Planets and Devatas

[Guest guest]

Never saw a Jyotish source that identified Jupiter with Vishnu.

 

I understand that these are the correspondences between the astrological planets

and the Devas:

 

Sun -- Ganesha, Rama

 

Moon -- Shiva, Ganga

 

Mars -- Skanda, Hanuman

 

Mercury -- Vishnu

 

Jupiter -- Saraswati, Brahma

 

Venus -- Lakshmi, Durga

 

Saturn -- Krishna, Kali

 

Rahu -- Durga Mahishamardini

 

Ketu -- Rudra, Bhairava

 

But I know there is often disagreement. What set of correspondences were you

taught?

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

 

childofdevi <childofdevi wrote:

Kochu-ji,

 

Thanks very much for this info. I am aware that 5th and 9th are the

ones GENERALLY used to find istadevata. But in some cases, some

people say that the deity of the strongest planet is the ista even

when it is not in the 5th or the 9th. Also when the 5 and 9th lords

are debilitated and if there drishti of an exalted planet(eg Jupiter)

into the 5/9th, in this case the deity representing Jupiter i.e.

Vishnu is the Ista - is this correct?

 

There is also some differences as to what planet represents what

deity. Eg - generally in the South, Subramanya is the deity of Mars;

this makes sense, Subramanya is the general of the gods and his

warlike nature is similar to that of Mars; however in the Hora sastra

we find that Visnu is the ruler of Mars(not 100% sure of this though).

 

What are the indications of a Devi/Srividya upasak??

 

-yogaman

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> mantraamaatyaputrathanoojaaH panchamenaiva vichintayet;

poorvapunyam, bhaagyam upasana, guru etc are read from the 9th house.

>

> Meaning mantra = u know; amaathya= those who advice (here the

deshika gurus come) putra= children;

> poorvapuNyam= past merits; upasana bhagyam = luck

>

> sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote:

> The 5th and 9th houses and their lords determine who the "ishta

Devata" is. 9th is used as ascendant to see what the past was. and

the ninth from 9th is used to see what devata the person did upasana

of in the past lives.

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Len,

 

Re: "Never saw a Jyotish source that identified Jupiter with Vishnu."

 

Perhaps not specifically in Jyotish textbooks, but there is a strong

natural identification of Vishnu and Guru!

[Guest guest]

"there is a strong natural identification of Vishnu and Guru!"

 

Only to a vaishnava.

 

The above statement on natural identification is an example of

the logical fallacy known as 'circulus in demonstrando' or

'circular argument' where the premise and the conclusion are

identical.

 

Omprem

 

 

 

, "Sarabhanga Giri"

<sarabhanga> wrote:

>

> Namaste Len,

>

> Re: "Never saw a Jyotish source that identified Jupiter with

Vishnu."

>

> Perhaps not specifically in Jyotish textbooks, but there is a

strong

> natural identification of Vishnu and Guru!

[Guest guest]

Len:

 

This is generally followed in Kerala at least(I think I was mistaken

about the Hora ascribing Vishnu to Mars, I belive it was Indra or

something); when Jupiter is debilitated, one is asked to chant Vishnu

Sahasranama. According to Parasara, many of the correspondences are

different from what you gave below. There seem to be divergence of

opinion on deities of planets.

 

Under whom are you learning Jyothish?

 

-yogaman

 

 

 

, Len Rosenberg

<kalipadma108> wrote:

>

> Never saw a Jyotish source that identified Jupiter with Vishnu.

>

> I understand that these are the correspondences between the

astrological planets and the Devas:

>

> Sun -- Ganesha, Rama

>

> Moon -- Shiva, Ganga

>

> Mars -- Skanda, Hanuman

>

> Mercury -- Vishnu

>

> Jupiter -- Saraswati, Brahma

>

> Venus -- Lakshmi, Durga

>

> Saturn -- Krishna, Kali

>

> Rahu -- Durga Mahishamardini

>

> Ketu -- Rudra, Bhairava

>

> But I know there is often disagreement. What set of

correspondences were you taught?

