Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San Ramon, CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to click and donate what you can to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 , "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61> wrote: > > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to click and donate what you can to help. The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties were flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to this group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to feed the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her ashram. If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that Ammachi will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 This is the silliest propaganda I have heard. I did go to the camps and I saw how the inmates were everywhere helping. Ammachi was herself in Kitchen tirelessly supervising the cooking and 10,000 Kilos of food was being sent in lorries to the relief camps. (THE CAMPS ARE NOT HERS BUT RUN LOCALLY WITH GOIVERNMENT ASSISTANCE) She does not need the aid to repair anything. She runs institutions worth more than a BILLION $ she does not need money. Further what is the damage to her ashram? 6 inches of water? Thats all that reached the ashram. It is more like Chistian missionaries to deny aid to those who do not convert. A Hindu and an Indian to boot will NEVER do that OK? Can you let me have the site of this news group? --- anamikafisher <anamikafisher wrote: > > > , "Mary Ann" > <buttercookie61> wrote: > > > > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA > Center in San Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to click and donate what you can to help. > > The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties were flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to this group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to feed the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her ashram. > > If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting > that Ammachi will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died. > > > > > > > The all-new My - What will yours do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Hm, that doesn't sound good, but are you sure it's true? What newsgroups are you referring to? I don't think going into an ashram for safety in a tsunami means you would have to pledge your life to the guru, and I can't imagine that people in a tsunami would have chosen not to go to Amma's ashram if they could have made it there. I am sure her doors were not closed to the needy. I did read that she was urging people into the ashram who were wanting to go out and look at the ocean, people not quite realizing the danger. I suggest that you forward your concerns directly to someone at www.amma.org so they can look into it, and/or donate via other means. Mary Ann , "anamikafisher" <anamikafisher> wrote: > > > , "Mary Ann" > <buttercookie61> wrote: > > > > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San > Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to > click and donate what you can to help. > > > The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties were > flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to this > group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to feed > the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her ashram. > > If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that Ammachi > will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her > ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 here is what the official web site says. http://ammachi.org/humanitarian-activities/get-involved/tsunami.html =============================================================== Nature unleashes her fury Early morning on the 26th of December, a colossal earthquake beneath the ocean off the coast of Indonesia flung open the gates of horror in Southern India and other waterfront countries across the Indian Ocean. Measuring 9.0 on the Richter scale, the earthquake generated gigantic Tsunami waves that crashed through seaside villages, flooding and washing away homes and people in its wake. Thousands lay dead as the waters finally receded. Mass graves were filled with the dead… thousands were rendered homeless…. The death toll was 23,000; the final tally still unknown as ongoing relief efforts continued to unearth more bodies… Amma’s coastal ashram of Amritapuri also witnessed flooding as the seawaters rushed in, engulfing the village where the ashram stands.{NOT THE ASHRAM} In the immediate neighborhood of the ashram, the villagers lamented the lives, homes and belongings that ‘Kadalamma’- Mother Sea- carried away with her. There were about 20,000 people from across the world in the ashram as the disaster struck, but no one there was injured. As soon as the seawater rushed into the ashram grounds, Amma stopped giving darshan, draped an ochre shawl around herself and came down to direct the relief efforts. Conceiving the magnitude of relief needed, Amma set to work immediately, at first making sure that everyone in the ashram area was safely evacuated further inland across the backwaters, far away from the clutches of the raging sea. Then she reached out to those in need by setting up relief camps and shelters for those whose homes had been washed away by the Tsunami. {NO MENTION OF THOSE SEEKING REFUGE IN HER} Having worked all day, it was past midnight when Amma- the last person to leave the ashram- reached the other side of the backwaters…yet she did not stop. She continued organizing further relief work without even drinking a drop of water. “How could I eat or drink while so many lie dead?”