Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 - > > The Shakta takes the Tantric view that the human body and human > experience is a microcosm of the Cosmos. Since it is our experience > that it is Woman, not Man, who gives birth, Devi Herself is seen as > the principle form of God, producing all other dieties, including > Shiva, out of Her own body. Again, this does not mean that Shiva or > whatever god cannot be worshiped. It simply means that they are > understood by the Shakta as only aspects of Her Totality. The experience of woman giving birth is limited to beings in this planet. In my opinion the feminine and masculine are two different forms of energy. Does anyone observe differences between male ascetics and female ascetics?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 In a message dated 11/18/2004 9:03:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, sephirah5 writes: In the absence of a guru,if I didn't know which one would be good I would worship Ganesha and ask Him to direct me. Yes. In the abscence of a Guru I wopuld first ask Ganish for help since he remopves obstacles and opens doors. Surely you can never go wrong with him! Shiva may seem to be a "default" but I think more westerners actually embrace Krishna dur to the work of ISKON. In Bengal people always assumed I was a Hari Krishna, then I reassured them of my love for Kali and stated that I could never deal with the haircut! lol I did seem to get more respect as a Kali Bhakta visiting for my love of her and not being a member to any organization. The Sadhus and crazy Babas tended to like me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 In a message dated 11/18/2004 9:11:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, angelusmortiis writes: I get frustrated when some Wiccans (I say some, not all) or any Pagan for that matter will automatically stick a picture of Kali on their altar and start worshipping her just because they consider her a "dark goddess." Them doing that and playing on the general Western view of her just proves to me that they did not put any effort in studying her, how her devotees in the East view her, and the basic philosophy of the Sanatana Dharma. I will be damned if I fall in that same trap. Blessings,Right you are! I had a female aquaintance tell me she wanted to have good and evil contrasting tattoos. She then went on to say that she was thinking of having the Virgin Mary on one arm and Kali (she pronounced like cali) on the other. I then went on to explain that they are basically the same thing for most people even though they may seem different they are both very much benevolent Mother dieties once you understand. It all seemed to confuse her so much that she changed the plan altogether, hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 In a message dated 11/18/2004 9:11:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, angelusmortiis writes: I get frustrated when some Wiccans (I say some, not all) or any Pagan for that matter will automatically stick a picture of Kali on their altar and start worshipping her just because they consider her a "dark goddess." Also I might add that it is very hard for people here to break free of the social conditiong that they are subjected to growing up. Me following this type of spiritual path has created friction with my family and mostly just because they do not understand it all, or it is over their head. Nonetheless, my Mother overcame her strict Catholic upbringing enough to buy me a beautiful picture of Kali from the California Mandir and it now hangs in my living room. Since it came from my earthly mother as well it is very dear to my heart. Honestly though, liberation is what we seek, so the eastern deities may be quite perfect to break free of that conditioning since they are so different then what we usually get here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 In a message dated 11/18/2004 9:12:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, angelusmortiis writes: Yes. I started getting better results when I realized >I was using techniques designed for men, and changed >accordingly. Women are better served with more active, >dynamic meditations, like dancing. I'm so glad you can see these things as they are and act accordingly! People tend to get very angry when you simply label things as feminie or masculine anymore, it can be hard to even discuss such issues without their being flare-ups! Perhaps this is why Kali has been so great for me. I mean my attitude toward all things feminine has become more sensitive and without being a submissive zealot either. She magnifies my own feminine side and it helps me achieve a balance in that way too. So many reasons I love my Ma Kali! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 In a message dated 11/18/2004 3:15:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, devi_bhakta writes: You added, "do Sakta's worship ganesha?" We most certainly do. In Srividya, it is integral. DB I also do. He was the one I started with for the same reasons previously mentioned. Ganesha is a super friendly deity no doubt about that! otherwise how could so many love him? Now, I do have to add that in West Bengal where Kali worship is umm pretty prevalent I did not see such a high regard for Ganesh. No disrespect, but he just did not seem as generally important. I mostly saw him in every shop keepers altar along with Lakshmi to help in the business transactions and such. There are swastikas at Dakshinishwar and that is his sign, but I saw no effigies there, same with Tarapith and Kalighat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Devi_bhakta, Male ascetics in indian stories usually after years of Tapas etc would fall for some shakti and again live in the sensual realm for many years. The female ascetics transcend the sensual realm, become shaktis with immense spiritual power, they worship shiva and become shiva. This is just an observation. -J , "Devi Bhakta" <devi_bhakta> wrote: > > Dear Jessica: > > You write: "The experience of woman giving birth is limited to beings > in this planet." > > If you mean, by the term woman, "the female of the terrestrial human > species," then I would have to agree. > > But if you mean that "the experience of the *feminine* giving birth is > limited to beings of this planet," then I would respectfully observe > that your theory contradicts the philosophy of the Tantras, which > allots to the Feminine the property of creative generation. > > *** In my opinion the feminine and masculine are two different forms > of energy. *** > > This is absolutely true. But the two aspects of this energy each have > their own qualities and functions. > > *** Does anyone observe differences between male ascetics and female > ascetics? *** > > In what sense? > > DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 I imagine I am not the only one who has noticed this..but for my part the Gods approached ME, not I Them... and many Western people have told me about being "followed" by Hindu Deities; appearing in their dreams, constantly popping up all over, etc. Sometimes there may be only one, sometimes several! But Shiva is kind of a "default setting" (can't go wrong with Shiva Puja! Even Krishna worships Shiva!), as is Ganesh. In the absence of a guru,if I didn't know which one would be good I would worship Ganesha and ask Him to direct me. Lilith M. --- Anya Mortiis <angelusmortiis a écrit : > > Hopefully this is not too silly of a question, > but... > > > Let's say you were...for instance, a Shiva bhakta. > Would it be considered > breaking away from the "bhakta" aspect of your path > if you decided to > worship other deities every now and then? I > wondered about that, since I am > fairly novice in the Sanatana Dharma. > > > Just food for thought...maybe I am too analytical > for my own good. The > question came to my head when discussing Bhakti Yoga > with someone. > > > Blessings, > Anya > > > Vous manquez d’espace pour stocker vos mails ? Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Mail sur http://fr.benefits./ Le nouveau Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Yes I feel this is very true; the deities are very real and are not some symbolic representation of attributes as many would have it. I was reading "Pathnotes of an American Ninja" by Glenn Morris which has some good tips on sadhana but more oriented towards Zen teachings, where he states he had a vision of a Hindu temple harlot dancing in front of him with a mini-skirt and a bare breast plate, with creepers around around body parts- at the time he did not know who this was but years later when he came across a picture of Lord Siva, he instantly recognized the Lord as the temple harlot LOL. Just to give you Morris's background- he was raised a Methodist fundamentalist with many years of Zen based teachings, with no exposure to Hindu figures- yet the Lord blessed him with a vision. -yogaman , Lili Masamura <sephirah5> wrote: > I imagine I am not the only one who has noticed > this..but for my part the Gods approached ME, not I > Them... and many Western people have told me about > being "followed" by Hindu Deities; appearing in their > dreams, constantly popping up all over, etc. Sometimes > there may be only one, sometimes several! But Shiva is > kind of a "default setting" (can't go wrong with Shiva > Puja! Even Krishna worships Shiva!), as is Ganesh. In > the absence of a guru,if I didn't know which one would > be good I would worship Ganesha and ask Him to direct > me. > Lilith M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Yes. I started getting better results when I realized I was using techniques designed for men, and changed accordingly. Women are better served with more active, dynamic meditations, like dancing. We are striving for balance, here; men mostly need to slow down, and women need to speed up, as a rule of thumb. I was also better served when I relied on my own intuition, and "figured it out" for myself. We already "submit" enough as women, now we need to take a more leading role and work on developing our dynamic wills. This is not done by bowing and scraping to yet ANOTHER overlord! Lilith M. --- jessica_malone1000 <jessica_malone1000 a écrit : > > > - > > > > The Shakta takes the Tantric view that the human > body and human > > experience is a microcosm of the Cosmos. > > Does anyone observe differences between male > ascetics and female > ascetics?. > > > > > > > Vous manquez d’espace pour stocker vos mails ? Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Mail sur http://fr.benefits./ Le nouveau Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 It is interesting that you mention dancing, since I actually bellydance now. I practice for at least an hour (or more) for most of the days of the week. I found it not only stress-relieving, but a spiritual experience. Also of recent months, I have been -trying- to follow my intuition. It has not been easy since I am so used to using my mind for everything, my intuition for nothing. Perhaps that is one of the lessons I need to learn in this life time - to balance out my mind and intuition. I am making progress though. Blessings, >Lili Masamura <sephirah5 > > >Re: Re: Bhaktas worshipping more than one? >Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:04:04 -0800 (PST) > >Yes. I started getting better results when I realized >I was using techniques designed for men, and changed >accordingly. Women are better served with more active, >dynamic meditations, like dancing. We are striving for >balance, here; men mostly need to slow down, and women >need to speed up, as a rule of thumb. I was also >better served when I relied on my own intuition, and >"figured it out" for myself. We already "submit" >enough as women, now we need to take a more leading >role and work on developing our dynamic wills. This >is not done by bowing and scraping to yet ANOTHER >overlord! > Lilith M. > --- jessica_malone1000 <jessica_malone1000 >a écrit : > > > > > > - > > > > > > The Shakta takes the Tantric view that the human > > body and human > > > experience is a microcosm of the Cosmos. > > > Does anyone observe differences between male > > ascetics and female > > ascetics?. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Vous manquez d’espace pour stocker vos mails ? > Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! >Créez votre Mail sur http://fr.benefits./ > >Le nouveau Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés >pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur >http://fr.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Yes. I started getting better results when I realized I was using techniques designed for men, and changed accordingly. Women are better served with more active, dynamic meditations, like dancing. We are striving for balance, here; men mostly need to slow down, and women need to speed up, as a rule of thumb. I was also better served when I relied on my own intuition, and "figured it out" for myself. We already "submit" enough as women, now we need to take a more leading role and work on developing our dynamic wills. This is not done by bowing and scraping to yet ANOTHER overlord! Lilith M. --- jessica_malone1000 <jessica_malone1000 a écrit : > > > - > > > > The Shakta takes the Tantric view that the human > body and human > > experience is a microcosm of the Cosmos. > > Does anyone observe differences between male > ascetics and female > ascetics?. > > > > > > > Vous manquez d’espace pour stocker vos mails ? Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Mail sur http://fr.benefits./ Le nouveau Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 In a message dated 11/19/2004 1:39:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, kalipadma writes: I had a friend who was a Kali bhakta, and (for a while) a priest of the Sivananda Order. When he tragically died young, his wife (!) held a Pagan memorial, where some Pagans denigrated Kali for taking the Bhakta from us. I stepped up, and said, "Don't attack Ma Kali -- Peter loved her as much as any other Deity." Right you are chap! There is a lot of misunderstanding here and it is a bit of a problem. A lot of people still know of Kali through crappy films like Indiana Jones -Temple of Doom and it is all total fiction. I think any devotee of Kali should try to correct these bad ideas when they see them appearing. There is a branch of Bengali music that is called Shyama Sangeet. It is all songs dedicatd to Kali Ma. The best singer of this school is Pannalal Bhattacharya. If you ever get the chance I highly reccommend it, it is some of the most beautiful music i have ever heard! Very far from any sense of "doom and gloom" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 The best way to develop intuition, is to use it in as many ways as you can, as often as you can. The fact that you are trying is very important. You