Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 93 , Lars Hedström <lars@2...> > >At least they are usually not misleading unlike some books > >by modern "masters" like Shivananda or Satyananda... > > > In what ways are the books of the authors mentioned misleading? I made this statement in particular context, yeah? The context is discussion of kaula rituals and practice. So, books of two abovementioned swamis (as of some other as well) are misleading - that is, they provide false information. I read in one book of Shivananda (cannot give reference now, but can find out) his "illumining" commentaries on 5M ritual. What he wrote was that 5M should not be practiced physically according to Tantras. And this statement is definite desinformation - to prove that one has to take a look at one-two Tantras in original . To use a proper word, that is a lie. Concerning american Satyananda: there's a book by him called "Kali Puja" (published by Devi Mandir and Motilal Banarsidass) and in it u emcounter the translation of Shmashanakali-sahasranama (starts from p.106). If we see that section of sahasranama which deals with vamachara we get astonished to what degree that fellow had perverted the meaning! ) That too his interpretation doesn't have ANY sense sometimes. Can anyone justify the translation of "bhagali~NgAmR^itaprItA" as "She who is beloved of the subtle nectar of wealth"? What does this mean? ; ))) Or one more masterpiece - just for example, U can get many there - "svayanbhUkusumArchitA" is translated as "She who is the offering of the flower which is born of itself"! "Misleading" is a very moderate word for such people. Just out of some respect to "swami status" i don't use the proper term for them LOL. Why we should allow ourselves to be cheated? We say we want truth but keep quiet when someone is spreading lies... Yeah?.. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Why we should allow ourselves to be cheated? We say we want truth but keep quiet when someone is spreading lies... Yeah?.. A. ------There's a difference between lies and transliteration, and it would pay for someone to understand it. Someone who can't tell the difference really cannot have any sensible view on anything. Sponsor -- / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Arjuna Taradasa wrote: >93 >I read in one book of Shivananda (cannot give reference now, but can >find out) his "illumining" commentaries on 5M ritual. What he wrote >was that 5M should not be practiced physically according to Tantras. >And this statement is definite desinformation - to prove that one has >to take a look at one-two Tantras in original . To use a proper >word, that is a lie. > > > But reportedly some schools practice it physically and some symbolic. >Concerning american Satyananda: > > As far as I know the Satyananda I have mentioned (author to Kundalini Tantra) live in India. Best Regards Lars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 93 , Lars Hedström <lars@2...> But reportedly some schools practice it physically and some symbolic. And again, this is in not what Shivananda told. He told that they were not practiced physically at all at should not be. Which is wrong, that's it. > As far as I know the Satyananda I have mentioned (author to Kundalini Tantra) live in India I specially wrote "american" Satyananda in order to avoid confusion. Swami Satyananda Sarasvati who wrote "Kundalini-tantra" and several other books on yoga and what not is different person. I was talking about the guy who lives in US and is associated with group. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 93 , "Detective_Mongo_Phd" <detective_mongo_phd@h...> wrote: > ------There's a difference between lies and transliteration, and it would pay for someone to understand it. Someone who can't tell the difference really cannot have any sensible view on anything. To begin with, transliteration is diffetent from translation )). The point was that Satyananda purposely changed the meaning of certain verses in order to cut off any referenses to sexual practices. How to call that if not a lie? If one claims to TRANSLATE the text but in fact gives some other stuff how is it called? That is not a minor mistake in some difficult place - it is intentional misinterpretation. If somebody is against tantric practice there is no problem, that's his right. There are so many denominations in hinduism... But why to pretend to be tantrika urself and then alter tradition whatever way u like? It is a lie and there is no justification for it. Even if Satyananda thought it was dangerous to speak openly about vamachara he could have taken another saharanama to translate. But what was done in "Kali Puja" is misleading. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Well, it's to Swami Satyananda Saraswati at Devi Mandir that I sent my bag of some fifteen Sri Shalagrama out of the blue and unbeknownst to him. I would think he had fairly decent karma to receive such an unusual gift. Because even if he didn't he still did, get it? So don't knock him too loudly, just based on a difference in opinion. This is what is outrageous in Eastern Mysticism is that since it is long built on the basis of debate and win or lose, winner take all, that every Hari and Selim think they can instantly step into debate and yell an opinion and win the day and the students and be a better guru than the next guy. However, since this forum exists in a novel new uberdimension, debate has become pluralistic to the 9th dimension, and there are no kudos to the greater debater anymore. Ie., You shall be known by your works, not your words. Swami Satyananda has at the very least, taken the time to transmit teachings and offer into English some complicated works and try to make them available to us, Westerners, the Terrors and Scourge of Kali Yuga (if you listen to the Maharishi (Mahesh Yogi)). So anyway, Taradasa, unless you have some better bone to pick with them, lay the hell off. I offend easy when people call one of the few real American Hindus a liar. The other best known American Hindu was the founder of Hinduism Today, that everyone is alway quoting. - Arjuna Taradasa Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:56 AM Re: TANTRA GOES SCIENTIFIC (misleading sourses) 93 , Lars Hedström <lars@2...> But reportedly some schools practice it physically and some symbolic. And again, this is in not what Shivananda told. He told that they were not practiced physically at all at should not be. Which is wrong, that's it. > As far as I know the Satyananda I have mentioned (author to Kundalini Tantra) live in India I specially wrote "american" Satyananda in order to avoid confusion. Swami Satyananda Sarasvati who wrote "Kundalini-tantra" and several other books on yoga and what not is different person. I was talking about the guy who lives in US and is associated with group. A. Sponsor Get unlimited calls to U.S./Canada Links / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.