Why I criticize Madonna

[Guest guest]

Less than five years ago, I knew a woman who worked as a lap dancer in a

strip club. Granted I would NOT advise Anyone to work such a job but, in fact

this young woman did. She did not complain about being abused in her

profession. She had a boyfriend who knew her profession who was neither a pimp

or a

drug dealer. I"m not saying such jobs are to be recommended or highly sought

after, but, I will always believe in the personal freedom of anybody to use

their own body to make money if they can. Why can we prostitute our minds to

the

advertising industry, and oh but if some woman prostitutes her body. I'ts

ALMOST as if we value her body MOREsoe than her mind, since we as a society

could care Less if she prostitutes her mind.

Less than five years ago, or approximately that long ago, I knew a

hooker once (not the same woman as the lap dancer). What pathetic case that

was.

She had been kidnappped she said, by friends of her ex husband to get "even"

with her. drugged and sold into sex-slavery as a hoooker. Finally she "woke

up" one day and drug herself free to a friends house where she did "rehabe'

on her couch. That was the world of the hijacked street hooker.

So far as I know neither of these women had any "madonna" influence

affecting their "career choices"

IN my impression of madonnna and her music, i do NOT see a cult

following of her among the younger generation in fact the younger generation

seem to

care LESS about madonna and it seems to me she draws the older women at least

college aged, who have a value toward freedom about their sexuality, but

absolutely NO tendency nor desire to be either strippers or hookers...

I seriously Doubt a trip to the local present-time strip bar, would

reveal a hoard of madonna followers. I seriously Doubt she intends to send out

the image of free, wholesale sex. Rather, she seems to be political in an

artsy kind of basic way, about sex and power dynamics in a way that says women

should reClaim their freedom and their power and NOT give it away wholesale to

Men ...

 

maybe i have misunderstood something,

peace,

cathie

In a message dated 1/16/2005 5:56:13 PM Mountain Standard Time,

sephirah5 writes:

> Further to my remarks about how Madonna's exploiting

> and glamourizing certain images for "shock value"

> among the youth of today to further her career has

> measurably contributed to the weakening of moral fibre

> in society, giving momentum to the rise in child

> pornography,(sort of a "butterfly causing typhoon"

> effect), I just yesterday caught an article on ,

> where a sixty-year-old male career counsellor was

> addressing a group of EIGHTH GRADERS,(fourteen-year

> olds) and not only mentioned "stripping" as a viable

> career option, he even enumerated the financial

> benefits at some length, and actually told them that

> if they got silicone implants, they could expect to

> make even more money. Now, as a former stripper

> myself, I can tell you I would NEVER advise anyone to

> get into the stripping business nowadays, much less

> push it to anyone(and especially NOT children!) as a

> "career option"!!! Sure, one can make a lot of money,

> but unlike the way it was back when I was into it,it

> is now simply glorified prostitution. Back when I was

> working, strippers stayed on the stage, and came

> nowhere near the audience, and the customers were

> expected to keep their distance. Now, strippers are

> expected to make full contact and allow the customers

> to finger them, plus the pressure to get implants is

> CONSTANT. I hung it all up when "table dancing" put in

> an appearance around the early 80s; I knew this was

> the start of a downhill slide for the business as a

> whole, and I was exactly right, in SPADES. (I can also

> tell you that my previous boyfriend once passed on to

> me the body lice he picked up from some lap dancer)

> Drugs are rampant in the business like never before,

> and numbers of drug dealers hang about the strip bars

> like vultures, never mind the pimps and porn scouts,

> preying on all the foolish young women with too much

> money and not enough sense to see what is really going

> on!... I have to wonder if this guy was secretly

> subsidized by the plastic surgeons/porn

> peddlers/clubowners/pimps (or all of the above!), to

> make such a presentation in front of children, to

> ensure the ongoing supply of "fresh meat"!

