Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Absolutely true. Thinking is pretty much a lost art, I find. I can't tell you how many people I annoy on a regular basis by telling them things that force them to think. But, as I see it, God gave us a head in order for it to be put to work, not just as an object to keep our ears separated! If we do not think,or employ our uniquely human faculties but merely live in out appetites, we are no better than animals, and thus demonstrate to God that we do not value, and thus do not deserve, human incarnation. Lilith M. --- NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: > > > > > "Thinking is a painful experience as inevitably it > is the death of > one's illusion. That is why most of us are afraid > to think" > > > > The all-new My - What will yours do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 The way I see it, it could go both ways. One can use thought to create elaborate constructs of thought that have little basis in reality. However it is true that some, even many, keep their minds busy constantly to avoid having any free time to truly think. What does one mean when one says think? There is analytical thought which strives toward a scientific objectivity; there is contemplation, which is a kind of reflection that is beyond analytical thought and into the realm of deep feeling and spiritual instinct; and then there's just going over and over the details of one's life/day with an observer consciousness, reviewing details dispassionatly with a focus that strives toward meditative, and does this also count as "thought" -- It's true that some people keep their minds intentionally cluttered to avoid having to think self reflectively. I think it's the self reflective thinking Nora must be referring to, cuz one can think about business and busy busy details of life all day long and never become very self aware." I think the kind of thought Nora must be thinking of and referring to here is that which we call "self analysis" or self reflection. Otherwise one could turn the television on and watch tv in every spare moment of one's waking day and think constantly constanly thinking about what one is watching on tv and which team will win the superbowl and all the details of amovie or show, and in this way thought can be used as a barrier of a busy mind to keep self awareness and self insight away. It's silence I think most people avoid, cuz in silence the thinking mind is alone with itself nd it's own contents... But, it is certainly possible to think onself into a hole, as the saying goes, to follow a line of reasoning and keep thinking until one has created an illusion. They say schizophrenics often exhibit this kind of compulsive thinking taht cannot switch itself off to save itself... I think with thought there certainly can be too much. Too much of it is usually remedied by having more time for silence to let it all sort out.. At least that's whay helps ME get through when my head gets to the point of wanting to explode with too much to think about... Peace, Cathie In a message dated 1/15/2005 2:32:20 PM Mountain Standard Time, seclusive_nihilism writes: > NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: > > > "Thinking is a painful experience as inevitably it is the death of > one's illusion. That is why most of us are afraid to think" > > If that phrase is to be taken literally, that is fairly strange. I am not > sure if I destroyed illusion all together, but I will admit that I do > think...A LOT. As a matter of fact, I think to the point of recalling dreams, > whether vaguely or not...then pondering how the dreams affect me, if at all. > > My question is: can thinking too much cause one to invite illusion in their > world? > > > > Blessings, > > An'ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: "Thinking is a painful experience as inevitably it is the death of one's illusion. That is why most of us are afraid to think" If that phrase is to be taken literally, that is fairly strange. I am not sure if I destroyed illusion all together, but I will admit that I do think...A LOT. As a matter of fact, I think to the point of recalling dreams, whether vaguely or not...then pondering how the dreams affect me, if at all. My question is: can thinking too much cause one to invite illusion in their world? Blessings, An'ya / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 analysis paralysis , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > The way I see it, it could go both ways. One can use thought to create > elaborate constructs of thought that have little basis in reality. However it is > true that some, even many, keep their minds busy constantly to avoid having > any free time to truly think. > > What does one mean when one says think? There is analytical thought which > strives toward a scientific objectivity; there is contemplation, which is a > kind of reflection that is beyond analytical thought and into the realm of deep > feeling and spiritual instinct; and then there's just going over and over the > details of one's life/day with an observer consciousness, reviewing details > dispassionatly with a focus that strives toward meditative, and does this also > count as "thought" -- > > It's true that some people keep their minds intentionally cluttered to avoid > having to think self reflectively. I think it's the self reflective thinking > Nora must be referring to, cuz one can think about business and busy busy > details of life all day long and never become very self aware." > > I think the kind of thought Nora must be thinking of and referring to here is > that which we call "self analysis" or self reflection. Otherwise one could > turn the television on and watch tv in every spare moment of one's waking day > and think constantly constanly thinking about what one is watching on tv and > which team will win the superbowl and all the details of amovie or show, and in > this way thought can be used as a barrier of a busy mind to keep self > awareness and self insight away. > > It's silence I think most people avoid, cuz in silence the thinking mind is > alone with itself nd it's own contents... > > But, it is certainly possible to think onself into a hole, as the saying > goes, to follow a line of reasoning and keep thinking until one has created an > illusion. They say schizophrenics often exhibit this kind of compulsive thinking > taht cannot switch itself off to save itself... > > I think with thought there certainly can be too much. Too much of it is > usually remedied by having more time for silence to let it all sort out.. At > least that's whay helps ME get through when my head gets to the point of wanting > to explode with too much to think about... > > Peace, > Cathie > > In a message dated 1/15/2005 2:32:20 PM Mountain Standard Time, > seclusive_nihilism writes: > > > NMadasamy <nmadasamy@s...> wrote: > > > > > > "Thinking is a painful experience as inevitably it is the death of > > one's illusion. That is why most of us are afraid to think" > > > > If that phrase is to be taken literally, that is fairly strange. I am not > > sure if I destroyed illusion all together, but I will admit that I do > > think...A LOT. As a matter of fact, I think to the point of recalling dreams, > > whether vaguely or not...then pondering how the dreams affect me, if at all. > > > > My question is: can thinking too much cause one to invite illusion in their > > world? > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > An'ya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 chuckling ;-) good one -- yes, louis sass said there is no history of schizophrenia before the age of self reflection. he feels around the renaissance consciousness became aware of itself and began to gaze rather than through itself out at the world, back at itself. this creates much enlightenment and confusions !!!! or to quote somebody famous and i think oriental who's name i do not remember: "old chinese curse say may you live in INTERESTING times... ;-)] peace, cathie In a message dated 1/15/2005 7:03:13 PM Mountain Standard Time, paulie-rainbow writes: > analysis paralysis > > > > , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > >The way I see it, it could go both ways. One can use thought to create > >elaborate constructs of thought that have little basis in reality. However > it is > >true that some, even many, keep their minds busy constantly to avoid having > > >any free time to truly think. > > > >What does one mean when one says think? There is analytical thought which > > >strives toward a scientific objectivity; there is contemplation, which is a > > >kind of reflection that is beyond analytical thought and into the realm of > deep > >feeling and spiritual instinct; and then there's just going over and over > the > >details of one's life/day with an observer consciousness, reviewing details > > >dispassionatly with a focus that strives toward meditative, and does this > also > >count as "thought" -- > > > >It's true that some people keep their minds intentionally cluttered to > avoid > >having to think self reflectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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