I don't understand ...

[Guest guest]

I don't understand why a whole thread goes on and on and on for a

week at least about eating shit and drinking urine and still everyone is afraid

to talk about SEX.

Let's face it, sex is a LOT more natural than eating shit or drinking

urine yet STILL much more TABOOO to discuss.

Now Madonna gets picked on for being sexual. I thinkshe should be

applauded for having the courage to stand up and be bold abouther sexuality

while

demanding to be in Charge of it as well.

Ok so Madonna is not my big role model, BUT,

the whole ISSUE the whole BUNDLE and how IMPOSSIBLE it is to

even TALK about sex when sex is such a central issue, seems to me that

somebody who is willing to deal with it in any way aught to be applauded.

I don't understand, how it is possible to spend a WEEK or more talking

about eating shit and drinking piss, and the topic of sex c annot even be

barely grazed except to relegate it to a special "restricted" compartment with

"limited restricted" access and nobody basicallyu can talk about it... not in

any depth. not with the grit and honesty which which some were wiling to discuss

shit and piss.

 

I'm sorry for being crude, but,

what would I say about sex if I had the platform?

I think sex is vastly misunderstood and I think too many people take

sex much too casually, and STILL, i feel that society is going through some

sort of healthy PURGING OF negative emtoins regarding sexuality.

It is NOT just westerneres, I gather, cuz I ahve been around the net

and profiles have popped up a number of young hindu people both men and

woman al of whome seem to want to make a point of mentioning they are putting

themselves "out there" sexuallyu as in advertising for "fun"

 

When will the older generation learn, to look at the younger

generation and not with disdain,but with a genuine curiosity as to what is going

on in

their minds, giving them credit and benefit of the doub that there is some

sort of valuable mistery they will unravel.

Or do we presume to have unraveld it all and no further need. Only

everybody else do as we say because we say we know better?

 

I don't know what the answer is cuz i'm not believing in the sex

culture either and i sympathise with the concerns and complaints, but I just

don't

think it is that easy to solve and I truly believe that with most of the

younger generation they are NOT into porn even the ones that are TOO into Loose

sex, they are Exploring and so LET THEM, i would say, because either their

paretns dont' care, or their parents are so puritanical still in this day and

age

and so restricted and so confined to a comercial society that such young people

feel there is nothing REAL anymnore and no TRUST anymore from their parents

and why Shouldnt' they go out and sell their bodies when EVERYTHING in consumber

america is up for grabs/sale/??

 

Going to Quit my unintelligible soap box and go to sleep now...

peace

cathie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Maybe I have the wrong idea, Kathy, but it has always seemed to me

that Madonna is not about sex at all -- not about sexiness, or

sexuality, or women's sexual liberation or any such thing: She is

about capital; she is about money.

 

Sex -- like music or art -- is just a form that can be used for

various purposes by various people. Sex can be holy (as in the

various traditions of sacred sexuality), or it can be disgusting (as

in many forms of pornography), or it can be completely neutral --

which it mostly is once it becomes a commodity.

 

Maybe I have missed something; maybe I am not red-blooded enough or

whatever -- but to me, there is just nothing especially sexy about

Madonna or Britney or Janet Jackson engaged in whatever

supposedly "provocative" pose or activity they've dreamed up to move

product at the CD shop. It's like looking at a flashy car or a yacht;

of course it's attractive in its own way, but at the end of the day

it's just something else for sale.

 

DB

 

, SophiasHeaven@a... wrote:

> I don't understand why a whole thread goes on and on and on

for a

> week at least about eating shit and drinking urine and still

everyone is afraid

> to talk about SEX. [...]Now Madonna gets picked on for being

sexual. I thinkshe should be

> applauded for having the courage to stand up and be bold abouther

sexuality while

> demanding to be in Charge of it as well.

[Guest guest]

Maybe you are right Devi,

So much is about money.

Still sex is a hot topic and those who find small ways to

sensationalize on it without going to such extremes as to alienate too many of

the masses,

make a big profit when they do so in ways that appeal to the collective.

What's the deal with all the steel tipped brazeers some of these women

like Madonna and Janet Jackson have been into (I say have been, cuz I think

this was a style of the past for Madonna). These women dress up in these

costumes that are either outof leather, giving the impression of a tough biker

chick. Somebody tough. Tough leather usually associated with the

male/masculine,

while lace and frills are typically thought of as more feminine. Then they

let their breast hanging half out.

Or Madonna wih her whip and chain, the chain around the neck of a

business man. There seems to be this hunger for modern women to see fremale

sexuality displayed in ways that are not typically feminine. Perhaps this is

why

you do not see them as sexy. I personally don't find all the whips and leather

necessarily sexy on a woman. It seems restrictive. Then Madonna puts on a

man's suit and tie and grabs her crotch in her music video fromyears ago, as

she is standing singing at the top of a stair. So she puts women UP the way men

are put up in the business world, and she takes on this kind of hard

masculine sexuality.