>

> -- Len/ Kalipadma

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Omprem,

 

Vishnu is the Avatara ~ divine Actuality manifest in the world.

So too, the Guru is divine Actuality ~ the prime manifestation of the

celestial Teacher.

 

The twin premise, that V = A and that G = A, leads directly to the

logical conclusion that V = G.

How can this argument be "circular"?

 

Vishnu is the principal Guru; and Vishnu is the Guru Principle.

 

The ultimate Guru for Shaivas is, of course, the Mahadeva; although

none would deny the importance of our own worldly Guru, who is

certainly (in the eyes of a true devotee) a manifestation of Lord

Narayana.

 

Sri Shankaracarya's Dasanamis are perhaps the most orthodox of all

the Shaiva Sampradayas; and yet EVERY Dasanami Sannyasin refers to

every other Dasanami Sannyasin as Narayana!

 

And Yogaman has noted that Vishnu Sahasranama is recommended when

Guru is debilitated.

 

There surely is a strong natural identification of Vishnu and Guru.

[Guest guest]

And from a Shakta perspective, the Shakti of Jupiter is well known as

Varahi ~ the consort of Varaha, who is none other than Vishnu.

[Guest guest]

I spent a year studying with Ronnie Gale Dreyer here in New York, until my money

ran out. The correspondences I gave came from a Jyotish book (perhaps by Dr.

L.R. Chawdhri?).

 

I would suggest that your source suggests the Vishnu Sahasranama as a remedy for

Jupiter afflictions, not because Jupiter equates with Vishnu, but because they

are polarities (Vishnu/Mercury signs are opposite Jupiter signs in the Zodiac).

Brahma is the member of the Trimurti that I immediately associate with the role

of Priest and Guru. And the very specific form of Shiva as Dakshinamurti.

 

Can anyone give me an example of Vishnu behaving in the role of Guru? To what

beings? The nearest I can come is Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita, teaching

Arjuna. (But my source gives Krishna to Saturn, separate from Vishnu/Mercury.)

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

 

 

 

childofdevi <childofdevi wrote:

Len:

 

This is generally followed in Kerala at least(I think I was mistaken

about the Hora ascribing Vishnu to Mars, I belive it was Indra or

something); when Jupiter is debilitated, one is asked to chant Vishnu

Sahasranama. According to Parasara, many of the correspondences are

different from what you gave below. There seem to be divergence of

opinion on deities of planets.

 

Under whom are you learning Jyothish?

 

-yogaman

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I find this statement interesting. Everything I've read about Varahi associates

her with Mars. And the famous story about Brihaspati's wife/Shakti gives her

name as Tara.

 

If other list members have different sets of associations between planets and

Devatas, I would love to see them.

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

Sarabhanga Giri <sarabhanga wrote:

 

And from a Shakta perspective, the Shakti of Jupiter is well known as

Varahi ~ the consort of Varaha, who is none other than Vishnu.

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Len,

 

Matsya is the Guru of Manu.

Ramacandra is the Guru of Hanuman.

Krishna is the Guru of Arjuna.

Narayana is the Guru of Nara.

Dattatreya is the Guru of Gurus.

Vishnu is the Guru Principle.

[Guest guest]

Okay, I'll agree with your statement.

 

But Vishnu is not the ONLY Guru principle. <Gurur Brahma Gurur Vishnu Gurur

devo Maheshvaraha...>

 

And in their most usual manifestations, Shiva is a mendicant Sadhu, Vishnu is a

princely Kshatriya, and Brahma is a knowledgeable Brahmin.

 

Is Dattatreya considered an avatar?

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

 

Sarabhanga Giri <sarabhanga wrote:

Namaste Len,

 

Matsya is the Guru of Manu.

Ramacandra is the Guru of Hanuman.

Krishna is the Guru of Arjuna.

Narayana is the Guru of Nara.

Dattatreya is the Guru of Gurus.

