RE: Lalitopakhyana [ The story of the Goddess Lalita ]

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Respected Moderator,

 

Where can I find the entire series of Lalitopakhyana. raji

 

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Here's a PDF, in case you don't have it:

 

http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/festivals/navaratri99/lalitopakyana

..pdf

 

Here's a preliminary introduction from this group:

 

http://shaktisadhana.50megs.com/Resource/Messageboard/Srividya4.html

 

The Lalitopakhyana is the narrative counterpart to the Lalita

Sahasranama. We have not fully set out those correspondences here in

a complete series as ye, tho' it is slowly coming together.

 

Some of the pieces and clues assembled thus far appear in Nora's

LSBhasya series.

 

Hope that helps!

 

DB

 

 

, "rajeshwari iyer"

<rajii31@h...> wrote:

> Respected Moderator,

>

> Where can I find the entire series of Lalitopakhyana. raji

>

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We can get the story of the Mother Lalitha at:

 

http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/festivals/navaratri99/lalitopakyana.

pdf

 

, "rajeshwari iyer" <rajii31@h...

> wrote:

>

> Respected Moderator,

>

> Where can I find the entire series of Lalitopakhyana. raji

>

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Thanks. Devi's attack on Bandasura is external. How do one internalise

this asura. Which quality within oneself qualify the attributes of

bandasura.

 

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>We can get the story of the Mother Lalitha at:

>

>http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/festivals/navaratri99/lalitopakyana.

>pdf

>

>, "rajeshwari iyer" <rajii31@h...

> > wrote:

> >

> > Respected Moderator,

> >

> > Where can I find the entire series of Lalitopakhyana. raji

> >

> > _______________

> > Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger

> > http://messenger.msn.nl/

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Well this will make a good discussion thread. Thank you rajeshwari

for taking the initiative to start it.

 

How about you telling us what do you understand about Bandasura? Do

not post it word by word from the translation we have here in the

group [do go to the file section.] but from your own understanding

and your own words. Then we shall see where this discussion lead us

to......

 

 

 

, "rajeshwari iyer"

<rajii31@h...> wrote:

>

> Thanks. Devi's attack on Bandasura is external. How do one

internalise this asura. Which quality within oneself qualify the

attributes of bandasura.

>

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Well, this is my understanding of internal enemies.There are six inner

enemies – Kama , Krodha, Lobha, Moha, Mada, Matsarya i.e., lust, anger,

miserliness, infatuation, pride and jealousy.

 

After following the thread on LS - still I am not above to connect which

line corresponds to the removal of above attributes.

 

How in real life chanting LS works on external enemies. which line

corresponds to justice in legal battle.

 

My final querry - Initially, when Khadagmala was posted - (during siddhi's)

there was some preamble of those goddess. But, nowadays only devi advances

without her introduction. Why? this change. raji.

 

>

>

>Well this will make a good discussion thread. Thank you rajeshwari

>for taking the initiative to start it.

>

>How about you telling us what do you understand about Bandasura? Do

>not post it word by word from the translation we have here in the

>group [do go to the file section.] but from your own understanding

>and your own words. Then we shall see where this discussion lead us

>to......

>

>

>

>, "rajeshwari iyer"

><rajii31@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks. Devi's attack on Bandasura is external. How do one

>internalise this asura. Which quality within oneself qualify the

>attributes of bandasura.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, "rajeshwari iyer"

<rajii31@h...> wrote:

>

> Well, this is my understanding of internal enemies.There are six

inner enemies – Kama , Krodha, Lobha, Moha, Mada, Matsarya i.e.,

lust, anger, miserliness, infatuation, pride and jealousy.

 

 

In my understanding, I do not consider all this as enemies. Oncce

you say they are ur enemies, they become or appear 'hostile' to you.

I see all these are part of my attributes, and they are 'friends'. I

am not here to destroy them, but to tame them because they are an

asset that you can harness for productive us. Like anger, if you

know how to redirect them, they become like a fuel that propel the

rocket up into space.