…was her question when someone offered her some water. Under Amma's instructions, relief camps were set up at both the Amrita University School of Engineering and at the new Ayurveda School. More than 3,000 evacuees {NO MENTION OF REFUGE IN HER} are being accommodated there. Nine of the area's schools were set up as disaster shelters by the government, and Amma's ashram has been providing those shelters with food and other necessities like clothes and blankets. Six ambulances from the Ashram's AIMS Hospital, with medical teams lead by 10 doctors are making regular rounds as mobile medical units. They are visiting each shelter every two hours, 24 hours a day. Buzzing with activity, the Ashram is preparing food three times a day for 10,000 people, cooking the rice, uppama and curries, with many of the devotees from around the world chopping vegetables, glad to chip in their bit toward the effort. Sacks of uncooked rice are also being delivered for distribution among the needy.(JUST THE NEEDY OK? NO MENTION OF ANY OTHER CRITERION} Amma’s ashram is also actively involved in relief operations in Cochin (Vaippin), Trivandrum, Chennai and Pondicherry. Amma has instructed all the Ashram branches throughout South India to help in the relief efforts. An outpouring of support from Amma’s children around the world is going out to aid the disaster relief efforts. Amma’s children from California alone have pledged to rebuild the village of Parayakadavu, where the Amritapuri ashram stands. The magnitude of devastation is enormous. Much effort will be needed to rebuild and restore the lives of the survivors…but Amma labors on… a labor of love. “Amma is sad about those that lost their lives…” she says, “…but it is the pain of the survivors that Amma cannot bear…” If you or someone you know would like to help with the disaster relief, please contact us. ================================================================== MAY I POINT OUT THAT I AM NEITHER A DECIPLE OR FOLLOWER OF AMMA. BUT THESE BAREFACED LIE PROPAGANDA MUST BE COUNTERED. I KNOW IT IS SO BECAUSE I HAVE TOURED THE AFFECTED PLACES.THERE IS NO PLACE WHERE ANY DISTINCTION IS MADE ON ANY BASIS OTHER THAN NEED. WHATEVER SITE IS BEING REFERRED TO IS PROBABLY AN ANTI-PROPAGANDA SITE. PLEASE LET ME HAVE THE SITE TO CHECK. IF THERE IS NO SITE FORTHCOMING PEOPLE WILL KNOW WHAT IT IS Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote: Hm, that doesn't sound good, but are you sure it's true? What newsgroups are you referring to? I don't think going into an ashram for safety in a tsunami means you would have to pledge your life to the guru, and I can't imagine that people in a tsunami would have chosen not to go to Amma's ashram if they could have made it there. I am sure her doors were not closed to the needy. I did read that she was urging people into the ashram who were wanting to go out and look at the ocean, people not quite realizing the danger. I suggest that you forward your concerns directly to someone at www.amma.org so they can look into it, and/or donate via other means. Mary Ann , "anamikafisher" <anamikafisher wrote: , "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61 wrote: It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San Ramon, CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to click and donate what you can to help. The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties were flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to this group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to feed the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her ashram. If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that Ammachi will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died. Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Hi Sankara: Good you are in the area and can give us some info. Has the government's and other aid agencies arrived there yet? Is ammachi the only one providing aid there ? I realize she owns most of the prperty there... but what is the situation like now sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: Ammachi was herself in Kitchen tirelessly supervising the cooking and 10,000 Kilos of food was being sent in lorries to the relief camps. (THE CAMPS ARE NOT HERS BUT RUN LOCALLY WITH GOIVERNMENT ASSISTANCE) She does not need the aid to repair anything. She runs institutions worth more than a BILLION $ she does not need money. Further what is the damage to her ashram? 6 inches of water? Thats all that reached the ashram. It is more like Chistian missionaries to deny aid to those who do not convert. A Hindu and an Indian to boot will NEVER do that OK? Can you let me have the site of this news group? --- anamikafisher <anamikafisher wrote: > > > , "Mary Ann" > <buttercookie61> wrote: > > > > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA > Center in San Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to click and donate what you can to help. > > The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties were flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to this group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to feed the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her ashram. > > If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting > that Ammachi will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died. > > > > > > > The all-new My - What will yours do? / The all-new My – Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Hi Maryann I was referring to her official newsgroup: Ammachi/messages See post 10153 among others. I wish there would be some official clarification and we don't have to depend on the words of a few emotional devotees. Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote: Hm, that doesn't sound good, but are you sure it's true? What newsgroups are you referring to? I don't think going into an ashram for safety in a tsunami means you would have to pledge your life to the guru, and I can't imagine that people in a tsunami would have chosen not to go to Amma's ashram if they could have made it there. I am sure her doors were not closed to the needy. I did read that she was urging people into the ashram who were wanting to go out and look at the ocean, people not quite realizing the danger. I suggest that you forward your concerns directly to someone at www.amma.org so they can look into it, and/or donate via other means. Mary Ann , "anamikafisher" <anamikafisher> wrote: > > > , "Mary Ann" > <buttercookie61> wrote: > > > > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San > Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to > click and donate what you can to help. > > > The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties were > flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to this > group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to feed > the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her ashram. > > If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that Ammachi > will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her > ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died. / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 More information from www.amma.org: Tsunami relief efforts Br. Dayamrita Chaitanya Aum Amriteswaryai Namah First of all thank you to all those who are engaged in supporting the relief work here in the U.S. Yesterday (today in India i.e., Dec 30th) there was yet another warning from the Government agencies about an imminent Tsunami after observing an earthquake on the coast of Australia. The residents of the ashram had come back to the ashram. All the visitors were still in the Engineering college - now called as the refugee camp. (The Engineering college has been closed, the students send back home and the villagers are housed at the college) The ashram floors are filled with pitch black like liquid and cleaning was going on when the announcement came regarding the new Tsunami attack. Every one packed their things and scrambled to the refugee camp again. But the warning was only hoax. There was no rising of the water. So every body will be going back tomorrow. Amma's plan is to build a temporary refugee camp at first in the village. (The present one will have to start functioning as a college soon) Then as we build homes, they will be moved permanently to their individual dwellings. Some of you might have read the news about the Indian Government refusing aid from other countries. Please do not get confused with what we do. This has nothing to do with the Government. As I had written earlier Amma has pledged to build houses. We might have to build around 2500 houses, the least. So please continue with your efforts. Also I am sending an update about what AIMS - Amma's hospital is doing for the Tsunami efforts. I understand that some of you are working to get medical supplies. You can give out the information about AIMS for such people or organizations. Once again thank you and may Amma bless all our efforts. Namah Sivaya, Dayamrita , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > > here is what the official web site says. > > > > http://ammachi.org/humanitarian-activities/get- involved/tsunami.html > > > > =============================================================== > > Nature unleashes her fury > > > > Early morning on the 26th of December, a colossal earthquake beneath the ocean off the coast of Indonesia flung open the gates of horror in Southern India and other waterfront countries across the Indian Ocean. Measuring 9.0 on the Richter scale, the earthquake generated gigantic Tsunami waves that crashed through seaside villages, flooding and washing away homes and people in its wake. Thousands lay dead as the waters finally receded. Mass graves were filled with the dead… thousands were rendered homeless…. The death toll was 23,000; the final tally still unknown as ongoing relief efforts continued to unearth more bodies… > > > > Amma's coastal ashram of Amritapuri also witnessed flooding as the seawaters rushed in, engulfing the village where the ashram stands. {NOT THE ASHRAM} In the immediate neighborhood of the ashram, the villagers lamented the lives, homes and belongings that `Kadalamma'- Mother Sea- carried away with her. There were about 20,000 people from across the world in the ashram as the disaster struck, but no one there was injured. > > > As soon as the seawater rushed into the ashram grounds, Amma stopped giving darshan, draped an ochre shawl around herself and came down to direct the relief efforts. Conceiving the magnitude of relief needed, Amma set to work immediately, at first making sure that everyone in the ashram area was safely evacuated further inland across the backwaters, far away from the clutches of the raging sea. Then she reached out to those in need by setting up relief camps and shelters for those whose homes had been washed away by the Tsunami. {NO MENTION OF THOSE SEEKING REFUGE IN HER} > > > Having worked all day, it was past midnight when Amma- the last person to leave the ashram- reached the other side of the backwaters… yet she did not stop. She continued organizing further relief work without even drinking a drop of water. "How could I eat or drink while so many lie dead?"