Vishnu is the Guru Principle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, Len Rosenberg

<kalipadma108> wrote:

>

> Is Dattatreya considered an avatar?

 

Yes, usually considered a combined power of all the trinity (hence

he has 3 heads), but in my mind for some reason, I affiliate him to

Vishnu. dont know why.

 

Shirdi Sai is considered an incarnation of Dattatreya.

 

Jai Ma!

[Guest guest]

"The twin premise, that V = A and that G = A, leads directly to the

logical conclusion that V = G."

 

 

Peas are vegetables.

Carrots are vegetables.

Therefore, peas are carrots.

 

I don't think so.

 

You need to learn about Venn diagrams.

 

Omprem

 

 

 

, "Sarabhanga Giri"

<sarabhanga> wrote:

>

> Namaste Omprem,

>

> Vishnu is the Avatara ~ divine Actuality manifest in the world.

> So too, the Guru is divine Actuality ~ the prime manifestation of

the

> celestial Teacher.

>

> The twin premise, that V = A and that G = A, leads directly to the

> logical conclusion that V = G.

> How can this argument be "circular"?

>

> Vishnu is the principal Guru; and Vishnu is the Guru Principle.

>

> The ultimate Guru for Shaivas is, of course, the Mahadeva;

although

> none would deny the importance of our own worldly Guru, who

is

> certainly (in the eyes of a true devotee) a manifestation of Lord

> Narayana.

>

> Sri Shankaracarya's Dasanamis are perhaps the most

orthodox of all

> the Shaiva Sampradayas; and yet EVERY Dasanami

Sannyasin refers to

> every other Dasanami Sannyasin as Narayana!

>

> And Yogaman has noted that Vishnu Sahasranama is

recommended when

> Guru is debilitated.

>

> There surely is a strong natural identification of Vishnu and

Guru.

[Guest guest]

Namaste Omprem,

 

Peas are a manifestation of Vegetable.

Carrots are a manifestation of Vegetable.

Therefore, Peas and Carrots are both Vegetables.

 

I see your point; the argument is circular: Vegetable is Vegetable,

and Vegetable is Vegetable; therefore, Vegetables are Vegetables.

 

However, given that the premises are correct, the conclusion MUST

also be sound.

Do you disagree with either premise? ~ i.e. that the essential nature

of Vishnu is as an Avatara and Teacher, or that the essential nature

of Guru is as an Avatara and Teacher.

 

Dvaita is the primary logic of Bhakti and the Pravrtti-marga.

Advaita is the primary logic of Yoga and the Nivrtti-marga.

 

The logical method of Advaita and Jnana Yoga tends to conceptual

unity, until even the hardened rationalist is forced to admit that

All is God, and that God is One ~ but I suppose that such an argument

might also be considered circular! A Jnana Yogin, however,

understands that this apparent "circle" is actually an ascending

spiral, which leads directly to the Source.

 

The unstable Venn diagram of the orbiting "Three Cities" was

penetrated and fixed by the flaming logic of Lord Shiva's unerring

arrow. And, with all the three Discs drawn into complete alignment

by this heroic action, the apparent (and misleading) diversity of

manifestation was reduced to ashes.

[Guest guest]

"However, given that the premises are correct, the conclusion

MUST also be sound."

 

Not so.

 

Your argument is a form of logical fallacy called non sequitur

where a conclusion is drawn from premises not logically

connected with it.

 

Sarabhanga Giri is rajasic.

A waterfall is rajasic.

Therefore, Sarabhanga Giri is a waterfall.

 

 

Omprem

 

, "Sarabhanga Giri"

<sarabhanga> wrote:

>

> Namaste Omprem,

>

> Peas are a manifestation of Vegetable.

> Carrots are a manifestation of Vegetable.

> Therefore, Peas and Carrots are both Vegetables.

>

> I see your point; the argument is circular: Vegetable is

Vegetable,

> and Vegetable is Vegetable; therefore, Vegetables are

Vegetables.

