Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 In a message dated 11/13/2004 4:14:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, SophiasHeaven writes: Can somebody please explain this to me? It seems the guy is totally wrong! I've have never once read anywhere in scriptures or in scholarly works by such esteemed people as Danielou, Mukherji, Klostermayer etc. and all have always sadi that we are currently in the Kali Yuga. I even believe most people say it began aroun 3000 BC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 In a message dated 11/13/2004 3:19:01 PM Mountain Standard Time, swastik108 writes: > It seems the guy is totally wrong! > > I've have never once read anywhere in scriptures or in scholarly works by > such esteemed people as Danielou, Mukherji, Klostermayer etc. and all have > always sadi that we are currently in the Kali Yuga. > > > I even believe most people say it began aroun 3000 BC! Thanks ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Kali the Dark and Beautiful. As Lao Tzu said, "Hold to the darkness and the light." People think that the materialistic aeon is somehow negative and base, but in fact the greatest creative strides grow from the gleaming chaos of abstraction for its own sake. Such 'darkness' can develop such things as drugs which will produce permanent euphoric bliss by stimulating MU1 brain stem receptor cells perhaps. Moreover, consciousness itself may be identified as a Unified Field with infinite potential which can produce abundance for everyone with no suffering. People think Kali Yuga is a time of strife and suffering and loss. And yet, according to best estimates, such as those of Sri Yukteshwar, Kali Yuga started when Krishna was shot in the toe at the end of the Bhagavad Gita. Therefore around 2,500 years back. And moreover Kali Yuga will develop over the next 250,000 years or so. So either get with it or fade away. - SophiasHeaven ; SophiasRealm Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:14 PM Kali Yuga: A Question: Please explain I keep hearing it is the Kali Yuga. Now here's this that says we are in a different Yuga. Can somebody please explain this to me? Peace, Cathie Comment: John Dering jdering During "these troubled political times" Yes, as opposed usual unbroken vast time spans of global peace and understanding. Okay I'm being sarcastic. Read the ancient Vedic texts and the descriptions of warfare on a scale we can not even imagine. The descriptions of aviation, nuclear warfare and even directed energy weapons are uncanny. This world goes through a long duration ~24,000 year cycle of slow upward spiritual evolution followed by a decline back into ignorance. The bottom of the last cycle was approximately 500AD. Since that time the world has been advancing and we are now about 300 years into the Dwapara Yuga [a 2400 year period of developments in electrical and atomic energy]. The desire for global peace is in part a dim memory of the "higher ages" the Treta and Satya yugas [corresponding the Greek idea of silver and golden ages]. The present age we are in will last another 2100 years during which enormous advancements in technology will occur. However in ALL ages the possibility of warfare is present. Everything is dualistic. The only real freedom from these troubled times is a balanced life of meditation and right activity. In time the theme of the world will become more and more self control and self improvement. When that occurs the human race will, to a large extent, throw off the shackles of war, ignorance and poverty. However even that will still be part of a greater cycle. So long as we place our hopes in the politicians and world leaders we are going to be consistently disappointed. It is good to act rightly in the world is certainly needed. But an inner renunciation from the dualistic contrasts of this earth is the foundation, the starting point, toward our real purpose here. No matter how many times we allow our expectations for happiness to rest upon the outcome of some political event we will always find disappointment. I am not suggesting a negative or passive state of renunciation, I advocate finding the real joy within and then carrying that into our worldly duties. Whatever else I have read in these email exchanges, I have read very little indication of true happiness and peace. +++++++++++++++ Other mirror reflects www.galacticdiplomacy.com/GD-Art-1.htm Press Release: FORMER UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR RELEASES STUDY ON SECRET GOVERNMENT DIPLOMACY WITH EXTRATERRESTRIALS Sponsor Eliminate Your Debt! · Get out of Debt Now · Christian counselors available · Click here to find out how you can become free from debt. Links / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Thanks Detective Mongo, I appreciate your commentary very much. Thanks. Peace, Cathie In a message dated 11/14/2004 12:19:57 AM Mountain Standard Time, detective_mongo_phd writes: > Kali the Dark and Beautiful. As Lao Tzu said, "Hold to the darkness and the > light." People think that the materialistic aeon is somehow negative and > base, but in fact the greatest creative strides grow from the gleaming chaos of > abstraction for its own sake. Such 'darkness' can develop such things as > drugs which will produce permanent euphoric bliss by stimulating MU1 brain stem > receptor cells perhaps. Moreover, consciousness itself may be identified as a > Unified Field with infinite potential which can produce abundance for > everyone with no suffering. People think Kali Yuga is a time of strife and suffering > and loss. And yet, according to best estimates, such as those of Sri > Yukteshwar, Kali Yuga started when Krishna was shot in the toe at the end of the > Bhagavad Gita. Therefore around 2,500 years back. And moreover Kali Yuga will > develop over the next 250,000 years or so. So either get with it or fade away. > > - > SophiasHeaven > ; SophiasRealm > Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:14 PM > Kali Yuga: A Question: Please explain > > > I keep hearing it is the Kali Yuga. Now here's this that says we are in a > different Yuga. Can somebody please explain this to me? > > Peace, > Cathie > Comment: John Dering jdering > > During "these troubled political times" > > > Yes, as opposed usual unbroken vast time spans of global peace and > understanding. Okay I'm being sarcastic. Read the ancient Vedic texts > and the descriptions of warfare on a scale we can not even imagine. The > descriptions of aviation, nuclear warfare and even directed energy > weapons are uncanny. This world goes through a long duration ~24,000 > year cycle of slow upward spiritual evolution followed by a decline back > into ignorance. > The bottom of the last cycle was approximately 500AD. Since that time > the world has been advancing and we are now about 300 years into the > Dwapara Yuga [a 2400 year period of developments in electrical and > atomic energy]. The desire for global peace is in part a dim memory of > the "higher ages" the Treta and Satya yugas [corresponding the Greek > idea of silver and golden ages]. The present age we are in will last > another 2100 years during which enormous advancements in technology will > occur. However in ALL ages the possibility of warfare is present. > Everything is dualistic. The only real freedom from these troubled times > is a balanced life of meditation and right activity. In time the theme > of the world will become more and more self control and self > improvement. When that occurs the human race will, to a large extent, > throw off the shackles of war, ignorance and poverty. However even that > will still be part of a greater cycle. So long as we place our hopes in > the politicians and world leaders we are going to be consistently > disappointed. It is good to act rightly in the world is certainly > needed. But an inner renunciation from the dualistic contrasts of this > earth is the foundation, the starting point, toward our real purpose > here. No matter how many times we allow our expectations for happiness > to rest upon the outcome of some political event we will always find > disappointment. I am not suggesting a negative or passive state of > renunciation, I advocate finding the real joy within and then carrying > that into our worldly duties. Whatever else I have read in these email > exchanges, I have read very little indication of true happiness and > peace. > > +++++++++++++++ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 How is it that so many say we are in Kali Yuga, and one man says we are in another Yuga? Are we in Both Yugas at once? What is the source of this disagreement? How can so many people be wrong? Do you agree with Yiuketshwar giri? How does he arrive at the conclusion we are in a totally different Yuga than what most are saying ? Peace, Cathie In a message dated 11/16/2004 7:06:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, kochu1tz writes: > this is exactly what Yiuketshwar giri said in "holy science". > > SophiasHeaven wrote:I keep hearing it is the Kali Yuga. Now here's > this that says we are in a different Yuga. Can somebody please explain this > to me? > > Peace, > Cathie > Comment: John Dering jdering > > During "these troubled political times" > > > Yes, as opposed usual unbroken vast time spans of global peace > andunderstanding. Okay I'm being sarcastic. Read the ancient Vedic texts and the > descriptions of warfare on a scale we can not even imagine. The descriptions of > aviation, nuclear warfare and even directed energy > weapons are uncanny. This world goes through a long duration ~24,000 year > cycle of slow upward spiritual evolution followed by a decline back into > ignorance. > The bottom of the last cycle was approximately 500AD. Since that time the > world has been advancing and we are now about 300 years into the Dwapara Yuga > [a 2400 year period of developments in electrical and atomic energy]. > .............................. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 this is exactly what Yiuketshwar giri said in "holy science". SophiasHeaven wrote:I keep hearing it is the Kali Yuga. Now here's this that says we are in a different Yuga. Can somebody please explain this to me? Peace, Cathie Comment: John Dering jdering During "these troubled political times" Yes, as opposed usual unbroken vast time spans of global peace andunderstanding. Okay I'm being sarcastic. Read the ancient Vedic texts and the descriptions of warfare on a scale we can not even imagine. The descriptions of aviation, nuclear warfare and even directed energy weapons are uncanny. This world goes through a long duration ~24,000 year cycle of slow upward spiritual evolution followed by a decline back into ignorance. The bottom of the last cycle was approximately 500AD. Since that time the world has been advancing and we are now about 300 years into the Dwapara Yuga [a 2400 year period of developments in electrical and atomic energy]. ............................... The all-new My – Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Hi Cathie: The standard calculation (and the state of the world in general) tend to suggest