…was her question when someone offered her some water. > > > Under Amma's instructions, relief camps were set up at both the Amrita University School of Engineering and at the new Ayurveda School. More than 3,000 evacuees {NO MENTION OF REFUGE IN HER} are being accommodated there. Nine of the area's schools were set up as disaster shelters by the government, and Amma's ashram has been providing those shelters with food and other necessities like clothes and blankets. Six ambulances from the Ashram's AIMS Hospital, with medical teams lead by 10 doctors are making regular rounds as mobile medical units. They are visiting each shelter every two hours, 24 hours a day. > > > Buzzing with activity, the Ashram is preparing food three times a day for 10,000 people, cooking the rice, uppama and curries, with many of the devotees from around the world chopping vegetables, glad to chip in their bit toward the effort. Sacks of uncooked rice are also being delivered for distribution among the needy.(JUST THE NEEDY OK? NO MENTION OF ANY OTHER CRITERION} > > > Amma's ashram is also actively involved in relief operations in Cochin (Vaippin), Trivandrum, Chennai and Pondicherry. Amma has instructed all the Ashram branches throughout South India to help in the relief efforts. > > > An outpouring of support from Amma's children around the world is going out to aid the disaster relief efforts. Amma's children from California alone have pledged to rebuild the village of Parayakadavu, where the Amritapuri ashram stands. > > > The magnitude of devastation is enormous. Much effort will be needed to rebuild and restore the lives of the survivors…but Amma labors on… a labor of love. "Amma is sad about those that lost their lives…" she says, "…but it is the pain of the survivors that Amma cannot bear…" > > > If you or someone you know would like to help with the disaster relief, please contact us. > ================================================================== > > > > MAY I POINT OUT THAT I AM NEITHER A DECIPLE OR FOLLOWER OF AMMA. BUT THESE BAREFACED LIE PROPAGANDA MUST BE COUNTERED. I KNOW IT IS SO BECAUSE I HAVE TOURED THE AFFECTED PLACES.THERE IS NO PLACE WHERE ANY DISTINCTION IS MADE ON ANY BASIS OTHER THAN NEED. > > > > WHATEVER SITE IS BEING REFERRED TO IS PROBABLY AN ANTI-PROPAGANDA SITE. PLEASE LET ME HAVE THE SITE TO CHECK. IF THERE IS NO SITE FORTHCOMING PEOPLE WILL KNOW WHAT IT IS > > Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote: > > > Hm, that doesn't sound good, but are you sure it's true? What > newsgroups are you referring to? I don't think going into an ashram > for safety in a tsunami means you would have to pledge your life to > the guru, and I can't imagine that people in a tsunami would have > chosen not to go to Amma's ashram if they could have made it there. > I am sure her doors were not closed to the needy. I did read that > she was urging people into the ashram who were wanting to go out and > look at the ocean, people not quite realizing the danger. > > I suggest that you forward your concerns directly to someone at > www.amma.org so they can look into it, and/or donate via other means. > > Mary Ann > > , "anamikafisher" > <anamikafisher wrote: > > > , "Mary Ann" > <buttercookie61 wrote: > > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San Ramon, CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to click and donate what you can to help. > > > The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties were flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to this group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to feed > the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her > ashram. > > If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that Ammachi > will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her > ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died. > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 Hi Anamika: I have also found some devotees to be quite off-putting; they don't realize what a disservice they do by their "devotion," if that's what that is. In what more I posted after sankara from the official website, donations may go to help provide services through Amma's hospitals, which provide free medical services to the needy. Again, there are certainly other ways to donate if you want to reach people in the areas beyond where Amma is working directly. Apparently the death toll in India is less than 9000, where Indonesia has lost over 85,000 people. I commend you on caring to send your money or support in whatever way you feel it can do the most good. The U.S. political group MoveOn.org is offering a way to donate online if you or anyone else is interested. Here's some info: "We can help directly, as individuals, and save lives today. Our friends at Oxfam are already scrambling on the front lines to fight off starvation and disease -- and beginning to rebuild. Because Oxfam has worked for years with grassroots groups in the hardest hit areas, they were able to mobilize local leadership to help survivors immediately after the tsunami hit. And Oxfam will be there for the long-term, helping communities recover and regain their ability to meet basic needs. Oxfam needs to raise $5 million immediately to provide safe water, sanitation, food, shelter, and clothing to 36,000 families in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, and India. Your contribution can make this possible. Please give what you can, at: http://www.moveon.org/r?r=631 Of course, Oxfam is only one of dozens of great organizations, like UNICEF, CARE, and the Red Cross/Red Crescent, rushing to help with the immediate need. Their efforts give the victims a head start, but it won't be enough unless the great nations of the world step forward in a big way for the long-term challenges. Indonesia, by far the hardest hit country, is also the world's largest Muslim nation. Their estimated death toll stands at 85,000 -- in some areas, 1 out of 4 people have already been killed. Now it's time for America to show its true colors. We want to