 

>

> After following the thread on LS - still I am not above to connect

which

> line corresponds to the removal of above attributes.

>

> How in real life chanting LS works on external enemies. which line

> corresponds to justice in legal battle.

>

> My final querry - Initially, when Khadagmala was posted - (during

siddhi's)

> there was some preamble of those goddess. But, nowadays only devi

advances

> without her introduction. Why? this change. raji.

>

>

> >

> >

> >Well this will make a good discussion thread. Thank you rajeshwari

> >for taking the initiative to start it.

> >

> >How about you telling us what do you understand about Bandasura?

Do

> >not post it word by word from the translation we have here in the

> >group [do go to the file section.] but from your own understanding

> >and your own words. Then we shall see where this discussion lead

us

> >to......

> >

> >

> >

> >, "rajeshwari iyer"

> ><rajii31@h...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks. Devi's attack on Bandasura is external. How do one

> >internalise this asura. Which quality within oneself qualify the

> >attributes of bandasura.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> > Well, this is my understanding of internal enemies.There are six

>inner enemies – Kama , Krodha, Lobha, Moha, Mada, Matsarya i.e.,

>lust, anger, miserliness, infatuation, pride and jealousy.

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----------------------------Madasamy's

>reply

>

>In my understanding, I do not consider all this as enemies. Oncce

>you say they are ur enemies, they become or appear 'hostile' to you.

>I see all these are part of my attributes, and they are 'friends'. I

>am not here to destroy them, but to tame them because they are an

>asset that you can harness for productive us. Like anger, if you

>know how to redirect them, they become like a fuel that propel the

>rocket up into space.

>-\

---------------------------This

>is a discussion - I would like it tobe healthy. I really would like to

>understand who is an internal Bandasura whom devi is set to demolish . If

>above qualities are healthy attributes -then who are our destructive innner

>and outer enemies. which stanza emphasis this in LS.

 

How about replying to my next querry?

>

> >

> > My final querry - Initially, when Khadagmala was posted - (during

>siddhi's)

> > there was some preamble of those goddess. But, nowadays only devi

>advances

> > without her introduction. Why? this change. raji.

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >Well this will make a good discussion thread. Thank you rajeshwari

> > >for taking the initiative to start it.

> > >

> > >How about you telling us what do you understand about Bandasura?

>Do

> > >not post it word by word from the translation we have here in the

> > >group [do go to the file section.] but from your own understanding

> > >and your own words. Then we shall see where this discussion lead

>us

> > >to......

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >, "rajeshwari iyer"

> > ><rajii31@h...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks. Devi's attack on Bandasura is external. How do one

> > >internalise this asura. Which quality within oneself qualify the

> > >attributes of bandasura.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

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, "rajeshwari iyer"

<rajii31@h...> wrote:

This is a discussion - I would like it to be healthy.

 

 

And I do not understand this statement. Are you suggesting im implying

an unhealty discussion?

[Guest guest]

"rajeshwari iyer" <rajii31@h...> wrote: I really would like to

> >understand who is an internal Bandasura whom devi is set to

demolish . If above qualities are healthy attributes -then who are our

destructive innner and outer enemies. which stanza emphasis this in

LS.

>

> How about replying to my next querry?

 

 

Who is Bandasura?

[Guest guest]

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote:

>

> , "rajeshwari iyer"

> <rajii31@h...> wrote:

> This is a discussion - I would like it to be healthy.

>

>

> And I do not understand this statement. Are you suggesting im

implying

> an unhealty discussion?

>

 

 

tell you what! I think I better keep my mouth shut and let other more

knowledgeable members to respond to you. Maybe that is what you

prefer. They are perhaps more healthy than me. Have a good day!