will notice you are better at some things than at others. You may discover you have a knack for finding lost objects or knowing who is on the phone before you pick up. The key, is practice practice practice! Lilith M. --- Anya Mortiis <angelusmortiis a écrit : > > It is interesting that you mention dancing, since I > actually bellydance now. > I practice for at least an hour (or more) for most > of the days of the > week. I found it not only stress-relieving, but a > spiritual experience. > > Also of recent months, I have been -trying- to > follow my intuition. It has > not been easy since I am so used to using my mind > for everything, my > intuition for nothing. Perhaps that is one of the > lessons I need to learn > in this life time - to balance out my mind and > intuition. I am making > progress though. > > Blessings, > Anya > > >Lili Masamura <sephirah5 > > > > > >Re: Re: Bhaktas > worshipping more than one? > >Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:04:04 -0800 (PST) > > > >Yes. I started getting better results when I > realized > >I was using techniques designed for men, and > changed > >accordingly. Women are better served with more > active, > >dynamic meditations, like dancing. We are striving > for > >balance, here; men mostly need to slow down, and > women > >need to speed up, as a rule of thumb. I was also > >better served when I relied on my own intuition, > and > >"figured it out" for myself. We already "submit" > >enough as women, now we need to take a more leading > >role and work on developing our dynamic wills. > This > >is not done by bowing and scraping to yet ANOTHER > >overlord! > > Lilith M. > > --- jessica_malone1000 > <jessica_malone1000 > >a écrit : > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > The Shakta takes the Tantric view that the > human > > > body and human > > > > experience is a microcosm of the Cosmos. > > > > Does anyone observe differences between male > > > ascetics and female > > > ascetics?. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Vous manquez d’espace pour stocker vos mails ? > > Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! > >Créez votre Mail sur > http://fr.benefits./ > > > >Le nouveau Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez > toutes les nouveautés > >pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A > télécharger gratuitement sur > >http://fr.messenger. > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > --------------------~--> > $9.95 domain names from . Register anything. > http://us.click./J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM > --~-> > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > Vous manquez d’espace pour stocker vos mails ? Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Mail sur http://fr.benefits./ Le nouveau Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:52:04 -0800 (PST) Lili Masamura <sephirah5 writes: > > I imagine I am not the only one who has noticed > this..but for my part the Gods approached ME, not I > Them... and many Western people have told me about > being "followed" by Hindu Deities; appearing in their > dreams, constantly popping up all over, etc. Me, too! I'm an avid reader of World Myths, but the Hindu deities always stood out to me. When I moved to Flushing, NY, a friend phoned and said, "There's an article in the newspaper about a Hindu temple in your neighborhood." I walked over to the temple, stepped over to the mandapan of Ganesha, and lost consciousness! About 20 minutes later (still standing!) I re-entered my body. Tears were streaming down my face, and I was suffused with the feeling of having "come home." Sometimes > there may be only one, sometimes several! But Shiva is > kind of a "default setting" (can't go wrong with Shiva > Puja! Even Krishna worships Shiva!), Shiva, of course, returns the favor and worships Krishna. as is Ganesh. In > the absence of a guru,if I didn't know which one would > be good I would worship Ganesha and ask Him to direct > me. Virtually every Hindu, regardless of their personal chosen Deity, also worships Ganesha. Ganesha opens the way to all the other deities. He gets along with almost everyone -- the one exception I know of is that Tulsi (the Goddess of Basil-plants) and Ganesh disagree. I find Ganesha even works well in other, non-Hindu contexts. I know Jews, Moslems, Wiccans, and Norse Pagans who worship Ganesha. -- Len/ Kalipadma ______________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 There is no Hindu "God/dess of Evil." All Deities have both positive and negative aspects. Good that you changed this a-hole's plans for tattoos. I had a friend who was a Kali bhakta, and (for a while) a priest of the Sivananda Order. When he tragically died young, his wife (!) held a Pagan memorial, where some Pagans denigrated Kali for taking the Bhakta from us. I stepped up, and said, "Don't attack Ma Kali -- Peter loved her as much as any other Deity." -- Len/ Kalipadma