>

> However, given that the premises are correct, the conclusion

MUST

> also be sound.

> Do you disagree with either premise? ~ i.e. that the essential

nature

> of Vishnu is as an Avatara and Teacher, or that the essential

nature

> of Guru is as an Avatara and Teacher.

>

> Dvaita is the primary logic of Bhakti and the Pravrtti-marga.

> Advaita is the primary logic of Yoga and the Nivrtti-marga.

>

> The logical method of Advaita and Jnana Yoga tends to

conceptual

> unity, until even the hardened rationalist is forced to admit that

> All is God, and that God is One ~ but I suppose that such an

argument

> might also be considered circular! A Jnana Yogin, however,

> understands that this apparent "circle" is actually an ascending

> spiral, which leads directly to the Source.

>

> The unstable Venn diagram of the orbiting "Three Cities" was

> penetrated and fixed by the flaming logic of Lord Shiva's

unerring

> arrow. And, with all the three Discs drawn into complete

alignment

> by this heroic action, the apparent (and misleading) diversity of

> manifestation was reduced to ashes.

[Guest guest]

If Sarabhanga is rajasic, and if a waterfall is rajasic; then

Sarabhanga and a waterfall share essential characteristics that

cannot be denied.

In this case, Sarabhanga is essentially equivalent with a waterfall.

Clearly Sarabhanga is NOT a waterfall, and a waterfall is NOT

Sarabhanga; however, in the context of the 3 Gunas, it may be said

that Sarabhanga and waterfalls are by nature identifiable

or "identical" ~ i.e. both are rajasic.

 

In the context of a discussion of essential Guru nature:

Jupiter is (by definition) Guru.

Vishnu is (by definition) Guru.

Therefore, Vishnu and Jupiter share the essential characteristics of

Guru.

Jupiter and Vishnu are essentially equivalent in that both are

essentially manifestations of Guru.

Clearly Jupiter and Vishnu are not exactly the same in every detail;

however, in the context of the concept of Guru, it may be said that

Jupiter and Vishnu are by nature identifiable or "identical" ~ i.e.

both are Guru.

>From my own point of view, the whole process of trying to confirm

that Guru is the Guru is a rather pointless exercise, but there are

some who claim to doubt this fundamental rebus.

 

Do you have any disagreement with either my premises or my

conclusions, or is it only my method of argument that is disagreeable

to you?

[Guest guest]

Your conclusion does not logically follow from your premises.

 

If A, then Z.

If B, then Z.

 

 

The only conclusions that you can draw are:

A, therefore Z.

B, therefore Z.

 

Not too informative.

 

You cannot draw the conclusions:

Z, therefore A.

Z, therefore B.

Z, therefore A and B

Z, therefore A = B.

 

I made my fundamental objection to your comments in message

13911, namely,

 

"there is a strong natural identification of Vishnu and Guru!"

 

Only to a vaishnava.

 

The above statement on natural identification is an example of

the logical fallacy known as 'circulus in demonstrando' or

'circular argument' where the premise and the conclusion are

identical.

 

Like your argument, this thread is runnning in circles. Let's move

on.

 

Omprem

 

 

 

, "Sarabhanga Giri"

 

 

 

Omprem

 

 

, "Sarabhanga Giri"

<sarabhanga> wrote:

>

> If Sarabhanga is rajasic, and if a waterfall is rajasic; then

> Sarabhanga and a waterfall share essential characteristics

that

> cannot be denied.

> In this case, Sarabhanga is essentially equivalent with a

waterfall.

> Clearly Sarabhanga is NOT a waterfall, and a waterfall is NOT

> Sarabhanga; however, in the context of the 3 Gunas, it may be

said

> that Sarabhanga and waterfalls are by nature identifiable

> or "identical" ~ i.e. both are rajasic.

>

> In the context of a discussion of essential Guru nature:

> Jupiter is (by definition) Guru.

> Vishnu is (by definition) Guru.

