Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 In a message dated 1/17/2005 4:14:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, sephirah5 writes: > Actually, Cathie, I notice here that you completely > missed the whole point of this post: I was talking > about how a sixty-year old career counselor for very > young adults (fourteen-year-olds) was actually > presenting them with this sort of career, and even > actively pushing it at them with promises of earning > obscene amounts of money. oh! That point i Did miss... i thought you meant he was advising them to go into the porn industry. butyou are saying he was advising them to go into becoming a musical performer? oh that is a Big cultural myth. that's a heavy head trip for kids growing up these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 In a message dated 1/17/2005 4:14:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, sephirah5 writes: > Our daughters are now > actively being recruited right in their schools by the > pimps and pornographers of the world and barely anyone > caught this fact, even when it was spelled out for > them in black and white. Yet the universal reaction is > Good God Lilith get a GRIP. There are NO porn recruiters and pimps in the public schools in MY town. i have substitute taught at these schools. My daughter's teachers are exemplary. OF course they should not be recruitng for that in school and they should not be advertising for sex drugs on prime time tv and the complications of the four hour long erection. I do not consider you in the position to advise me on how to be a better mother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 In a message dated 1/17/2005 4:14:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, sephirah5 writes: > how a sixty-year old career counselor for very > young adults (fourteen-year-olds) was actually > presenting them with this sort of career, and even > actively pushing it at them with promises of earning > obscene amounts of money. It is one thing to talk to > eighteens-and-over about this, but to be waving it > under the noses of very impressionable, very young > women, already dazzled by the media that puts such a > glossy, glamourous false front over the horrifying > reality of the world of prostitution and porn, is > incredibly evil and immoral, to my way of thinking. I > yess Lilith that is EVIL evil let's Root it OuT. i would be PISSED if that went down in my daughter's school i'd take her OUT of school. but what does that have to do with Madonna ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 In a message dated 1/17/2005 4:14:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, sephirah5 writes: > Our daughters are now > actively being recruited right in their schools by the > pimps and pornographers of the world and barely anyone > caught this fact, even when it was spelled out for > them in black and white. Lilith, I am a real mother ina real school, who knows other real mothers, all concerned mothers, and i guarantee you, MY daughter is not now being recruited in her school by pimps and pornographers and if this is happening in any school it should be Stopped. But WHAT does it have to do with Madonna ??? Cathie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 In a message dated 1/17/2005 4:14:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, sephirah5 writes: > "Why does God allow such things to happen?" > God doesn't allow it; WE DO. If I had my way, any such > person peddling such evil to my child would find > himself roped to a chair with me standing over him, > with a brazier by my side and a red-hot poker in hand, > asking him "Who are your bosses?". But that's just me > again, of course, trying to point out that "The sky is > falling! The sky is falling!.... > Lilith M. > > Good Point Lilith, And you can lead the way. Maybe you should write a letter to sixty minutes or 20/20 to get a piece done on it. Maybe you can CHANGE it. I suuppose it might happen in some inner city schools, maybe somewhere, but it is NOT happening in our local public school systems i can guarantee you. My mother was a teacher in that school system, I grew up through it and now my daughter has and the school district here is such that her highschool was written up in Time magazine front page story when they built it. Also, regarding alcohol and teens: Every so often I hear a tragic story of some beautiful teen young woman who has died from overconsumption of alcohol. In our country drinking is too much of a "sport" - Teens do not need to be drinking and the teenagers i know do NOT drink they are model young adults and will make the world a better place to be. It should be so for All children everywhere they should have not rigid authoritarian strict controls and not laizezz faiiree (:sp?) everything goes, but common sense parenting with respect, care, and love. Cathie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Actually, Cathie, I notice here that you completely missed the whole point of this post: I was talking about how a sixty-year old career counselor for very young adults (fourteen-year-olds) was actually presenting them with this sort of career, and even actively pushing it at them with promises of earning obscene amounts of money. It is one thing to talk to eighteens-and-over about this, but to be waving it under the noses of very impressionable, very young women, already dazzled by the media that puts such a glossy, glamourous false front over the horrifying reality of the world of prostitution and porn, is incredibly evil and immoral, to my way of thinking. I will be completely blunt here and say that I am quite shocked to discover that someone like yourself, who has actually been in contact with this dreadful underbelly aspect, and who professes to have such insight into things, AND who is a mother of a daughter herself!!!! could have completely missed this point I am trying to make! It never ceases to amaze me how supposedly aware and insightful humans can completely overlook the more frightening long-term implications of this seemingly innocuous incident. I will have to spell it out for you, I suppose: Our daughters are now actively being recruited right in their schools by the pimps and pornographers of the world and barely anyone caught this fact, even when it was spelled out for them in black and white. Yet the universal reaction is to stand around wringing our hands when we hear about yet another arrest of some