Civility & Basic Courtesy

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Om Nora

 

You are forgetting that this thread started with Jessica's

comments:

 

*** Kaulas are ... not people who practice what the modern

tantrics have written about Kaulachara. ***

 

*** i believe Kaula view itself is distorted. ***

 

*** these kind of arguments are the product of someone who

does not have the willpower to even undergo the simplest of

spiritual disciplines. ***

 

 

There is nothing insulting or uncivil about those comments. They

are statements of her opinion.

 

I notice that many Kaulas and pseudo-Kaulas jumped into the

thread to condemn the remarks and Jessica and those who

support that view but none of those Kaulas bothered to deal with

her first assertion the Kaulas do not practice 'what modern

tantrics have written about Kaulachara'. Perhaps if a little more

energy had been directed to discussion and less toward

dismissal and denigration, then the atmosphere would be better

for all.

 

In other words, in this case, it is the Kaulas and pseudo-Kaulas

themselves who initiated and maintained a poisonous and

unproductive atmosphere.

 

The strength of the Kaula negative reaction and its lack of

substance seems to provide proof of the validity of Jessica's

statements.

 

Omprem

 

 

 

, "N. Madasamy"

<nmadasamy@s...> wrote:

>

> "Does the concept of 'pride' not also apply to those who fiercely

> protect and justify their spiritual practices against those who

> disagree with those practices?"

>

> You can take pride in your belief , you can fiercely protect

whatever

> you believe in but not at the expense of another. That is not

pride

> but that is arrogance!

>

> "How about 'pride' being contained in a laisse z-faire,

> above-it-all attitude of non engagement in a group devoted to

> discussion when faced with opinions contrary to one's own?

The

> attitude of 'forgive them for they know not what they do' is not

> productive."

>

> To me it does Ompremji. I do forgive people who just talk and

talk,

> and full of words but lack action. I learnt to forgive them

because I

> believe perhaps as you say many times its just their karma.

Action

> Ompremji speaks better than words.

>

> "Your wise man is forgetting that he was invited into the house

> in order to discuss spiritual issues and practices. If he is only

> going to talk about the weather, he is insulting his host."

>

> Even if you choose to participate in discussion that is what we

call

> some civility or I would say Basic Courtesy. If you are invited in

a

> person's house, at least show some courtesy. Perhaps it is

absent

> in certain culture that you may come from, for they believe it is

> their right to say and do anything they like after all as you may

say

> : I am invited here.

>

> My old man ompremji have taught me the value of respecting

other

> person's sensitivity and self worth. This attitude of wanting to

> prove of how wrong and distorted others are is this what

spiritualism

> have made us to be?

>

> If I invited somebody to my home and expect to have a fierce

> discussion but the person choose not to, why should I feel

insulted.

> I go with the flow and perhaps talking about the weather is

what I

> should do, after all I am the one who invite this person. I would

not

> feel upset with my guest nor I feel dissappointed for I have

learnt

> to accept people as they are. The correct term I would say is

being

> holistic towards another. I am being taught too that a person

who

> gets insulted so easily is a weakeling. To feel hurt is like

pricking

> yourself with a needle and thereafter blame others for it. So

why

> should I be such a fool!

>

> So as far as I am concern, yes! we invite you here, we tolerate

your

> insensitivity, and I forgive them for it, "for they know not what

> they do" because they are so caught up in their own illusion.