> Therefore, Vishnu and Jupiter share the essential

characteristics of

> Guru.

> Jupiter and Vishnu are essentially equivalent in that both are

> essentially manifestations of Guru.

> Clearly Jupiter and Vishnu are not exactly the same in every

detail;

> however, in the context of the concept of Guru, it may be said

that

> Jupiter and Vishnu are by nature identifiable or "identical" ~ i.e.

> both are Guru.

>

> From my own point of view, the whole process of trying to

confirm

> that Guru is the Guru is a rather pointless exercise, but there

are

> some who claim to doubt this fundamental rebus.

>

> Do you have any disagreement with either my premises or my

> conclusions, or is it only my method of argument that is

disagreeable

> to you?

[Guest guest]

Jupiter IS significator of Vishnu; avatara vishnu is signified by Mercury

 

Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 wrote:

Never saw a Jyotish source that identified Jupiter with Vishnu.

 

I understand that these are the correspondences between the astrological planets

and the Devas:

 

Sun -- Ganesha, Rama

 

Moon -- Shiva, Ganga

 

Mars -- Skanda, Hanuman

 

Mercury -- Vishnu

 

Jupiter -- Saraswati, Brahma

 

Venus -- Lakshmi, Durga

 

Saturn -- Krishna, Kali

 

Rahu -- Durga Mahishamardini

 

Ketu -- Rudra, Bhairava

 

But I know there is often disagreement. What set of correspondences were you

taught?

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

 

childofdevi <childofdevi wrote:

Kochu-ji,

 

Thanks very much for this info. I am aware that 5th and 9th are the

ones GENERALLY used to find istadevata. But in some cases, some

people say that the deity of the strongest planet is the ista even

when it is not in the 5th or the 9th. Also when the 5 and 9th lords

are debilitated and if there drishti of an exalted planet(eg Jupiter)

into the 5/9th, in this case the deity representing Jupiter i.e.

Vishnu is the Ista - is this correct?

 

There is also some differences as to what planet represents what

deity. Eg - generally in the South, Subramanya is the deity of Mars;

this makes sense, Subramanya is the general of the gods and his

warlike nature is similar to that of Mars; however in the Hora sastra

we find that Visnu is the ruler of Mars(not 100% sure of this though).

 

What are the indications of a Devi/Srividya upasak??

 

-yogaman

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> mantraamaatyaputrathanoojaaH panchamenaiva vichintayet;

poorvapunyam, bhaagyam upasana, guru etc are read from the 9th house.

>

> Meaning mantra = u know; amaathya= those who advice (here the

deshika gurus come) putra= children;

> poorvapuNyam= past merits; upasana bhagyam = luck

>

> sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote:

> The 5th and 9th houses and their lords determine who the "ishta

Devata" is. 9th is used as ascendant to see what the past was. and

the ninth from 9th is used to see what devata the person did upasana

of in the past lives.

 

 

 

 

 

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The texts DEFENITLY speak about Jupiter-Vishnu concept. Look at varahamihira

hora.

It is also said

"Sarweshwaraanaam dhishanestu saanidhyam nityam......" All gods are signified by

Jupiter.

 

Sarabhanga Giri <sarabhanga wrote:

 

Namaste Len,

 

Re: "Never saw a Jyotish source that identified Jupiter with Vishnu."

 

Perhaps not specifically in Jyotish textbooks, but there is a strong natural

identification of Vishnu and Guru!