[Guest guest]

, "rajeshwari iyer"

<rajii31@h...> wrote:

>

> NO, not at all. Discussion should not get diverted. My question

is

genuine

> - this was in my mind for a long time. I tried my best to get

meaning by

> following the thread of LS. So, far I have no clue as to who is

an

> internal bandasura and how to visualise him internally and discard

him. He

> plays a significant role in Ls.

 

 

Okay this is my last respond. If I think your question is stupid or

not genuine do you think I would spend the time responding to you?

 

If you said, you have no clue whatso ever, how do you know im

diverting the whole issue all together. Do ponder abt this for a

minute will you. That is how my guru taught me. He does not spoon

feed me with all the information. He wants me to think for myself.

Its this independent mind, that will eventually expand your mindset

and have the ability to see far. Sometimes its good to let your mind

wonder for a moment, and see where it leads you too. Sometimes in

order to get to point B or C, you need to go a whole cycle, before

you can actually understand. Time for me to go to bed. Good night.

[Guest guest]

This is just what I or everyone would like to avoild. Unnecessary

misunderstanding. I genuniely did not mean in wrong sense - somuch, you did

not intend to. Your contribution is most appreciated and welcome. This will

certainly bring other member's into discussion. So, please give your

feedback - I have not taken them personally - if my words have hurted you

then i apologise.

 

LS is what given to me by my family. This is what is emphasised by my guru

after my initiation iin to mantra. I can chant LS without refering to any

books but it is parrot chanting.

 

due to lack of sanskrit knowledge - I am unable to understand the meaning of

LS. I go through if I see its posting. This is one of the main reason for my

joining this group.

 

I follow LS that gets posted in this group - infact that is what i am

interested.

 

Who is this Bandasura ? this question was there in my mind for a long time.

(i shall again retry) though my first effort failed but I shall still try to

find who he is internally.. If I can get further I shall post. Meanwhile

if you or other learned members can give some clue that would be

appreciated.

 

My apology if it caused any unwanted misunderstanding. raji..

>"NMadasamy" <nmadasamy

>

>

> Re: Lalitopakhyana [ The story of the Goddess

>Lalita ]

>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:49:32 -0000

>

>, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

>wrote:

> >

> > , "rajeshwari iyer"

> > <rajii31@h...> wrote:

> > This is a discussion - I would like it to be healthy.

> >

> >

> > And I do not understand this statement. Are you suggesting im

>implying

> > an unhealty discussion?

> >

>

>

>tell you what! I think I better keep my mouth shut and let other more

>knowledgeable members to respond to you. Maybe that is what you

>prefer. They are perhaps more healthy than me. Have a good day!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please!!!!!!!!! lets not have problems.

Raji you go ahead and ask and I shall make it my personal duty to

reply. (That is, if I know the answers*Smile*). I did not follow

this thread earlier. I should have. So Raji ask away.

 

Maybe there is a divine reason why Raji is asking these questions.

 

 

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...

wrote:

 

, "rajeshwari iyer"

<rajii31@h... wrote:

 

NO, not at all. Discussion should not get diverted. My question

is genuine - this was in my mind for a long time. I tried my

best to get meaning by following the thread of LS. So, far I have

no clue as to who is an internal bandasura and how to visualise him

internally and discard him. He plays a significant role in Ls.

 

Okay this is my last respond. If I think your question is stupid or

not genuine do you think I would spend the time responding to you?

 

If you said, you have no clue whatso ever, how do you know im

diverting the whole issue all together. Do ponder abt this for a

minute will you. That is how my guru taught me. He does not spoon

feed me with all the information. He wants me to think for myself.

Its this independent mind, that will eventually expand your

mindset and have the ability to see far. Sometimes its good to let

your mind wonder for a moment, and see where it leads you too.

Sometimes in order to get to point B or C, you need to go a whole

cycle, before you can actually understand. Time for me to go to

bed. Good night.