well-known person as a pedophile or serial killer of young women and asking ourselves "Why does God allow such things to happen?" God doesn't allow it; WE DO. If I had my way, any such person peddling such evil to my child would find himself roped to a chair with me standing over him, with a brazier by my side and a red-hot poker in hand, asking him "Who are your bosses?". But that's just me again, of course, trying to point out that "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!.... Lilith M. --- SophiasHeaven wrote: > Less than five years ago, I knew a woman who > worked as a lap dancer in a > strip club. Granted I would NOT advise Anyone to > work such a job but, in fact > this young woman did. She did not complain about > being abused in her > profession. She had a boyfriend who knew her > profession who was neither a pimp or a > drug dealer. I"m not saying such jobs are to be > recommended or highly sought > after, but, I will always believe in the personal > freedom of anybody to use > their own body to make money if they can. Why can > we prostitute our minds to the > advertising industry, and oh but if some woman > prostitutes her body. I'ts > ALMOST as if we value her body MOREsoe than her > mind, since we as a society > could care Less if she prostitutes her mind. > Less than five years ago, or approximately > that long ago, I knew a > hooker once (not the same woman as the lap dancer). > What pathetic case that was. > She had been kidnappped she said, by friends of her > ex husband to get "even" > with her. drugged and sold into sex-slavery as a > hoooker. Finally she "woke > up" one day and drug herself free to a friends house > where she did "rehabe' > on her couch. That was the world of the hijacked > street hooker. > So far as I know neither of these women had > any "madonna" influence > affecting their "career choices" > IN my impression of madonnna and her music, i > do NOT see a cult > following of her among the younger generation in > fact the younger generation seem to > care LESS about madonna and it seems to me she draws > the older women at least > college aged, who have a value toward freedom about > their sexuality, but > absolutely NO tendency nor desire to be either > strippers or hookers... > I seriously Doubt a trip to the local > present-time strip bar, would > reveal a hoard of madonna followers. I seriously > Doubt she intends to send out > the image of free, wholesale sex. Rather, she seems > to be political in an > artsy kind of basic way, about sex and power > dynamics in a way that says women > should reClaim their freedom and their power and NOT > give it away wholesale to > Men ... > > maybe i have misunderstood something, > peace, > cathie > In a message dated 1/16/2005 5:56:13 PM Mountain > Standard Time, > sephirah5 writes: > > > Further to my remarks about how Madonna's > exploiting > > and glamourizing certain images for "shock value" > > among the youth of today to further her career has > > measurably contributed to the weakening of moral > fibre > > in society, giving momentum to the rise in child > > pornography,(sort of a "butterfly causing typhoon" > > effect), I just yesterday caught an article on > , > > where a sixty-year-old male career counsellor was > > addressing a group of EIGHTH > GRADERS,(fourteen-year > > olds) and not only mentioned "stripping" as a > viable > > career option, he even enumerated the financial > > benefits at some length, and actually told them > that > > if they got silicone implants, they could expect > to > > make even more money. Now, as a former stripper > > myself, I can tell you I would NEVER advise anyone > to > > get into the stripping business nowadays, much > less > > push it to anyone(and especially NOT children!) as > a > > "career option"!!! Sure, one can make a lot of > money, > > but unlike the way it was back when I was into > it,it > > is now simply glorified prostitution. Back when I > was > > working, strippers stayed on the stage, and came > > nowhere near the audience, and the customers were > > expected to keep their distance. Now, strippers > are > > expected to make full contact and allow the > customers > > to finger them, plus the pressure to get implants > is > > CONSTANT. I hung it all up when "table dancing" > put in > > an appearance around the early 80s; I knew this > was > > the start of a downhill slide for the business as > a > > whole, and I was exactly right, in SPADES. (I can > also > > tell you that my previous boyfriend once passed on > to > > me the body lice he picked up from some lap > dancer) > > Drugs are rampant in the business like never > before, > > and numbers of drug dealers hang about the strip > bars > > like vultures, never mind the pimps and porn > scouts, > > preying on all the foolish young women with too > much > > money and not enough sense to see what is really > going > > on!... I have to wonder if this guy was secretly > > subsidized by the plastic surgeons/porn > > peddlers/clubowners/pimps (or all of the above!), > to > > make such a presentation in front of children, to > > ensure the ongoing supply of "fresh meat"! > > But, I am sure I am just getting fussed over > > nothing again as usual; this will not surprise or > > disturb anyone here as much as it did me; after > all, > > we are all free to make our own choices, and pimps > and > > porn peddlers have a right to exist and make a > living > > just like anyone else, and Devi must have her > reasons > > for all this... > > Lilith M. > > --- Lili Masamura <sephirah5 wrote: > > > > >Oh, the crucifix props were squawked about plenty > at > > >the time..I remember the Church all up in arms > over > > >that one, and everybody snickering. At the time, > I > > >remember thinking she would eventually do the > family > > >thing and then run back to the Church and > brown-nose > > >the Pope, and I was right about that, too. I > suppose > > >she dropped the Indian thing because of all those > > >icky > > >teachings about karma and renouncing the > > >material...Now her latest religious trip is > trying > > >to > > >get everyone to wear little red strings and > > >celebrate > > >Passover, and making "pilgrimages" to Israel. If > she > > >keeps that up in the public eye, she is liable to > > >have > > >a few irate Palestinians bearing gifts attend her > > >concerts, which will end her career with a BANG. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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