be known as a nation that leads the world with compassion, generosity, and community -- not with disastrous foreign military adventures. We are a nation that values human life, family, and extending freedom and opportunity to where it is most needed. We must now reach out in a serious way to do just that." - Mary Ann , anami ka <anamikafisher> wrote: > > Hi Maryann > > I was referring to her official newsgroup: Ammachi/messages > > See post 10153 among others. I wish there would be some official clarification and we don't have to depend on the words of a few emotional devotees. > > > Mary Ann <buttercookie61> wrote: > > Hm, that doesn't sound good, but are you sure it's true? What > newsgroups are you referring to? I don't think going into an ashram > for safety in a tsunami means you would have to pledge your life to > the guru, and I can't imagine that people in a tsunami would have > chosen not to go to Amma's ashram if they could have made it there. > I am sure her doors were not closed to the needy. I did read that > she was urging people into the ashram who were wanting to go out and > look at the ocean, people not quite realizing the danger. > > I suggest that you forward your concerns directly to someone at > www.amma.org so they can look into it, and/or donate via other means. > > Mary Ann > > , "anamikafisher" > <anamikafisher> wrote: > > > > > > , "Mary Ann" > > <buttercookie61> wrote: > > > > > > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San > > Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to > > click and donate what you can to help. > > > > > > The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties were > > flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to this > > group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to feed > > the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her > ashram. > > > > If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that Ammachi > > will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her > > ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died. > > > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 "If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that Ammachi > will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her > ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died." ============================================================= what 10153 says is Atom firmly believes, Amma was fully capable of stopping the quake/Tsunami and protecting people all over the world by Her mere sankalpa or resolve. However, note the similarities in the situations. Lord Krishna saved those who took refuge in him. And, not ONE person who was under Amma's protection was harmed. There was even a story from someone who had a miraculous escape, thanks to early darshan and subsequent travel. There will always be doubting thomases and pseudo-rationalists, this atom doesn't care. Amma clearly hinted at such happenings in the summer of 2003 and will certainly protect those who take refuge in Her. ================================================================ PLEASE note that there is no mention of ONLY. That exclusivity claims are alien to Hinduism is well known and it is when christian thought is superimposed inncently or otherwise the immage of exclusivity comes in. anami ka <anamikafisher wrote: Hi Maryann I was referring to her official newsgroup: Ammachi/messages See post 10153 among others. I wish there would be some official clarification and we don't have to depend on the words of a few emotional devotees. Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote: Hm, that doesn't sound good, but are you sure it's true? What newsgroups are you referring to? I don't think going into an ashram for safety in a tsunami means you would have to pledge your life to the guru, and I can't imagine that people in a tsunami would have chosen not to go to Amma's ashram if they could have made it there. I am sure her doors were not closed to the needy. I did read that she was urging people into the ashram who were wanting to go out and look at the ocean, people not quite realizing the danger. I suggest that you forward your concerns directly to someone at www.amma.org so they can look into it, and/or donate via other means. Mary Ann , "anamikafisher" <anamikafisher> wrote: > > > , "Mary Ann" > <buttercookie61> wrote: > > > > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA Center in San > Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to > click and donate what you can to help. > > > The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties were > flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to this > group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to feed > the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her ashram. > > If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting that Ammachi > will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her > ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died. / / Meet the all-new My – Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Dear Anamika: 1. Ammachi DOES NOT OWN ALL OR MOST OF THE LAND THERE. 2.The aid is ongoing by government and stringless NGOs as well. We are doing fine. If ppl donate with love and care we will accept. But not string aid and handme downs that the west do not want. This is not a garbage dump. 3. We are a resilent nation and we will survive. 