TANTRIC ORIGINS OF MOTHER WORSHIP

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, kalipadma@j... wrote:

> > Yes, Tantra is iconoclastic and requires no names,

> > forms, rituals, mantras, yantras, icons or temples - only a man

and woman in love with each other and with True Dharma.

 

This is true in the case of total Love which is rather rare one. In

this case tantric way will be sahaja-mArga, which has no need for any

kind of practice.

Otherwise, for most of us at least some external methods are needed.

In tantric tradition - which incorporates "names, forms, rituals,

mantras, yantras, icons and temples" - usually guru decides what

method is to be taken by a disciple.

> I would argue that Tantra is feasible by a single, unattached person

as well.

 

In this case some practice can be done and it may bring a person to

certain level. But to go further it is NECESSARY to go with the

partner - at least this is the view of Kula.

BTW tantric way is NEVER of a single person - there must be either two

or a group, kula-chakra (led by a kula-guru).

>If you don't happen to have your "soul mate" at this time, much of

your Tantric energies can be channeled towards a "manasik" (mind-born)

partner (or the Deity of your choice).

 

I assume that it is impossible to have "mind-born partner" unless U

are God incarnated ). What is born out of mind is crap in most

cases.

If U meant subtle beings like dakinis/yoginis and bhairavas/siddhas

then yes, one can have such being as a partner. But that is extremely

difficult and has to be done only under the guidance of kula-guru.

> Indeed, I would argue that Tantra is possible between two lovers of

the same sex. Each of us contains both male and female aspects, and I

> encourage the visualizarion of the God and the Goddess together,

making love in your Heart chakra.

 

This view MAY have some base, but at least neither traditional nor

scriptural. Personally i would rather say that it is not possible at

all.

Real tradition of Tantra (both hindu and buddhist) doesn't entertain

any kind of homosexual relationships as spiritual practice.

> I have also argued that Goddess worship has other inspirations

beyond the explicitly sexual.

 

Sexual is the essential one. All other rasas ("tastes" of

relationships) are just veiled erotic rasa .

 

Love is the law, love under will.

 

A.

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> > I have also argued that Goddess worship has other inspirations

> beyond the explicitly sexual.

>

--- "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote

> Sexual is the essential one. All other rasas ("tastes" of

> relationships) are just veiled erotic rasa .

>

> Love is the law, love under will.

>

> A.

 

How interesting, to stumble into a quote of Alistaire Crowley, the

Western occultist, hedonist, racist and misogynist, on this list.

 

Specifically quoted is the Law of Thelema: "Do what thou Wilt shall

be the whole of the Law. Love is the Law. Love under Will."

 

For biographies of this person, see

http://www.popsubculture.com/pop/bio_project/aleister_crowley.html

On his racism http://www.luckymojo.com/faqs/crowleyracistfaq.html

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No one who is as massively self-centered, ego-driven, even

megalomaniac, as this man was, can be considered an adept. Siddhas are

not the ultimate measure of realization! He was gifted, no doubt, but

created disorder and misfortune wherever he went. By their fruits ye

shall know them...

 

Max

> Alistaire Crowley, the Western occultist, hedonist, racist and

> misogynist