[Guest guest]

May I add my bit of understanding. Bhandasura was born out of the ashes

of Manmatha burnt by Lord Shiva.It indicates that our vasana of the world of

Maya will not die away and reappear as many times as our deeds .again and

again and drink the juices of the essence of the life itself. It disappears

only

by the grace of Devi who comes to our rescue in the form of Guru and wakes us

from our sleep, which we have to seek Her blessing repeatedly in our life

after life .

Thanking you

Devii saranam

 

 

rajeshwari iyer <rajii31 wrote:

This is just what I or everyone would like to avoild. Unnecessary

misunderstanding. I genuniely did not mean in wrong sense - somuch, you did

not intend to. Your contribution is most appreciated and welcome. This will

certainly bring other member's into discussion. So, please give your

feedback - I have not taken them personally - if my words have hurted you

then i apologise.

 

LS is what given to me by my family. This is what is emphasised by my guru

after my initiation iin to mantra. I can chant LS without refering to any

books but it is parrot chanting.

 

due to lack of sanskrit knowledge - I am unable to understand the meaning of

LS. I go through if I see its posting. This is one of the main reason for my

joining this group.

 

I follow LS that gets posted in this group - infact that is what i am

interested.

 

Who is this Bandasura ? this question was there in my mind for a long time.

(i shall again retry) though my first effort failed but I shall still try to

find who he is internally.. If I can get further I shall post. Meanwhile

if you or other learned members can give some clue that would be

appreciated.

 

My apology if it caused any unwanted misunderstanding. raji..

>"NMadasamy" <nmadasamy

>

>

> Re: Lalitopakhyana [ The story of the Goddess

>Lalita ]

>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:49:32 -0000

>

>, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

>wrote:

> >

> > , "rajeshwari iyer"

> > <rajii31@h...> wrote:

> > This is a discussion - I would like it to be healthy.

> >

> >

> > And I do not understand this statement. Are you suggesting im

>implying

> > an unhealty discussion?

> >

>

>

>tell you what! I think I better keep my mouth shut and let other more

>knowledgeable members to respond to you. Maybe that is what you

>prefer. They are perhaps more healthy than me. Have a good day!

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Namaskar -

 

In the tradition I come from there is a saying: There are no foolish question,

only foolish answers.

 

PEM

(I agree and hope mine will not be

Kochu)

 

kochu1tz <kochu1tz wrote:

Please!!!!!!!!! lets not have problems.

Raji you go ahead and ask and I shall make it my personal duty to

reply. (That is, if I know the answers*Smile*). I did not follow

this thread earlier. I should have. So Raji ask away.

 

Maybe there is a divine reason why Raji is asking these questions.

 

 

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...

wrote:

 

, "rajeshwari iyer"

<rajii31@h... wrote:

 

NO, not at all. Discussion should not get diverted. My question

is genuine - this was in my mind for a long time. I tried my

best to get meaning by following the thread of LS. So, far I have

no clue as to who is an internal bandasura and how to visualise him

internally and discard him. He plays a significant role in Ls.

 

Okay this is my last respond. If I think your question is stupid or

not genuine do you think I would spend the time responding to you?

 

If you said, you have no clue whatso ever, how do you know im

diverting the whole issue all together. Do ponder abt this for a

minute will you. That is how my guru taught me. He does not spoon

feed me with all the information. He wants me to think for myself.

Its this independent mind, that will eventually expand your

mindset and have the ability to see far. Sometimes its good to let

your mind wonder for a moment, and see where it leads you too.

Sometimes in order to get to point B or C, you need to go a whole

cycle, before you can actually understand. Time for me to go to

bed. Good night.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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And from the tradition that I come from, there is no such thing as

foolish questions and foolish answers. There is no such thing as

healty and unhealty, nor there is such thing as pure and impure. If

you look at our group, this group is the only group that have such

discussion as "spiritual masturbation". In some group, such word

would never get pass the moderators' censorship.