that we are still firmly lodged in the Kali Yuga (meaning simply Iron Age, and not Goddess Kali's Age as some tend to assume). *** How is it that so many say we are in Kali Yuga, and one man says we are in another Yuga? *** Because there is room for intelligent disagreement. I have, in fact, had it most convincingly explained to me that we are now transitioning out of the Kali Yuga -- that perhaps all of the Bin Ladens and Bushes and whatnot are merely the last, dreadful death-rattle of those dark and ignorant times. *** Are we in Both Yugas at once? *** No more than we are in the 18th and 21st centuries at once. But again the matter of classification arises. Some say we are in the Information Age. Others that we are in the Space Age. Vonnegut argues that we are still in the Dark Ages. All of these assertions are logically supportable. *** What is the source of this disagreement? *** Human nature. *** How can so many people be wrong? *** How did WWI happen? Why did India and Pakistan split? How did the Holocaust happen in Europe? Why did the Killing Fields happen in Cambodia? Why did the former Yugoslavia crumble into bloody civil war? Why do rival African cheiftains fight one another by hacking childrens' limbs off with machetes? How did Bush get re-elected? Again .... human nature. My 2 cents ... DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi always said that at times in Kali yuga a doorway can be opened right back into Dwapara yuga if enough people are living in tune with the Sanatan Dharma, and that the field of all possibilities is within humankind's grasp with the practice of TM and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. But since it hasn't yet happened we can guess that it's either a blip in the heart failure machine of the Iconic Man of Destiny, or the 1,000 years of peace is biding its time. Moreover, since each Yuga is typified by the state of consciousness, therefore if one is in the state of consciousness of that Yuga then you are in that Yuga. I loved the school motto of MIU that said, "Knowledge is Structured in Consciousness." "The world is as we are," - another Maharshism. Some say that a certain state of awareness has died, such as that of tribal shamans, but yet people are still staking out new ground with the old techniques, such as those that go do ayahuasca in the jungle. Not many make the breakthrough with it. It chooses the few. And there are few Castanedas, and Crowleys, and Satyanandas, and so on. Those who seek shall find, those who knock on the door, it shall be opened (into a different yuga). The Yuga of You. - SophiasHeaven Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:27 AM Re: Kali Yuga: A Question: Please explain How is it that so many say we are in Kali Yuga, and one man says we are in another Yuga? Are we in Both Yugas at once? What is the source of this disagreement? How can so many people be wrong? Do you agree with Yiuketshwar giri? How does he arrive at the conclusion we are in a totally different Yuga than what most are saying ? Peace, Cathie In a message dated 11/16/2004 7:06:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, kochu1tz writes: > this is exactly what Yiuketshwar giri said in "holy science". > > SophiasHeaven wrote:I keep hearing it is the Kali Yuga. Now here's > this that says we are in a different Yuga. Can somebody please explain this > to me? > > Peace, > Cathie > Comment: John Dering jdering > > During "these troubled political times" > > > Yes, as opposed usual unbroken vast time spans of global peace > andunderstanding. Okay I'm being sarcastic. Read the ancient Vedic texts and the > descriptions of warfare on a scale we can not even imagine. The descriptions of > aviation, nuclear warfare and even directed energy > weapons are uncanny. This world goes through a long duration ~24,000 year > cycle of slow upward spiritual evolution followed by a decline back into > ignorance. > The bottom of the last cycle was approximately 500AD. Since that time the > world has been advancing and we are now about 300 years into the Dwapara Yuga > [a 2400 year period of developments in electrical and atomic energy]. > .............................. > > / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Thanks ! Namaste Cathie In a message dated 11/17/2004 7:25:23 AM Mountain Standard Time, ctopaz70 writes: > Namaste, > > From the Jyotish (science of light--Vedic astrology, astronomy, > aryuvedic sciences, etc.) each age consists of approximately 25,000 > years, the time it takes for a complete go round of earth pole shifts > (which happens approximately every 2,500 years) around the > constellations. A yuga is made up of several of these ages the time > depending on which age is being spoken of. Within each yuga there > are smaller cycles of ascension and descension through each of > the 'ages' (golden, silver, etc.) Therefore, from this perspective, > it is quite possible to still be in the Kali yuga while experiencing > elements from the golden, silver, etc. it is just not the fullness of > the yuga since the overall tone of the primary yuga overlays > any 'minor' age. Hope this is helpful. Peace, Liaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 In a message dated 11/16/2004 2:44:57 PM Mountain Standard Time, detective_mongo_phd writes: > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi always said that at times in Kali yuga a doorway can > be opened right back into Dwapara yuga if enough people are living in tune > with the Sanatan Dharma, and that the field of all possibilities is within > humankind's