It's not just that she uses sex to capitalize her profits. It's HOW

she uses sex. It's not sexy so much as it is psychological about power and yes

money is also power and she hasw a LOT of it, like a man. ( ;-) the song

says "like a virgin" but maybe she should sing one that says "like a man -- i

feell like a big tough rap singing business tycoon, money wealthy powerful

man, with steel tipped nipples, rollin in the dough." ;-)

In order to Make Money she has to capitalize on Something that grabs

people and as youpoint out sex is one such thing, but it's HOW she uses it. No

frills, no lace.

It's military power too. Janet jackson has always struck me as being

very rigid and military in her dance moves and so are a lot of singers these

days -- even Brittany who began as a mouse-k-teer hsa got the moves that say:

No Emotions -- just precisi8on -- precision -- all these rigid precise moves

and in the middle of it all, still with rigid stiff militarymoves, grabs her

crotch. You're right it's NOT sexy in a traditional sense and it IS about power

I think. It's about sex and power. Women are also not traditionallythought

of as rigid, harsh militarymovements but shouldhave grace and emotional

sensitivity.

I have to say I don't think it's progress when women become like

modern business men and start stomping around using a military attitude of

combat

and detachment ab out sex power and money. I think the world needs more of the

feminine. Maybe times are changing and the feminine should not be tied on a

big long chain to frills and lace and meekness and sensitivity, but the other

extreme portrayed bythese pop singers in leather with whips and their rigid

brazeers and crotch grabbing is an opposite extreme that is just plain

unsatisfactory, imho, from the standpoint of spiritual evolution.\

I just wich the world at large would be les focused on money and

power. The pop singers only are able to sell what appeals to the masses

 

Peace,

Cathie

\\In a message dated 1/16/2005 10:49:56 PM Mountain Standard Time,

devi_bhakta writes:

> Maybe I have the wrong idea, Kathy, but it has always seemed to me

> that Madonna is not about sex at all -- not about sexiness, or

> sexuality, or women's sexual liberation or any such thing: She is

> about capital; she is about money.

>

> Sex -- like music or art -- is just a form that can be used for

> various purposes by various people. Sex can be holy (as in the

> various traditions of sacred sexuality), or it can be disgusting (as

> in many forms of pornography), or it can be completely neutral --

> which it mostly is once it becomes a commodity.

>

> Maybe I have missed something; maybe I am not red-blooded enough or

> whatever -- but to me, there is just nothing especially sexy about

> Madonna or Britney or Janet Jackson engaged in whatever

> supposedly "provocative" pose or activity they've dreamed up to move

> product at the CD shop. It's like looking at a flashy car or a yacht;

> of course it's attractive in its own way, but at the end of the day

> it's just something else for sale.

>

> DB

>

> , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote:

> > I don't understand why a whole thread goes on and on and on

> for a

> >week at least about eating shit and drinking urine and still

> everyone is afraid

> >to talk about SEX. [...]Now Madonna gets picked on for being

> sexual. I thinkshe should be

> >applauded for having the courage to stand up and be bold abouther

> sexuality while

> >demanding to be in Charge of it as well.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

****It's like looking at a flashy car or a yacht;

of course it's attractive in its own way, but at the end of the day

it's just something else for sale.****

 

This is perhaps another reason why I am not as bothered by Madonna as others. I

honestly think that anyone who is willing to and able to make the money she

does, by doing whatever she does, will likely follow the same footsteps. I like

some of her music, and from time to time I do consider her a bit flakey, but for

the most part, if I had the self-confidence and ability to make money by dancing

on TV or singing, I would. Maybe not in the way that is considered 'sexual',

but in some way.

 

There are perhaps other celebrities that dress relatively skimpier than Madonna,

but...no one seems to really notice them. I can also safely say that there are

other shocking individuals that I see ignored - I guess the fact that not all of

them are pop artists makes a difference, I do not know...I just see a trend in

the States that says: "Find what you can on each pop-artist out there, nitpick

them to death, butt in their personal lives, and use everything against them!"

It does not make sense to me.

 

Now, I think I recalled someone saying how some of these artists are, for lack

of better words, "immoral" models for children, as well as the rest of society

(please call me down if I am taking anything out of context). I agree...and

fully understand that viewpoint, but I think that is partly the parents' fault

for not watching their children in their times of greatest need. I am not

pointing fingers at anyone, but I have lived in a rent's household a year ago,

with children that were NEVER watched by their parents. Sure, they would listen

to me, but I could only go so far on teaching them things for they were not my

children and therefore, was not really allowed to do much. The basic setting:

parents leave for work, children leave for school, children get home from

school, mother gets home late and does not spend much time with them, and mother

and father give the children money just to leave the parents alone.

 

Unfortunately, from my understanding, there are a significant amount of

households that follow this example. Granted, I am not saying that we should

have sex on every channel, and whatnot, but those children are bound to find

something if the parents do not wish to take a step to making sure they are

mature enough for the "mature" things, and so forth...

 

Sorry, this subject got me on a ramble...I just feel strongly that parents need

to spend a bit more time with their kids nowadays than they have been.

Otherwise, children really have no one else to look to as a model for anything,

whether it be morals, spiritual development, and so forth; thus, they will turn

to the media to find a substitute for those needs. That is my theory on this,

anyway.

 

 

 

Blessings,

An'ya