Why Focusing on 'Extreme Tantra' is Silly and Fruitless

[Guest guest]

To All Concerned:

 

I am sure that there are some here who are amused or titillated by

lurid talk of corpses and body fluids and beastiality and whatnot, but

may I step in to try and clarify something?

 

This talk is completely useless and unproductive from the perspective

of actual sadhana. It's just sensationalism and noise. And though I

understand that a few people here may have a deeper understanding of

the actual and symbolic practices and meanings, it is pointless to

attempt explanation of same in a popular forum of this sort.

 

I will note that, by way of full disclosure, that my inititiatory path

is Kaula Srividya. If that is perceived as an insurmountable bias by

some, then so be it. But I will add that most, if not the vast

majority of Kaulas go thru life and worship without ever needing to

call upon these extreme substances.

 

Please understand that Tantra is a methodology that can be applied to

a great number of Hindu and Buddhism spiritual paths. Tantra is, in

essence, a gigantic toolbox full of practical tools and techniques for

addressing a vary array of needs and problems -- from impediments to

one's own spiritual progress, to the slightly more material needs and

concerns of both strangers and loved ones.

 

Ninety-nine (99%) percent of these tools involve plain old japa and

pooja and recitations of prayers and whatnot. A tiny percentage

involve the "infamous" panchamakara and aghora type practices that get

people all excited and righteous.

 

And so it is intellectually dishonest and philosophically lazy to grab

onto this tiny percentage of extreme practices and try to extrapolate

and judge the whole from that limited and lurid perspective. It is

just talk, and really pointless talk at that. Because none of the

practices are revealed in their true usage to those who are not in

need of them, or not of the proper character and learning to receive

and understand them.

 

So please, if you enjoy these sorts of threads, that is fine. Just

know that it is vain and self-indulgent chatter, and not the "real"

tantra being discussed -- to repeat, it is sensational tabloid fare

for the lurid consumption of the lowest common denominator. To discuss

these things without full initiatory training and background, is like

deigning to critique and condemn Albert Einstein or Stephen Hawking on

the finest points of their most esoteric and specialized theories --

when one barely managed to pass high-school physics.

 

Respectfully

 

DB

 

 

 

 

, "omprem" <omprem> wrote:

> So, for all of you who like having sex with animals or corpses

> (human or otherwise), or who like eating shit, smoking pot,

> taking drugs, or any other, shall we say, unusual, practice, there

> is someone out there who will tell you to go ahead and do it. If

> you are dumb enough to follow that advice be aware of the

> criminal penalties that apply to your practice, which could include

> conspiracy charges and other gang-related felonies.

>

> If you are still determined but are unable to find one of these

> 'gurus' , or can't quite bring yourself to elevate those who engage

> these practices to 'guru' status, you can always proclaim yourself

> as a 'guru', then you would have the divine right to do what you

> want, much like a few of the people on this board who offer

> highly vocal support of these practices.

>

> Omprem