 

I am not even angry, but just puzzled. Why on earth even we go into

this serious discussion, Rajni comes with this thoughts "lets have

healthy discussion only". That is my start of the probing. If you

want to really understand about Bandasura, then the start will be,

come with pure mind and think not of the negative first. That is

what this whole thing is all about. Otherwise no matter what is

being said, you can never understand because you are so occupied

about this whole issue of state of healty and unhealtiness.

 

So since there is two great people responding to rajni and kochu

said he will personally respond to rajni, Im glad. I will just sit

and listen. Thank you all.

 

 

, Philip Miller <pem218>

wrote:

>

> Namaskar -

>

> In the tradition I come from there is a saying: There are no

foolish question, only foolish answers.

>

> PEM

> (I agree and hope mine will not be

> Kochu)

>

> kochu1tz <kochu1tz> wrote:

> Please!!!!!!!!! lets not have problems.

> Raji you go ahead and ask and I shall make it my personal duty to

> reply. (That is, if I know the answers*Smile*). I did not follow

> this thread earlier. I should have. So Raji ask away.

>

> Maybe there is a divine reason why Raji is asking these questions.

>

>

> , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...

> wrote:

>

> , "rajeshwari iyer"

> <rajii31@h... wrote:

>

> NO, not at all. Discussion should not get diverted. My

question

> is genuine - this was in my mind for a long time. I tried my

> best to get meaning by following the thread of LS. So, far I

have

> no clue as to who is an internal bandasura and how to visualise

him

> internally and discard him. He plays a significant role in Ls.

>

> Okay this is my last respond. If I think your question is stupid

or

> not genuine do you think I would spend the time responding to you?

>

> If you said, you have no clue whatso ever, how do you know im

> diverting the whole issue all together. Do ponder abt this for a

> minute will you. That is how my guru taught me. He does not

spoon

> feed me with all the information. He wants me to think for

myself.

> Its this independent mind, that will eventually expand your

> mindset and have the ability to see far. Sometimes its good to

let

> your mind wonder for a moment, and see where it leads you too.

> Sometimes in order to get to point B or C, you need to go a

whole

> cycle, before you can actually understand. Time for me to go to

> bed. Good night.

>

[Guest guest]

By "foolish answers," dear NMadasamy, I mean individuals whose answer belittles

someone else's ignorance, and thereby exposes their own. "Foolish answers"

demean the both the person asking and the person replying.

 

By all means, please let "healthy discussion" ensue. (If I am not mistaken, it

was a perhaps unintentionally snide remark about "unhealthy discussion" that got

this unnecessary string of messages going.

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

Doesn't bhandasura refer to false self-identification aka ego

attachment which obscures truth? aka a veil of ignorance?

self-identification with a tool?

 

Love,

Felicia

> > >, "rajeshwari iyer"

> > ><rajii31@h...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks. Devi's attack on Bandasura is external. How do one

> > >internalise this asura. Which quality within oneself qualify the

> > >attributes of bandasura.

[Guest guest]

, Philip Miller <pem218>

wrote:

>

> By "foolish answers," dear NMadasamy, I mean individuals whose

answer belittles someone else's ignorance, and thereby exposes their

own. "Foolish answers" demean the both the person asking and the

person replying.

>

> By all means, please let "healthy discussion" ensue. (If I am not

mistaken, it was a perhaps unintentionally snide remark

about "unhealthy discussion" that got this unnecessary string of

messages going.

>

 

yeah, who's stopping the "healthy discussion"?

[Guest guest]

Absolutely ! There are no enemies. The term is a platform of defination

towards understanding. I remember during one Vipassana Camp, I was quite upset

with my self because I was unable to reach 'unbiased awarness'. All of a

sudden, without my actually not knowing when, I started feeling compassionate

towards this 'poor me', and thus began an out-pouring of love towards my self.

This loving awareness carried me through to a state of utter peace and I felt

in each breath my pulsating oneness with the universe.

 

Meaning when I started loving my enemy, that is my poor disoriented self, I

knew there was actually no enemy, just an absence of love.