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Absolutely true. Thinking is pretty much a lost art, I

find. I can't tell you how many people I annoy on a

regular basis by telling them things that force them

to think. But, as I see it, God gave us a head in

order for it to be put to work, not just as an object

to keep our ears separated! If we do not think,or

employ our uniquely human faculties but merely live in

out appetites, we are no better than animals, and thus

demonstrate to God that we do not value, and thus do

not deserve, human incarnation.

Lilith M.

--- NMadasamy <nmadasamy

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> "Thinking is a painful experience as inevitably it

> is the death of

> one's illusion. That is why most of us are afraid

> to think"

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The all-new My - What will yours do?

 

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The way I see it, it could go both ways. One can use thought to create

elaborate constructs of thought that have little basis in reality. However it

is

true that some, even many, keep their minds busy constantly to avoid having

any free time to truly think.

 

What does one mean when one says think? There is analytical thought which

strives toward a scientific objectivity; there is contemplation, which is a

kind of reflection that is beyond analytical thought and into the realm of deep

feeling and spiritual instinct; and then there's just going over and over the

details of one's life/day with an observer consciousness, reviewing details

dispassionatly with a focus that strives toward meditative, and does this also

count as "thought" --

 

It's true that some people keep their minds intentionally cluttered to avoid

having to think self reflectively. I think it's the self reflective thinking

Nora must be referring to, cuz one can think about business and busy busy

details of life all day long and never become very self aware."

 

I think the kind of thought Nora must be thinking of and referring to here is

that which we call "self analysis" or self reflection. Otherwise one could

turn the television on and watch tv in every spare moment of one's waking day

and think constantly constanly thinking about what one is watching on tv and

which team will win the superbowl and all the details of amovie or show, and in

this way thought can be used as a barrier of a busy mind to keep self

awareness and self insight away.

 

It's silence I think most people avoid, cuz in silence the thinking mind is

alone with itself nd it's own contents...

 

But, it is certainly possible to think onself into a hole, as the saying

goes, to follow a line of reasoning and keep thinking until one has created an

illusion. They say schizophrenics often exhibit this kind of compulsive

thinking

taht cannot switch itself off to save itself...

 

I think with thought there certainly can be too much. Too much of it is

usually remedied by having more time for silence to let it all sort out.. At

least that's whay helps ME get through when my head gets to the point of wanting

to explode with too much to think about...

 

Peace,

Cathie

 

In a message dated 1/15/2005 2:32:20 PM Mountain Standard Time,

seclusive_nihilism writes:

> NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote:

>

>

> "Thinking is a painful experience as inevitably it is the death of

> one's illusion. That is why most of us are afraid to think"

>

> If that phrase is to be taken literally, that is fairly strange. I am not

> sure if I destroyed illusion all together, but I will admit that I do

> think...A LOT. As a matter of fact, I think to the point of recalling dreams,

> whether vaguely or not...then pondering how the dreams affect me, if at all.

>

> My question is: can thinking too much cause one to invite illusion in their

> world?

>

>

>

> Blessings,

>

> An'ya

 

 

 

 

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NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote:

 

 

 

 

"Thinking is a painful experience as inevitably it is the death of

one's illusion. That is why most of us are afraid to think"

 

If that phrase is to be taken literally, that is fairly strange. I am not sure

if I destroyed illusion all together, but I will admit that I do think...A LOT.

As a matter of fact, I think to the point of recalling dreams, whether vaguely

or not...then pondering how the dreams affect me, if at all.

 

My question is: can thinking too much cause one to invite illusion in their

world?

 

 

 

Blessings,

 

An'ya

 

 

 

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analysis paralysis

 

 

 

, SophiasHeaven@a... wrote:

> The way I see it, it could go both ways. One can use thought to create

> elaborate constructs of thought that have little basis in reality. However it

is

> true that some, even many, keep their minds busy constantly to avoid having

> any free time to truly think.

>

> What does one mean when one says think? There is analytical thought which

> strives toward a scientific objectivity; there is contemplation, which is a

> kind of reflection that is beyond analytical thought and into the realm of

deep

> feeling and spiritual instinct; and then there's just going over and over the

> details of one's life/day with an observer consciousness, reviewing details

> dispassionatly with a focus that strives toward meditative, and does this also

> count as "thought" --

>

> It's true that some people keep their minds intentionally cluttered to avoid

> having to think self reflectively. I think it's the self reflective thinking

> Nora must be referring to, cuz one can think about business and busy busy

> details of life all day long and never become very self aware."

>

> I think the kind of thought Nora must be thinking of and referring to here is

> that which we call "self analysis" or self reflection. Otherwise one could

> turn the television on and watch tv in every spare moment of one's waking day

> and think constantly constanly thinking about what one is watching on tv and

> which team will win the superbowl and all the details of amovie or show, and

in

> this way thought can be used as a barrier of a busy mind to keep self

> awareness and self insight away.

>

> It's silence I think most people avoid, cuz in silence the thinking mind is

> alone with itself nd it's own contents...

>

> But, it is certainly possible to think onself into a hole, as the saying

> goes, to follow a line of reasoning and keep thinking until one has created an

> illusion. They say schizophrenics often exhibit this kind of compulsive

thinking

> taht cannot switch itself off to save itself...

>

> I think with thought there certainly can be too much. Too much of it is

> usually remedied by having more time for silence to let it all sort out.. At

> least that's whay helps ME get through when my head gets to the point of

wanting

> to explode with too much to think about...

>

> Peace,

> Cathie

>

> In a message dated 1/15/2005 2:32:20 PM Mountain Standard Time,

> seclusive_nihilism writes:

>

> > NMadasamy <nmadasamy@s...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > "Thinking is a painful experience as inevitably it is the death of

> > one's illusion. That is why most of us are afraid to think"

> >

> > If that phrase is to be taken literally, that is fairly strange. I am not

> > sure if I destroyed illusion all together, but I will admit that I do

> > think...A LOT. As a matter of fact, I think to the point of recalling

dreams,

> > whether vaguely or not...then pondering how the dreams affect me, if at all.

> >

> > My question is: can thinking too much cause one to invite illusion in their

> > world?

> >

> >

> >

> > Blessings,

> >

> > An'ya

>

>

>

>

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chuckling ;-) good one --

yes, louis sass said there is no history of schizophrenia before the

age of self reflection. he feels around the renaissance consciousness became

aware of itself and began to gaze rather than through itself out at the world,

back at itself. this creates much enlightenment and confusions !!!!

 

or to quote somebody famous and i think oriental who's name i do not

remember: "old chinese curse say may you live in INTERESTING times... ;-)]

 

 

peace,

cathie

In a message dated 1/15/2005 7:03:13 PM Mountain Standard Time,

paulie-rainbow writes:

> analysis paralysis

>

>

>

> , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote:

> >The way I see it, it could go both ways. One can use thought to create

> >elaborate constructs of thought that have little basis in reality. However

> it is

> >true that some, even many, keep their minds busy constantly to avoid having

>

> >any free time to truly think.

> >

> >What does one mean when one says think? There is analytical thought which

>

> >strives toward a scientific objectivity; there is contemplation, which is a

>

> >kind of reflection that is beyond analytical thought and into the realm of

> deep

> >feeling and spiritual instinct; and then there's just going over and over

> the

> >details of one's life/day with an observer consciousness, reviewing details

>

> >dispassionatly with a focus that strives toward meditative, and does this

> also

> >count as "thought" --

> >

> >It's true that some people keep their minds intentionally cluttered to

> avoid

> >having to think self reflectively.

 

 

 

 

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