> But, I am sure I am just getting fussed over

> nothing again as usual; this will not surprise or

> disturb anyone here as much as it did me; after all,

> we are all free to make our own choices, and pimps and

> porn peddlers have a right to exist and make a living

> just like anyone else, and Devi must have her reasons

> for all this...

> Lilith M.

> --- Lili Masamura <sephirah5 wrote:

>

> >Oh, the crucifix props were squawked about plenty at

> >the time..I remember the Church all up in arms over

> >that one, and everybody snickering. At the time, I

> >remember thinking she would eventually do the family

> >thing and then run back to the Church and brown-nose

> >the Pope, and I was right about that, too. I suppose

> >she dropped the Indian thing because of all those

> >icky

> >teachings about karma and renouncing the

> >material...Now her latest religious trip is trying

> >to

> >get everyone to wear little red strings and

> >celebrate

> >Passover, and making "pilgrimages" to Israel. If she

> >keeps that up in the public eye, she is liable to

> >have

> >a few irate Palestinians bearing gifts attend her

> >concerts, which will end her career with a BANG.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Lilith,

while i applaud your heightened sensitivity to such issues and your

tireless scrutiny of every detail of the marketing and advertising Moves of such

Moguls as Brittany Spears and Madonna ( who I do not consider in the same

category btw, considerin Spears does little to NONE of her own artistic work,

while Madonna takes an active creative role in hers, to my understanding), i

just

do not feel that it is Madonnna who is fueling the porn industry OR the

childhood pornography industry.

SADLY, i knew a man very tentatively a while back, who was, SADLY,

every immersed into porn, and Madonna was NOT a part of his vocabulary. Madonna

is like child-play to real hard core porn industry types of this day and age.

 

In my opinion, the puritans of the late part of the 1800's and the

arly part of the 1900's have MORE to do with the porn industrie'

s flourishing than does Madonna... at least as much so, if any direct

correlation can bre made...

 

Blessings,

Cathie

In a message dated 1/16/2005 5:56:13 PM Mountain Standard Time,

sephirah5 writes:

> Further to my remarks about how Madonna's exploiting

> and glamourizing certain images for "shock value"

> among the youth of today to further her career has

> measurably contributed to the weakening of moral fibre

> in society, giving momentum to the rise in child

> pornography,(sort of a "butterfly causing typhoon"

> effect), I just yesterday caught an article on ,

> where a sixty-year-old male career counsellor was

> addressing a group of EIGHTH GRADERS,(fourteen-year

> olds) and not only mentioned "stripping" as a viable

> career option, he even enumerated the financial

> benefits at some length, and actually told them that

> if they got silicone implants, they could expect to

> make even more money. Now, as a former stripper

> myself, I can tell you I would NEVER advise anyone to

> get into the stripping business nowadays, much less

> push it to anyone(and especially NOT children!) as a

> "career option"!!! Sure, one can make a lot of money,

> but unlike the way it was back when I was into it,it

> is now simply glorified prostitution. Back when I was

> working, strippers stayed on the stage, and came

> nowhere near the audience, and the customers were

> expected to keep their distance. Now, strippers are

> expected to make full contact and allow the customers

> to finger them, plus the pressure to get implants is

> CONSTANT. I hung it all up when "table dancing" put in

> an appearance around the early 80s; I knew this was

> the start of a downhill slide for the business as a

> whole, and I was exactly right, in SPADES. (I can also

> tell you that my previous boyfriend once passed on to

> me the body lice he picked up from some lap dancer)

> Drugs are rampant in the business like never before,

> and numbers of drug dealers hang about the strip bars

> like vultures, never mind the pimps and porn scouts,

> preying on all the foolish young women with too much

> money and not enough sense to see what is really going

> on!... I have to wonder if this guy was secretly

> subsidized by the plastic surgeons/porn

> peddlers/clubowners/pimps (or all of the above!), to

> make such a presentation in front of children, to

> ensure the ongoing supply of "fresh meat"!