On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:01:23 EST swastik108 writes: > > In a message dated 11/18/2004 9:11:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, > angelusmortiis writes: > I get frustrated when some Wiccans (I say some, not all) or any > Pagan for > that matter will automatically stick a picture of Kali on their > altar and > start worshipping her just because they consider her a "dark > goddess." Them > doing that and playing on the general Western view of her just > proves to me > that they did not put any effort in studying her, how her devotees > in the > East view her, and the basic philosophy of the Sanatana Dharma. I > will be > damned if I fall in that same trap. > > Blessings, > Anya > Right you are! > > I had a female aquaintance tell me she wanted to have good and evil > contrasting tattoos. She then went on to say that she was thinking > of having the Virgin > Mary on one arm and Kali (she pronounced like cali) on the other. I > then went > on to explain that they are basically the same thing for most people > even > though they may seem different they are both very much benevolent > Mother dieties > once you understand. It all seemed to confuse her so much that she > changed the > plan altogether, hahaha > > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > --------------------~--> > $9.95 domain names from . Register anything. > http://us.click./J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM > --~-> > > > > Links > > > > > > > > ______________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 93 , "jessica_malone1000" <jessica_malone1000> wrote: > No, the dieties represent different aspects. Just like the govt has different depts, like a home dept and a defense dept and an agricultural dept, the dieties in some limited sense represent various depts. Unless Supreme God is not worshipped all worship turn into a black magic (abhichAra). So, it matters whether one worships GOD calling Him/Her Krishna, Kali or Allah or he worships "separate beings" in order to have some gain from them. If one being Kali-bhakta does Lalitopasana he sees Lalita as SAME Parashakti, Kali. Deities indeed represent different aspects, but worshipped is That God, whose aspects they represent. Then, names and particular practices depen upon tradition and guru. > For lot of tantrics into yoga and vamamarga worship skanda. Who said that - regarding vamachara practicioners? MOST of them do not worship Skanda . U won't find many references to him in Tantras either. There is one tantric text of Skanda, "Shanmukha-kalpa", which is rather "dark" occult than spiritual. AFAIK there is no tantric lineage connected to Skanda (but i may be wrong also). "ekaM sad, viprA bahudhA vadanti"... A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Ahh, frankly I bow to Mahalakshmi and she is my guide. Of deities she is surely the best. She is the Goddess of Light, and in Sri Vidya she has a special role as guide and light bringer. She led me to Guru Rinpoche, and Dzogchen. Of course the Lotus Goddess loves the Lotus Born. Religious jealousy is not a trait of the gods, except for that Jehovah one. Or so Moses told me. The Gods don't find one. One is a stream of awareness like night, full of deities. One's own soul is a mirror of the macrocosm, and all of the Gods and eternity stare through one. No to mention the genetic imperative of fifteen billion years of evolution. Now when are we all gonna get serious and start the great work? Life is mirrorly awareness, constantly rediscovering its nature as indescribable. It's true that many people are awakening to this knowledge of not just knowing the gods, but knowing that one is a web of lights and deities and that that vast nature is the very person sitting and typing these monologues and diatribes. - Lili Masamura Thursday, November 18, 2004 7:52 PM Bhaktas worshipping more than one? I imagine I am not the only one who has noticed this..but for my part the Gods approached ME, not I Them... and many Western people have told me about being "followed" by Hindu Deities; appearing in their dreams, constantly popping up all over, etc. Sometimes there may be only one, sometimes several! But Shiva is kind of a "default setting" (can't go wrong with Shiva Puja! Even Krishna worships Shiva!), as is Ganesh. In the absence of a guru,if I didn't know which one would be good I would worship Ganesha and ask Him to direct me. Lilith M. --- Anya Mortiis <angelusmortiis a écrit : > > Hopefully this is not too silly of a question, > but... > > > Let's say you were...for instance, a Shiva bhakta. > Would it be considered > breaking away from the "bhakta" aspect of your path > if you decided to > worship other deities every now and then? I > wondered about that, since I am > fairly novice in the Sanatana Dharma. > > > Just food for thought...maybe I am too analytical > for my own good. The > question came to my head when discussing Bhakti Yoga > with someone. > > > Blessings, > Anya > > > Vous manquez d'espace pour stocker vos mails ? Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Mail sur http://fr.benefits./ Le nouveau Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger. / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Dance is one of the best ways to express the exuberance and joy of creation itself and this expression of peace also radiates to the enviroment. Hence the sun dances and other such things. - "Anya Mortiis" <angelusmortiis <> Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:08 PM Re: Re: Bhaktas worshipping more than one? > > It is interesting that you mention dancing, since I actually bellydance > now. > I practice for at least an hour (or more) for most of the days of the > week. I found it not only stress-relieving, but a spiritual experience. > > Also of recent months, I have been -trying- to follow my intuition. It > has > not been easy since I am so used to using my mind for everything, my > intuition for nothing. Perhaps that is one of the lessons I need to learn > in this life time - to balance out my mind and intuition. I am making > progress though. > > Blessings, > Anya > >>Lili Masamura <sephirah5 >> >> >>Re: Re: Bhaktas worshipping more than one? >>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:04:04 -0800 (PST) >> >>Yes. I started getting better results when I realized >>I was using techniques designed for men, and changed >>accordingly. Women are better served with more active, >>dynamic meditations, like dancing. We are striving for >>balance, here; men mostly need to slow down, and women >>need to speed up, as a rule of thumb. I was also >>better served when I relied on my own intuition, and >>"figured it out" for myself. We already "submit" >>enough as women, now we need to take a more leading >>role and work on developing our dynamic wills. This >>is not done by bowing and scraping to yet ANOTHER >>overlord! >> Lilith M. >> --- jessica_malone1000 <jessica_malone1000 >>a écrit : >> > >> > >> > - >> > > >> > > The Shakta takes the Tantric view that the human >> > body and human >> > > experience is a microcosm of the Cosmos. > >> > Does anyone observe differences between male >> > ascetics and female >> > ascetics?. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Vous manquez d'espace pour stocker vos mails ? >> Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! >>Créez votre Mail sur http://fr.benefits./ >> >>Le nouveau Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés >>pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement >>sur >>http://fr.messenger. Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 >Right you are chap! There is a lot of misunderstanding here and it is a bit >of a problem. A lot of people still know of Kali through crappy films like >Indiana Jones -Temple of Doom and it is all total fiction. > *laughs* Do not get me wrong, I love Indiana Jones, but it is not an accurate source of information. There is still some beauty in the film, and the Cult of Thugee was real, BUT...big BUT...they do not represent all the Kali devotees as a whole, and therefore, Hollywood dropped the ball. On top of that, I will admit that they twisted things a tad for the sake of making a flick, which is normal. I have nothing against Hollywood. They do have a reputation of "twisting" things (the Craft is yet another example), but as long as people are aware that they are not an accurate source of information, it is all good. Unfortunately, much of the Western culture's attention span only goes as far as the media. Blessings, Anya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Well, if you understand that Ganesha is the Son, and Devi is the Mother, well, why would you need to call on the Son to help you when the Mother is already present? The Son leads to the Mother who will then show you the Father, if you so desire. The good thing about Ganesha is that He helps you get to where you want to be, and He is always accessible, instantly, to point the way. You will note that Ganesha is seated on or always accompanied by a rat. Rats and mice have an astounding ability to squeeze in almost anywhere, and they can gnaw away at things for hours to gain access. They are intelligent, persistent, resourceful, and adaptable..that is why they can be such a scourge! (Just like humans!) They can always find a way through eventually, hence the association with the Deity of obstacles and their removal. The contrast of the two images also serves to introduce the idea of paradox, which one must become accustomed to in the subtler realms, where all ideas and concepts are reconciled..the image of Ganesh helps develop flexibility of mind, like that of a child, free of preconceived notions. Lilith M. --- swastik108 a écrit : > In a message dated 11/18/2004 3:15:22 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > devi_bhakta writes: > You added, "do Sakta's worship ganesha?" > > We most certainly do. In Srividya, it is integral. > > DB > I also do. He was the one I started with for the > same reasons previously > mentioned. Ganesha is a super friendly deity no > doubt about that! otherwise how > could so many love him? > > Now, I do have to add that in West Bengal where Kali > worship is umm pretty > prevalent I did not see such a high regard for > Ganesh. No disrespect, but he > just did not seem as generally important. > > I mostly saw him in every shop keepers altar along > with Lakshmi to help in > the business transactions and such. There are > swastikas at Dakshinishwar and > that is his sign, but I saw no effigies there, same > with Tarapith and Kalighat. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Vous manquez d’espace pour stocker vos mails ? Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Mail sur http://fr.benefits./ Le nouveau Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Ohhhh.....I want to visit that temple SO MUCH...I read an article on it in Hinduism Today...isn't that the one that was shipped over from India like a jigsaw puzzle and polished and assembled here in North America? I hope Ganesha arranges for me to visit it someday! Yes, I understand perfectly about feeling like you have "come home!" Lilith M. --- kalipadma a écrit : > > > On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:52:04 -0800 (PST) Lili > Masamura > <sephirah5 writes: > > > > I imagine I am not the only one who has noticed > > this..but for my part the Gods approached ME, not > I > > Them... and many Western people have told me about > > being "followed" by Hindu Deities; appearing in > their > > dreams, constantly popping up all over, etc. > > Me, too! I'm an avid reader of World Myths, but the > Hindu deities always > stood out to me. When I moved to Flushing, NY, a > friend phoned and said, > "There's an article in the newspaper about a Hindu > temple in your > neighborhood." I walked over to the temple, stepped > over to the mandapan > of Ganesha, and lost consciousness! About 20 > minutes later (still > standing!) I re-entered my body. Tears were > streaming down my face, and > I was suffused with the feeling of having "come > home." > > > Sometimes > > there may be only one, sometimes several! But > Shiva is > > kind of a "default setting" (can't go wrong with > Shiva > > Puja! Even Krishna worships Shiva!), > > Shiva, of course, returns the favor and worships > Krishna. > > > as is Ganesh. In > > the absence of a guru,if I didn't know which one > would > > be good I would worship Ganesha and ask Him to > direct > > me. > > Virtually every Hindu, regardless of their personal > chosen Deity, also > worships Ganesha. Ganesha opens the way to all the > other deities. He > gets along with almost everyone -- the one exception > I know of is that > Tulsi (the Goddess of Basil-plants) and Ganesh > disagree. > > I find Ganesha even works well in other, non-Hindu > contexts. I know > Jews, Moslems, Wiccans, and Norse Pagans who worship > Ganesha. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > > > ______________ > Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. > Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! > Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. > Vous manquez d’espace pour stocker vos mails ? Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Mail sur http://fr.benefits./ Le nouveau Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Ganesha as Ganapati is the intellect and the scribe of the deities - something like the rational mind. It is invoked at the start and then transcended. Many comparisons are being made that the Gods have some correllary in the brain or body. Maharishi's Raam King dude has imagined all sorts of correspondences, which is why Maharishi gave him his weight in gold. Ganapati is considered the brain stem, and ideally it contains all the territorial and fight/flight responses. Thus lord of Ganas or ghouls is about overcoming the lower tendencies and neurosis prior to admittance to the chamber of the beloved Devi. More correspondences are obvious with the trunk and big floppy ears being like the internal genitalia and labia respectively, and Ganesha as guardian of Parvati speaks to this rendering of iconography. There's so much more as there are something like 28 forms of Ganesha. - Lili Masamura Friday, November 19, 2004 11:22 AM Re: Bhaktas worshipping more than one? Ohhhh.....I want to visit that temple SO MUCH...I read an article on it in Hinduism Today...isn't that the one that was shipped over from India like a jigsaw puzzle and polished and assembled here in North America? I hope Ganesha arranges for me to visit it someday! Yes, I understand perfectly about feeling like you have "come home!" Lilith M. --- kalipadma a écrit : > > > On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:52:04 -0800 (PST) Lili > Masamura > <sephirah5 writes: > > > > I imagine I am not the only one who has noticed > > this..but for my part the Gods approached ME, not > I > > Them... and many Western