4. We also remember the refusal of a countries to help (when we needed help) in 1999 in Orissa because a missionary was killed. I am not going into the reasons but i believe he was an equally gulty party who invited retribution. So we do not want help from such ppl. anami ka <anamikafisher wrote: Hi Sankara: Good you are in the area and can give us some info. Has the government's and other aid agencies arrived there yet? Is ammachi the only one providing aid there ? I realize she owns most of the prperty there... but what is the situation like now sankara menon wrote: Ammachi was herself in Kitchen tirelessly supervising the cooking and 10,000 Kilos of food was being sent in lorries to the relief camps. (THE CAMPS ARE NOT HERS BUT RUN LOCALLY WITH GOIVERNMENT ASSISTANCE) She does not need the aid to repair anything. She runs institutions worth more than a BILLION $ she does not need money. Further what is the damage to her ashram? 6 inches of water? Thats all that reached the ashram. It is more like Chistian missionaries to deny aid to those who do not convert. A Hindu and an Indian to boot will NEVER do that OK? Can you let me have the site of this news group? --- anamikafisher wrote: > > > , "Mary Ann" > wrote: > > > > It is also possible to donate through Amma's MA > Center in San Ramon,> CA. You can go to www.amma.org and you will see where to click and donate what you can to help. > > The only thing with this charity is that Ammachi's properties were flooded and have suffered extensive damage. Any donations to this group will likely to be used for repairing the damage than to feed the widow and children of the fisherman killed outside her ashram. > > If you read her newsgroup, her devotees keep touting > that Ammachi will only help those who have taken refuge in her - 10,000 in her ashram were saved but the villagers outside her ashram died. > > > > > > > The all-new My - What will yours do? / The all-new My – Get yours free! Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Dear Moderator, all, This is getting too emotional. We will not post any more on this subject but instead try calling the MA centre or amma's ashram in India to clarify things. If we find out some inspiring facts that will gladden the hearts of devotees here, we will pass it on. Anamika Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 anamikafisher wrote: Dear Moderator, all, This is getting too emotional. We will not post any more on this subject but instead try calling the MA centre or amma's ashram in India to clarify things. If we find out some inspiring facts that will gladden the hearts of devotees here, we will pass it on. Thank you Anamika. As I sit before my TV and watch all those out pouring of compassion from the people : From Singapore and all over the world, I began to wonder : where does all lead us to and when will it stop. Will it ever stop? My concern perhaps weather will these aid actually reach those who are really in need. Look at the situation in Acheh. Donations etc are all piled up and continue to pour in, but nobody to distribute them. For those in Malaysia, particularly in KL, the Amma team [KL] will be departing from KL to India, Tamil Nadu tomorrow [ tuesday ]. I am being informed that they will set up clinic and trying to get into the remote areas. They are appealing for funds [ cash or kind ] to purchase medicine etc. The coordinator [ also a member of this group ] of this project personally told me that all the airfare are paid by the volunteers themselves. I am being further informed that this project is not part of the ashram's initiative but by a group of individuals belonging to the ashram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 You were given the numbers and details of MA ashram at the MA group long ago is it not? anamikafisher <anamikafisher wrote: Dear Moderator, all, This is getting too emotional. We will not post any more on this subject but instead try calling the MA centre or amma's ashram in India to clarify things. If we find out some inspiring facts that will gladden the hearts of devotees here, we will pass it on. Anamika / Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Here is something interesting that someone sent me. I have no comments but to reiterate that INDIA HAS NOT ASKED FOR AID AND WHATEVER COMES IN IS VOULENTARY. SO INDIA IS NOT THE BEGGAR REFERRED TO HERE. It is further obvious that the doubts were not of an individual but the mail was being sent on behalf of a group. Because "we" does noty refer to an individual but to a group. It is this sort of insulting attitude that caused India to take a policy decision not to accept "aid". Let this group first deal with the poor in their country who cannot afford two meals a day. I understand the mailer comes from a country with 25% functionally illiterate persons and 25% who cannot afford two square meals a day. Do not impose your "charity" on us OK? We do not need it. ================================================================== Sankara, Beggars can't be choosers, OK? We will check out the charity before we send money. We want India to break free from the cycle of poverty NOT keep revolving in it endlessly. We also would like our money to go directly to the people most in need and as quickly as possible. If you have a problem with it, that is your problem. =================================================================== , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s... wrote: anamikafisher wrote: Dear Moderator, all, This is getting too emotional. We will not post any more on this subject but instead try calling the MA centre or amma's ashram in India to clarify things. If we find out some inspiring facts that will gladden the hearts of devotees here, we will pass it on. Thank you Anamika. As I sit before my TV and watch all those out pouring of compassion from the people : From Singapore and all over the world, I began to wonder : where does all lead us to and when will it stop. Will it ever stop? My concern perhaps weather will these aid actually reach those who are really in need. Look at the situation