Civility Again [Was Shakti and Skanda - to Jessica (and DB)]

[Guest guest]

Dear OmPrem:

 

*** I disagree. ***

 

I do not doubt that, my friend. ;-)

 

*** It is a matter of fact or it is not. ***

 

Actually, all of the assertions in question are matters of highly

subjective and personal belief and interpretation. As always, the

diversity of opinion is welcome. However (and also as always),

civility and mutual respect is requested when expressing one's

opinions. As you know, many choose to ignore that request. That is

their privilege. But it is my privilege to keep requesting.

 

*** Just because some of the kaulas here don't like being informed of

the deficiencies and inconsistencies of that practice doesn't mean

that others don't appreciate the information. ***

 

You have here a group that is moderated by three persons who are

fully initiated into two separate South Indian Kaula Srividya

lineages of the greatest antiquity (and one who is Kaula by

inclination, but not initiated). Thus there is a ton of valid Kaula-

related information made available here and on the group's homepage.

 

However, loads of other views and approaches are also freely

expressed, as any attentive member will quickly notice. In fact, I

can think of no other discussion board on the Web in which Kaulas are

so thoroughly and frequently attacked and slandered. (Show me another

Hinduism group -- let alone a Christian or muslim group, god help us -

- that so regularly lets those of other spiritual persuations tell

them they are full of shit. We are bloody masochists here, for crying

out loud! :-p)

 

Since actual Kaula practice is overwhelmingly a secret and oral

tradition anyway, there is no way that a non-initiate -- however well

read -- could ever know (let along intelligently discuss or "inform

Kaulas about") "the deficiencies and inconsistencies of that

practice."

 

Of course, that doesn't stop them from doing it. ;-) And as noted

above, we let 'em. Their views sit proudly here for anyone who feels

like reading them. That seems more than reasonable to me. But I do

think it's a bit much to also suggest that the Kaulas in the group

are being sore sports when they venture to disagree. That would be a

bit ridiculous, eh?

 

Aum MAtangyai NamaH

[Guest guest]

Well, one could say that you aren't exactly a

shining star of anything except the ability to parrot

texts, which any lame-o can do, brain cells or no

brain cells. I haven't seen one speck of anything

resembling original thought posted by you at any time.

You are quite happy, obviously, with your narrow

little outlook that conforms to what you have been

indoctrinated in, and which, of course, wins you the

approbation of those who are content with the surface

appearances of "holiness", "purity" and "wisdom". At

least Arjuna has obviously done some thinking "outside

the box". What's the use of intact brain cells if they

are not being put to work?

Lilith M.

--- omprem <omprem wrote:

>

> I disagree. Jessice is offering opinion not

> necessarily

> judgement. She says, " Kaulas are ... not people

> who practice

> what the modern tantrics have written about

> Kaulachara." What

> is objectionable about that? It is a matter of fact

> or it is not. Do

> they or don't they? If she is correct, then her

> other statement, "i

> believe Kaula view itself is distorted." is also

> true.

>

> Her statement, "these kind of arguments are the

> product of

> someone who does not have the willpower to even

> undergo the

> simplest of spiritual disciplines." is also true.

>

> Just because some of the kaulas here don't like

> being informed

> of the deficiencies and inconsistencies of that

> practice doesn't

> mean that others don't appreciate the information.

> One or two

> vocal kaulas doesn't amount to anything, except

> perhaps to

> demonstrate the inadvisability of destroying brain

> cells.

>

> Omprem

>

>

>

> , "Devi Bhakta"

>

> <devi_bhakta> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jessica:

> >

> > People who care passionately about their beliefs

> can

> sometimes

> > inadvertently and ill-advisedly insult the beliefs

> of others who

> do

> > not agree with them. I see that some here have

> approached

> you in this

> > manner (I can ask people over and over to "be

> nice" -- but they

> are

> > free to ignore me, and often do) -- but please

> understand: You

> need

> > not respond in kind, unless you want to.

> >

> > However distorted and ill-disciplined and

> incorrect you may

> consider

> > the Kaula path to be (as one of those benighted

> souls myself,

> it is

> > hardly my place to offer a rebuttal), please do

> not judge it. Do

> not

> > take the view that "my view is right, and yours is

> wrong"; or

> > even "mine is better than yours." What is the

> point?

> >

> > All rivers lead to the sea, eh? Let us each

> celebrate our path

> > without bringing down others' belief systems in

> the process.

> We can

> > all be proud of our paths and convinced of our

> wisdom without

> having

> > to try an make others feel like something the cat

> dragged in.

> You

> > too, Arjuna, hokay?

> >

> > Aum MAtangyai NamaH

> >

> > --- jessica_malone1000 wrote:

> >

> > *** i believe Kaula view itself is distorted. ***

> >

> > *** these kind of arguments are the product of

> someone who

> does not

> > have the willpower to even undergo the simplest of

> spiritual

> > disciplines. ***

> >

> > *** Kaulas are ... not people who practice what

> the modern

> tantrics

> > have written about Kaulachara. ***

>

>

>

>