people have told me about > > being "followed" by Hindu Deities; appearing in > their > > dreams, constantly popping up all over, etc. > > Me, too! I'm an avid reader of World Myths, but the > Hindu deities always > stood out to me. When I moved to Flushing, NY, a > friend phoned and said, > "There's an article in the newspaper about a Hindu > temple in your > neighborhood." I walked over to the temple, stepped > over to the mandapan > of Ganesha, and lost consciousness! About 20 > minutes later (still > standing!) I re-entered my body. Tears were > streaming down my face, and > I was suffused with the feeling of having "come > home." > > > Sometimes > > there may be only one, sometimes several! But > Shiva is > > kind of a "default setting" (can't go wrong with > Shiva > > Puja! Even Krishna worships Shiva!), > > Shiva, of course, returns the favor and worships > Krishna. > > > as is Ganesh. In > > the absence of a guru,if I didn't know which one > would > > be good I would worship Ganesha and ask Him to > direct > > me. > > Virtually every Hindu, regardless of their personal > chosen Deity, also > worships Ganesha. Ganesha opens the way to all the > other deities. He > gets along with almost everyone -- the one exception > I know of is that > Tulsi (the Goddess of Basil-plants) and Ganesh > disagree. > > I find Ganesha even works well in other, non-Hindu > contexts. I know > Jews, Moslems, Wiccans, and Norse Pagans who worship > Ganesha. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > > > ______________ > Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. > Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! > Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. > Vous manquez d'espace pour stocker vos mails ? Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Mail sur http://fr.benefits./ Le nouveau Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger. / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 I am sorry "cult Thugee" was in the fertile imagination of a british officer. It was all a lie intended to enhance his reputation and in the process he killed many innocent Indian villagers. This is admitted now. I read about it sometime back. Anya Mortiis <angelusmortiis wrote: >Right you are chap! There is a lot of misunderstanding here and it is a bit >of a problem. A lot of people still know of Kali through crappy films like >Indiana Jones -Temple of Doom and it is all total fiction. > *laughs* Do not get me wrong, I love Indiana Jones, but it is not an accurate source of information. There is still some beauty in the film, and the Cult of Thugee was real, BUT...big BUT...they do not represent all the Kali devotees as a whole, and therefore, Hollywood dropped the ball. On top of that, I will admit that they twisted things a tad for the sake of making a flick, which is normal. I have nothing against Hollywood. They do have a reputation of "twisting" things (the Craft is yet another example), but as long as people are aware that they are not an accurate source of information, it is all good. Unfortunately, much of the Western culture's attention span only goes as far as the media. Blessings, / The all-new My – Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 That is interesting. I need to look that up, then. If it is the case, though, I offer my apologies for my ignorance. Blessings, >sankara menon <kochu1tz > > >Re: Bhaktas worshipping more than one? >Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:58:36 -0800 (PST) > > >I am sorry "cult Thugee" was in the fertile imagination of a british >officer. It was all a lie intended to enhance his reputation and in the >process he killed many innocent Indian villagers. This is admitted now. >I read about it sometime back. > > >Anya Mortiis <angelusmortiis wrote: > > >Right you are chap! There is a lot of misunderstanding here and it is a >bit > >of a problem. A lot of people still know of Kali through crappy films >like > >Indiana Jones -Temple of Doom and it is all total fiction. > > > >*laughs* Do not get me wrong, I love Indiana Jones, but it is not an >accurate source of information. There is still some beauty in the film, >and >the Cult of Thugee was real, BUT...big BUT...they do not represent all the >Kali devotees as a whole, and therefore, Hollywood dropped the ball. On >top >of that, I will admit that they twisted things a tad for the sake of making >a flick, which is normal. > >I have nothing against Hollywood. They do have a reputation of "twisting" >things (the Craft is yet another example), but as long as people are aware >that they are not an accurate source of information, it is all good. >Unfortunately, much of the Western culture's attention span only goes as >far >as the media. > >Blessings, >Anya > > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > >/ > > > > > > > > > > > The all-new My – Get yours free! > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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