> But, I am sure I am just getting fussed over

> nothing again as usual; this will not surprise or

> disturb anyone here as much as it did me; after all,

> we are all free to make our own choices, and pimps and

> porn peddlers have a right to exist and make a living

> just like anyone else, and Devi must have her reasons

> for all this...

> Lilith M.

> --- Lili Masamura <sephirah5 wrote:

>

> >Oh, the crucifix props were squawked about plenty at

> >the time..I remember the Church all up in arms over

> >that one, and everybody snickering. At the time, I

> >remember thinking she would eventually do the family

> >thing and then run back to the Church and brown-nose

> >the Pope, and I was right about that, too. I suppose

> >she dropped the Indian thing because of all those

> >icky

> >teachings about karma and renouncing the

> >material...Now her latest religious trip is trying

> >to

> >get everyone to wear little red strings and

> >celebrate

> >Passover, and making "pilgrimages" to Israel. If she

> >keeps that up in the public eye, she is liable to

> >have

> >a few irate Palestinians bearing gifts attend her

> >concerts, which will end her career with a BANG.

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Further to my remarks about how Madonna's exploiting

and glamourizing certain images for "shock value"

among the youth of today to further her career has

measurably contributed to the weakening of moral fibre

in society, giving momentum to the rise in child

pornography,(sort of a "butterfly causing typhoon"

effect), I just yesterday caught an article on ,

where a sixty-year-old male career counsellor was

addressing a group of EIGHTH GRADERS,(fourteen-year

olds) and not only mentioned "stripping" as a viable

career option, he even enumerated the financial

benefits at some length, and actually told them that

if they got silicone implants, they could expect to

make even more money. Now, as a former stripper

myself, I can tell you I would NEVER advise anyone to

get into the stripping business nowadays, much less

push it to anyone(and especially NOT children!) as a

"career option"!!! Sure, one can make a lot of money,

but unlike the way it was back when I was into it,it

is now simply glorified prostitution. Back when I was

working, strippers stayed on the stage, and came

nowhere near the audience, and the customers were

expected to keep their distance. Now, strippers are

expected to make full contact and allow the customers

to finger them, plus the pressure to get implants is

CONSTANT. I hung it all up when "table dancing" put in

an appearance around the early 80s; I knew this was

the start of a downhill slide for the business as a

whole, and I was exactly right, in SPADES. (I can also

tell you that my previous boyfriend once passed on to

me the body lice he picked up from some lap dancer)

Drugs are rampant in the business like never before,

and numbers of drug dealers hang about the strip bars

like vultures, never mind the pimps and porn scouts,

preying on all the foolish young women with too much

money and not enough sense to see what is really going

on!... I have to wonder if this guy was secretly

subsidized by the plastic surgeons/porn

peddlers/clubowners/pimps (or all of the above!), to

make such a presentation in front of children, to

ensure the ongoing supply of "fresh meat"!

But, I am sure I am just getting fussed over

nothing again as usual; this will not surprise or

disturb anyone here as much as it did me; after all,

we are all free to make our own choices, and pimps and

porn peddlers have a right to exist and make a living

just like anyone else, and Devi must have her reasons

for all this...

Lilith M.

--- Lili Masamura <sephirah5 wrote:

> Oh, the crucifix props were squawked about plenty at

> the time..I remember the Church all up in arms over

> that one, and everybody snickering. At the time, I

> remember thinking she would eventually do the family

> thing and then run back to the Church and brown-nose

> the Pope, and I was right about that, too. I suppose

> she dropped the Indian thing because of all those

> icky

> teachings about karma and renouncing the

> material...Now her latest religious trip is trying

> to

> get everyone to wear little red strings and

> celebrate

> Passover, and making "pilgrimages" to Israel. If she

> keeps that up in the public eye, she is liable to

> have

> a few irate Palestinians bearing gifts attend her

> concerts, which will end her career with a BANG.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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