in Acheh. Donations etc are all piled up and continue to pour in, but nobody to distribute them. For those in Malaysia, particularly in KL, the Amma team [KL] will be departing from KL to India, Tamil Nadu tomorrow [ Tuesday ]. I am being informed that they will set up clinic and trying to get into the remote areas. They are appealing for funds [ cash or kind ] to purchase medicine etc. The coordinator [ also a member of this group ] of this project personally told me that all the airfare are paid by the volunteers themselves. I am being further informed that this project is not part of the ashram's initiative but by a group of individuals belonging to the ashram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Further we have no doubts so we need not call anybody. Those who have doubts can call. but do not post things with innuendo without checking. I also note that the person posted this message AFTER she got the phone numbers. Obviously she/he did not call. Because the intention does not seem all that above board. Why speculate when one had the number to clarify? , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...> wrote: > > > > anamikafisher wrote: Dear Moderator, all, This is getting too > emotional. We will not post any more on this subject but instead try calling the MA centre or amma's ashram in India to clarify things. If we find out some inspiring facts that will gladden the hearts of > devotees here, we will pass it on. > > Thank you Anamika. As I sit before my TV and watch all those out > pouring of compassion from the people : From Singapore and all over > the world, I began to wonder : where does all lead us to and when > will it stop. Will it ever stop? My concern perhaps weather will > these aid actually reach those who are really in need. Look at the > situation in Acheh. Donations etc are all piled up and continue to > pour in, but nobody to distribute them. > > For those in Malaysia, particularly in KL, the Amma team [KL] will > be departing from KL to India, Tamil Nadu tomorrow [ tuesday ]. I am > being informed that they will set up clinic and trying to get into > the remote areas. They are appealing for funds [ cash or kind ] to > purchase medicine etc. The coordinator [ also a member of this > group ] of this project personally told me that all the airfare are > paid by the volunteers themselves. I am being further informed that > this project is not part of the ashram's initiative but by a group > of individuals belonging to the ashram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Hi Kochu: I definitely understand your offense at your correspondent's rather shocking assertion that, "Beggars can't be choosers, OK?" The statement is uncalled for, factually inaccurate and deeply insensitive. Let us hope that it was a momentary outburst and not a truly held sentiment; or, at worst, an expression of simple ignorance. In either case, we can choose to respond with unconditional love. As Amritananda Natha teaches, we don't have to hate ignorance. Darkness can't remain where light is: "Even my enemies have life; and life is Devi. So I respect them, forgive them, and try to look at their point of view and make friends. If I can't do it, I will love them all the same; will not reject them, but maintain a respectful distance. My love does not expect that they should love me in return. It has no conditions attached. I share because I like sharing. That is all." Aum MAtangyai NamaH , "kochu1tz" <kochu1tz> wrote: > > Here is something interesting that someone sent me. I have no > comments but to reiterate that INDIA HAS NOT ASKED FOR AID AND > WHATEVER COMES IN IS VOULENTARY. SO INDIA IS NOT THE BEGGAR REFERRED > TO HERE. > > It is further obvious that the doubts were not of an individual but > the mail was being sent on behalf of a group. Because "we" does noty > refer to an individual but to a group. It is this sort of insulting > attitude that caused India to take a policy decision not to > accept "aid". > > Let this group first deal with the poor in their country who cannot > afford two meals a day. I understand the mailer comes from a country > with 25% functionally illiterate persons and 25% who cannot afford > two square meals a day. Do not impose your "charity" on us OK? We do > not need it. > > ================================================================== > Sankara, > > Beggars can't be choosers, OK? We will check out the charity before > we send money. We want India to break free from the cycle of poverty > NOT keep revolving in it endlessly. > > We also would like our money to go directly to the people most in > need and as quickly as possible. If you have a problem with it, that > is your problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Dear DB: I think I made my point. I know to some I am "creepy" to some because I point out the facts. But let me clarify I belong to no "group" that is soliciting any donations. I am just a proud Indian who hates the superiority airs of teh so called "aid givers". I have seen in africa how they give "aid" and what the end result is. Thank God we got over that phase by sheer dint of personal effort. Yes I do see that "aid" is given in africa. But not the western kind. I have arranged for "aid" in the form of free education to be given to africans by India so that they learn to stand on their feet. Thats one aid the west rarely gives because that will not be in their commercial interests. Thats it. Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote: Hi Kochu: I definitely understand your offense at your correspondent's rather shocking assertion that, "Beggars can't be choosers, OK?" The statement is uncalled for, factually inaccurate and deeply insensitive. Let us hope that it was a momentary outburst and not a truly held sentiment; or, at worst, an expression of simple ignorance. In either case, we can choose to respond with unconditional love. As Amritananda Natha teaches, we don't have to hate ignorance. Darkness can't remain where light is: "Even my enemies have life; and life is Devi. So I respect them, forgive them, and try to look at their point of view and make friends. If I can't do it, I will love them all the same; will not reject them, but maintain a respectful distance. My love does not expect that they should love me in return. It has no conditions attached. I share because I like sharing. That is all." Aum MAtangyai NamaH , "kochu1tz" <kochu1tz> wrote: > > Here is something interesting that someone sent me. I have no comments but to reiterate that INDIA HAS NOT ASKED FOR AID AND WHATEVER COMES IN IS VOULENTARY. SO INDIA IS NOT THE BEGGAR REFERRED TO HERE. > > It is further obvious that the doubts were not of an individual but the mail was being sent on behalf of a group. Because "we" does noty refer to an individual but to a group. It is this sort of insulting attitude that caused India to take a policy decision not to accept "aid". > > Let this group first deal with the poor in their country who cannot afford two meals a day. I understand the mailer comes from a country with 25% functionally illiterate persons and 25% who cannot afford two square meals a day. Do not impose your "charity" on us OK? We do not need it. > > ================================================================== > Sankara, > > Beggars can't be choosers, OK? We will check out the charity before we send money. We want India to break free from the cycle of poverty NOT keep revolving in it endlessly. > > We also would like our money to go directly to the people most in need and as quickly as possible. If you have a problem with it, that is your problem. / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 India has proved that "begars CAN be choosers." Chumki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Dear Anamika, There is no "Official Newsgroup" for Ammachi at Ammachi/messages it is just another like where enthusiasts hang out in cyberspace and talk. Mata Amritanandamayi Math has been releasing press reports since 12/27/04 that are actually "official" at http://www.amritapuri.org/tsunami/tsunami.php and at the M.A.Center site http://www.amma.org/ no idea why you haven't seen them since you are so interested. Also, the M.A.Center, the M.A.Math's US headquarters, is a U.S. registered non-profit organization with 501©3 status which reports it's financial information publicly. So please check it out. I don't mind criticism in reference about Ammachi, her organization or her devotees. But it's not nice to intentionally distort and misquote what someone said on another forum and post it here as "official" news. I hope you use better scrutiny and more honesty from now on. Ammachi's devotees can donate to her charity and if you are not inclined then take your pick of many reputable charities. Many devotees and others have lived in or visited Amritapuri and personally worked for the M.A.Math over the years on site and in outreach throughout India building houses, distributing food, and some of us offering medical care with our own hands. I just helped an Amrita University graduate in her job search in the US. So we are perhaps a bit over confident about what Ammachi does. Sincerely (Not Emotionally), Amarthya P.S. I love you and appreciate this Leela, God bless you Anamika Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Just wanted to let you all know this success story which came in an e-mail today: Tsunami Relief MoveOn members have raised over $2.6 million for Oxfam America's work in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, and India. By giving, you became part of a worldwide groundswell that compelled governments to increase their giving -- resulting in a record total $2 billion pledged. Thanks for your immense generosity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Namaste, Reading on this http://www.indiareacts.com/archivedebates/nat2.asp?recno=1048 will give insight to many reasons India refused aid. regards Rudra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 My thoughts on the refusal of aid (addressing something I read in the linked article): If the Japanese were busy testing water, why not put them in charge of making the water drinkable rather than taking it as a slight? One does not need to defend against the idea of oneself as a beggar or a "lesser than" just because either the mindset of those with the monies isn't able to recognize the value of what is already there, or because one's fear of being judged is so great. It may be possible for India and its individuals to support what is already there, the depth and quality, within itself, within each self, and not be diminished by others' ideas and ways, while at the same time allowing funds in, acknowledging need. It is possible to make a difference by how one responds to the energy that comes in one's direction. This would be true to spiritual ideals of yoga, working within and without, and balancing seemingly opposing forces, rather than just shutting out/closing off. This doesn't mean that I have an opinion as to whether the refusal of aid is a good decision or not. These are just my thoughts as I read the article, and as I read some of the posts about "beggars,choosers," etc. Namaste, Mary Ann , rudra <rrudraksham> wrote: > > Namaste, > > Reading on this http://www.indiareacts.com/archivedebates/nat2.asp? recno=1048 will give insight to many reasons India refused aid. > > regards > Rudra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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