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

If it is of any help, Jupiter in Western astrology is

the ruler of the Ninth House, traditionally connected

with spiritual pursuits and higher education, the

moral sense, etc. Planets placed here will colour

one's attitude towards one's image of the Divine. For

instance, people with Saturn placed here will see God

as stern, punishing, and restrictive. Mars would

probably conjure up a militant, evangelistic,

heretic-burning type of Deity-image, and the Moon,

either a maternal All-Mother or a dark devouring image

such as Kali. So, in a sense, the attribution of

Jupiter to one's personal idea of "God" is quite

correct. One book for those interested in Indian

astrology or planetary mythologies is the translation

of the Shani Mahatmya "The Greatness of Saturn" by

Robert Svoboda. He has included in the first part of

the story the mythologies of each planet in the Indian

system. It is interesting to note that in the Indian

system Venus is male, and is the preceptor of the

asuras.He also includes a brilliant essay on the

concept of "affect images" and the power of stories

and myths on the psyche. In India, reciting a

particular story at particular times is said to be a

very powerful type of worship. For instance, reciting

the story of how King Bali of the asuras surrendered

the universe to Vishnu in the form of Vamana the dwarf

at the end of any rite is said to correct any and all

faults that may have occurred in the performance of

that rite. The Katha Upanishad states that "if one

filled with devotion recites this supreme mystery at a

gathering of Brahmins, or at the ceremony of the

Shraddha for the departed, prepares in truth for

Eternity". Simply reading the book (The Greatness of

Saturn)is a powerful upaya (planetary devotional or

remedy for planetary affliction).

Lilith M.

--- sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

>

> The texts DEFENITLY speak about Jupiter-Vishnu

> concept. Look at varahamihira hora.

> It is also said

> "Sarweshwaraanaam dhishanestu saanidhyam

> nityam......" All gods are signified by Jupiter.

>

> Sarabhanga Giri <sarabhanga wrote:

>

> Namaste Len,

>

> Re: "Never saw a Jyotish source that identified

> Jupiter with Vishnu."

>

> Perhaps not specifically in Jyotish textbooks, but

> there is a strong natural identification of Vishnu

> and Guru!

>

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Namaste,

 

Traditionally:

 

The Sun is Surya or Ravi.

The Moon is Soma.

Mars is Mangala.

Mercury is Budha.

Jupiter is Brihaspati or Guru.

Venus is Shukra.

Saturn is Shani.

 

Sun-Light is Indra or Brahma, or the Adityas generally.

Moon-Light is Yama (and the Pitrs).

The Light of Mars is Varuna.

The Light of Mercury is Rudra.

The Light of Jupiter is Vayu.

The Light of Venus is Agni.

The Light of Saturn is Ishana or Nandin.

 

The Power of Sun-Light is Brahmayani or Bhuvaneshi.

The Power of Moon-Light is Mahalakshmi or Tara.

The Power of the Light of Mars is Maheshvari or Kubjika.

The Power of the Light of Mercury is Vaishnavi or Guhya-Kali.

The Power of the Light of Jupiter is Varahi or Sundari.

The Power of the Light of Venus is Kaumari or Kamakhya.

The Power of the Light of Saturn is Indrani or Nandini.

[Guest guest]

Fascinating! My comments in brackets below, following your text. Thank you for

this, I'll file it away to remember. What is your source?

 

According to Vastu Shastra,

 

The Sun rules Indra in the East

The Moon rules Vayu in the North-west

Mars rules Yama in the South

Mercury rules Kubera in the North

Jupiter rules Ishana in the North-east

Venus rules Agni in the South-east

Saturn rules Varuna in the West

Rahu rules Nirriti in the South-west

(Ketu is either subsumed with Rahu, or opposite him with Jupiter)

 

The Sun's Wisdom is Chinnamastika

The Moon's Wisdom is Matangi

Mars's Wisdom is Bagalamukhi

Mercury's Wisdom is Tara

Jupiter's Wisdom is Shodasi

Venus's Wisdom is Dhumavati

Saturn's Wisdom is Bhuvanishvari

Rahu's Wisdom is Kamala

The Nadir's Wisdom is Bhairavi or Durga

The Zenith's Wisdom is Kali Mata

[this from Harish Johari]

 

I have found correspondences that work for these systems. I'll have to work to

see if Sarabhanga's suggestions also make sense to me.

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

 

Sarabhanga Giri <sarabhanga wrote:

 

 

Namaste,

 

Traditionally:

 

The Sun is Surya or Ravi.

