Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 How does a born loser who can't even get any girl to be his girl friend for the past several decades get someone to be his female guru so that he can be initiated and learn how to chant mantras, activate yantras and worship goddesses such as Maa Devi, Sri Maha Lakshmi, Goddess Durga or Goddess Kali properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Namaste, Why do you particularly seek a female Guru? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 sarabhanga wrote: Why do you particularly seek a female Guru? In tantra especially Shakta Tantrism, it is said that having a female Guru is eight times more fortunate than having a male Guru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 In a message dated 12/14/2004 12:23:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, cave writes: How does a born loser who can't even get any girl to be his girl friend for the past several decades get someone to be his female guru so that he can be initiated and learn how to chant mantras, activate yantras and worship goddesses such as Maa Devi, Sri Maha Lakshmi, Goddess Durga or Goddess Kali properly? I would have to suggest that by not considering oneself "a born loser" many more doors will open for you. It has been my experience that when I cannot manage my life in this physical world properly, my spiritual life also suffers. I have also noticed that in stages of depression the doors always close rather than open. Take care of your issues in the here and now first, then move on to spirituality. The Guru should come to you when the time is ready. Why do you require only a female Guru???? If you have issues with women then perhaps this would only make matters worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 What is 'Namaste'? Because she is a woman. , "Sarabhanga Giri" <sarabhanga> wrote: > > Namaste, > > Why do you particularly seek a female Guru? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Namaste, Since Valampuriowner does not understand "Namaste", it seems unlikely that his reason for seeking a female Guru is quite so esoteric as the one you have suggested! Indeed, he has indicated that his prime reason for wanting a female Guru is because he wants a woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I assume that this post is a joke. But just in case it is not, why do you think that an authentic Guru would step forward and reveal themselves to you when you put demands on what type of Guru you want. Be less choosy regarding the externals of the Guru, show more desire for spiritual liberation, demonstrate more control over yourself, and when you are ready for more intensive sadhana the appropriate Guru will accept you. Omprem , "valampuriowner" <cave@3...> wrote: > > > How does a born loser who can't even get any girl to be his girl > friend for the past several decades get someone to be his female > guru so that he can be initiated and learn how to chant mantras, > activate yantras and worship goddesses such as Maa Devi, Sri Maha > Lakshmi, Goddess Durga or Goddess Kali properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Namaste everyone- My name is Reese and I just joined the group a few days ago. I haven't been able to keep up completely with the e-mails but enough to say to Valampuriowner that, in light of everything that you have spoken about in wanting a female guru, you might want to seriously consider a male. I don't like to give advice and this has nothing at all to do with female vs.male gurus. However, if you are already attached to an idea of what you are looking for (not including the tradition)in a guru in terms of male or female, it's sometimes better(spiritually speaking) to go in another direction. Basically, going with the uncomfortable will force you to look at why it is uncomfortable. Just wanted to say that I have really enjoyed the conversations going back and forth. I'm going through initiation(I live in the U.S.) and so am new and still have MUCH to learn about the tradition. I can't keep up as much as I'd like to with work,etc. but I will join in when I can. There is a lot of terminology that I'm not familiar with(as my native language is English) so please bare with me if I ask what certain words mean-I don't mean it out of any kind of disrespect. Most important for me is to feel a connection with all of you who also love Her as I do, in whatever form that is. Thank you for listening and many blessings to you all~Reese:) Jai Maa!!! >"Sarabhanga Giri" <sarabhanga> > > > Re: Search for female guru >Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:05:24 -0000 > > >Namaste, >Since Valampuriowner does not understand "Namaste", it seems unlikely >that his reason for seeking a female Guru is quite so esoteric as the >one you have suggested! >Indeed, he has indicated that his prime reason for wanting a female >Guru is because he wants a woman. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 It was my mistaken notion that it is better for a male to be initiated by a female guru. Hope it did not cause you offense. If I did, I am sorry. Please accept my apology. , "Sarabhanga Giri" <sarabhanga> wrote: > > Namaste, > Since Valampuriowner does not understand "Namaste", it seems unlikely > that his reason for seeking a female Guru is quite so esoteric as the > one you have suggested! > Indeed, he has indicated that his prime reason for wanting a female > Guru is because he wants a woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Thank you, Brother, for your helpful comment. Yes, that is true that was a reason, but now I have to reconsider the possibility that interposing another human (a guru, whether male or female) with its own set of possibily ulterior motives and imperfect values between The Goddess and myself may not be a good thing after all. Oh, well, back to the Cave, then. But first, I'll get a nice set of 108 30 mm. Rudraksha beads while I'm down on the Plains. , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...> wrote: > > In tantra especially Shakta Tantrism, it is said that having a > female Guru is eight times more fortunate than having a male Guru. > : > sarabhanga wrote: > > > Why do you particularly seek a female Guru? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Namas te Valampuriowner, There are factors pro and con both male and female Gurus, but the important thing is Guru, itself. It is best not to try too hard to get anyone else to be something for you. If it is right, then it will happen. I apologize if my comments were offensive to you! But your response to my question was not helpful, and your two posts were all I had to go by. A connexion with some authentic Guru is vitally important in Hinduism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 valampuriowner wrote: Thank you, Brother, for your helpful comment. Yes, that is true that was a reason, but now I have to reconsider the possibility that interposing another human (a guru, whether male or female) with its own set of possibily ulterior motives and imperfect values between. The Goddess and myself may not be a good thing after all. Oh, well, back to the Cave, then. But first, I'll get a nice set of 108 30 mm. Rudraksha beads while I'm down on the Plains. yes! dear brother,instead of going around asking for a guru, better to stay in the "cave" and ask DEVI herself for guidance. She will send what is appropriate for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 "but now I have to reconsider the possibility that interposing another human (a guru, whether male or female) with its own set of possibily ulterior motives and imperfect values between The Goddess and myself may not be a good thing after all." You are judging Guru by human standards. There is no interposition between Guru and God/Goddess. An authentic Guru is God/Goddess manifesting in human form. There are two types of Gurus: the Siksha Guru will teach the knowledge of the worldly arts but only the Diksha Guru leads to Moksha. One can have many Shiksha Gurus but only one Diksha Guru. You are correct in thinking that you need a Guru. To quote Swami Sivananda, "A neophyte must have a personal Guru first. He cannot have God as Guru to begin with. He must have a pure mind. He must have ethical perfection. He must be intensely virtuous. He must be above body-consciousness. Then alone can he have God as Guru." You also correct that there are many unscrupulous poseurs acting as Guru in order to acquire your money and obedience. But as you work on yourself and develop Vairagya and Viveka you will come to see these frauds for what they are. Therefore, perfect yourself first. Then you will attract an authentic Guru and be able to discern the mischievious frauds. Until you find an authentic Guru, content yourself with reading and pondering the teachings of the Self-realized saints and sages. Omprem , "valampuriowner" <cave@3...> wrote: > > Thank you, Brother, for your helpful comment. Yes, that is true > that was a reason, but now I have to reconsider the possibility that > interposing another human (a guru, whether male or female) with its > own set of possibily ulterior motives and imperfect values between > The Goddess and myself may not be a good thing after all. Oh, well, > back to the Cave, then. But first, I'll get a nice set of 108 30 > mm. Rudraksha beads while I'm down on the Plains. > > , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...> > wrote: > > > > In tantra especially Shakta Tantrism, it is said that having a > > female Guru is eight times more fortunate than having a male Guru. > > : > > sarabhanga wrote: > > > > > Why do you particularly seek a female Guru? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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