grasp with the practice of TM and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. But > since it hasn't yet happened we can guess that it's either a blip in the heart > failure machine of the Iconic Man of Destiny, or the 1,000 years of peace is > biding its time. Moreover, since each Yuga is typified by the state of > consciousness, therefore if one is in the state of consciousness of that Yuga then > you are in that Yuga. I loved the school motto of MIU that said, "Knowledge is > Structured in Consciousness." "The world is as we are," - another > Maharshism. Some say that a certain state of awareness has died, such as that of > tribal shamans, but yet people are still staking out new ground with the old > techniques, such as those that go do ayahuasca in the jungle. Not many make the > breakthrough with it. It chooses the few. And there are few Castanedas, and > Crowleys, and Satyanandas, and so on. Those who seek shall find, those who knock > on the door, it shall be opened (into a different yuga). The Yuga of You. > thanks... ! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Namaste, >From the Jyotish (science of light--Vedic astrology, astronomy, aryuvedic sciences, etc.) each age consists of approximately 25,000 years, the time it takes for a complete go round of earth pole shifts (which happens approximately every 2,500 years) around the constellations. A yuga is made up of several of these ages the time depending on which age is being spoken of. Within each yuga there are smaller cycles of ascension and descension through each of the 'ages' (golden, silver, etc.) Therefore, from this perspective, it is quite possible to still be in the Kali yuga while experiencing elements from the golden, silver, etc. it is just not the fullness of the yuga since the overall tone of the primary yuga overlays any 'minor' age. Hope this is helpful. Peace, Liaya , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > this is exactly what Yiuketshwar giri said in "holy science". > > SophiasHeaven@a... wrote:I keep hearing it is the Kali Yuga. Now here's this that says we are in a different Yuga. Can somebody please explain this to me? > > Peace, > Cathie > Comment: John Dering jdering@s... > > During "these troubled political times" > > > Yes, as opposed usual unbroken vast time spans of global peace andunderstanding. Okay I'm being sarcastic. Read the ancient Vedic texts and the descriptions of warfare on a scale we can not even imagine. The descriptions of aviation, nuclear warfare and even directed energy > weapons are uncanny. This world goes through a long duration ~24,000 year cycle of slow upward spiritual evolution followed by a decline back into ignorance. > The bottom of the last cycle was approximately 500AD. Since that time the world has been advancing and we are now about 300 years into the Dwapara Yuga [a 2400 year period of developments in electrical and atomic energy]. .............................. > > > > > The all-new My – Get yours free! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Thanks for your feedback Devi. Sorry, for some reason I just now am finding this message but I see it is from a couple of days ago. Peace, Cathie In a message dated 11/16/2004 9:13:41 AM Mountain Standard Time, devi_bhakta writes: > Hi Cathie: > > The standard calculation (and the state of the world in general) tend > to suggest that we are still firmly lodged in the Kali Yuga (meaning > simply Iron Age, and not Goddess Kali's Age as some tend to assume). > > *** How is it that so many say we are in Kali Yuga, and one man says > we are in another Yuga? *** > > Because there is room for intelligent disagreement. I have, in fact, > had it most convincingly explained to me that we are now transitioning > out of the Kali Yuga -- that perhaps all of the Bin Ladens and Bushes > and whatnot are merely the last, dreadful death-rattle of those dark > and ignorant times. > > *** Are we in Both Yugas at once? *** > > No more than we are in the 18th and 21st centuries at once. But again > the matter of classification arises. Some say we are in the > Information Age. Others that we are in the Space Age. Vonnegut argues > that we are still in the Dark Ages. All of these assertions are > logically supportable. > > *** What is the source of this disagreement? *** > > Human nature. > > *** How can so many people be wrong? *** > > How did WWI happen? Why did India and Pakistan split? How did the > Holocaust happen in Europe? Why did the Killing Fields happen in > Cambodia? Why did the former Yugoslavia crumble into bloody civil war? > Why do rival African cheiftains fight one another by hacking > childrens' limbs off with machetes? How did Bush get re-elected? Again > ... human nature. > > My 2 cents ... > > DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 The shastras would have it that we have just entered Kali yuga but honestly I am not inclined to accept this as I feel things have definitely improved in the 21st century and so feel that Sri Yukteswar is correct in his interpretation of yugas. But then again there is a stunningly accurate description of Kali yuga in the Bhagavata Purana (which was written at least 1000 years ago) and this unfortunately applies only to the 20-21st century. So go figure!! -yogaman , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > Thanks for your feedback Devi. > Sorry, for some reason I just now am finding this message but I see it is > from a couple of days ago. > ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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