The Moon is Soma.

Mars is Mangala.

Mercury is Budha.

Jupiter is Brihaspati or Guru.

Venus is Shukra.

Saturn is Shani.

 

Sun-Light is Indra or Brahma, or the Adityas generally.

Moon-Light is Yama (and the Pitrs).

The Light of Mars is Varuna.

The Light of Mercury is Rudra.

The Light of Jupiter is Vayu.

The Light of Venus is Agni.

The Light of Saturn is Ishana or Nandin.

 

[This system deletes Kubera, Lord of Riches, from the Dikpalas, and replaces him

with Rudra, the Wrathful Lord. Not a wise substitution, in my opinion. And the

only female Dikpala, Nirriti, is missing. -- Len]

 

 

 

The Power of Sun-Light is Brahmayani or Bhuvaneshi.

The Power of Moon-Light is Mahalakshmi or Tara.

The Power of the Light of Mars is Maheshvari or Kubjika.

The Power of the Light of Mercury is Vaishnavi or Guhya-Kali.

The Power of the Light of Jupiter is Varahi or Sundari.

The Power of the Light of Venus is Kaumari or Kamakhya.

The Power of the Light of Saturn is Indrani or Nandini.

 

[This system is trying to conflate the seven Matrikas with the ten Mahavidyas.

The correspondences don't always work for me. The Matrika Chamunda has been

replaced with Mahalakshmi. I am unfamiliar with Kubjika, Kamakhya, and Nandini

among the Mahavidyas. Five Vidyas (Bhairavi, Chinnamastika, Bagala, Dhumavati,

and Matangi) get short shrift. -- Len]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

According to my Gurus:

 

Soma is ruled by Yama, in the South.

Mangala is ruled by Varuna, in the West.

Budha is ruled by Rudra, in the North.

Guru is ruled by Vayu, in the North-West.

Shani is ruled by Ishana, in the North-East.

Rahu and Ketu are ruled by Nirrti (and Nagas) in the South-West.

 

My first list was not intended as an account of the Dikpalas.

And Nirrti was then omitted since I was only considering the bright

planets.

Kubera is a later substitution for Rudra.

Nor was my first list intended as an account of the Mahavidyas

 

Regarding the Mahavidyas:

 

Knowledge of the Power of the Sun's "Dark" Light is Bhuvaneshi.

Knowledge of the Power of the Moon's "Dark" Light is Ambika or Tara.

Knowledge of the Power of the "Dark" Light of Mars is Bhairavi.

Knowledge of the Power of the "Dark" Light of Mercury is Dhumini.

Knowledge of the Power of the "Dark" Light of Guru is Tripura.

Knowledge of the Power of the "Dark" Light of Venus is Kamakhya.

Knowledge of the Power of the "Dark" Light of Shani is Matangi.

Knowledge of the Power of the "Dark" Light of Rahu is Bagala.

Knowledge of the Power of the "Dark" Light of Ketu is Chinnamasta.

Knowledge of the Power of the "Dark" Light of All (or the Void) is

Kali.

 

Who is Harish Johari?

 

Camunda (the 8th Matrika) has not been mentioned, since I have not

considered the Matrika associations of Rahu / Ketu.

 

There have been no deletions or conflations in any of the above.

[Guest guest]

Namaste Omprem,

 

To quote Robert Graves:

"as soon as Apollo the Organizer, God of Science, usurps the power of

his Mother the Goddess of inspired truth, wisdom and poetry, and

tries to bind her devotees by laws ~ inspired magic goes, and what

remains [instead of right choice based on instinctive good principle]

is theology"

 

When it has been demonstrated that Vaishnavas, Shaktas, and Shaivas,

have an understanding of the natural relationship between the

concepts of Guru and Vishnu, I cannot understand why you have

repeated your initial assertion that ONLY Vaishnavas would make such

a connexion.

 

Instead of "only to a Vaishnava", perhaps "to all but some Shaivas"

might be more correct.