consequences, and especially if we just sit in > our sofa in front of the TV yawning..." > > Precisely that has always been my stand many times. You must make an > effort for ****DEVI do not help those who does not help > themselves****. > > > Thank you lars for this thread of post. I shall not pursue on this > anymore as I think I have said what there is need to be said. I > forsee the rest will be just a repetition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 omprem wrote: Why is it that people use Hitler as an example if bad conduct but do not use the Zionists who used Hitlerian tactics to invade and conquer Palestine as an example of bad conduct.? Or, are the Palestinians just reaping a group karma, i.e. getting what they deserve? Should the Palestinians be thankful for this opportunity to work off some karmic debt? I agree with you Ompremji on this. Why this obsession with Hitler in the first place. Hitler is not the only so call evil. Why should we even just the zionist too? Why not use examples of our daily living. Things around us that we can relate to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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