re: Karma

January 18, 2005

I do not believe now nor will i Ever believe that those who participated in

the Crusades are exempt from karma. I don't care Who they were fighting for

it was Wrong and, I don't know what their individual karmas will be about it,

and i don't believe karma is as simple as "punishment" and i don't tend to

think like that except when i'm morbidly depressed.

You of all people Lilith, should understand the neeed for a Mother/Father

Goddess/God to be serious with His/Her children and teach them to be good by

finding ways to help them understand it is wrong to murder people in the name of

God.

Peace,

Cathie

In a message dated 1/17/2005 7:32:05 PM Mountain Standard Time,

paulie-rainbow writes:

> For instance: when the

> >Crusaders were fighting for God, they were exempted

> >from their karma, but the moment one of them succumbed

> >to greed, and took that piece of jewelry or that money

> >pouch from his victims'corpses, and put it in his

> >pocket, it was no longer a "Holy" war from then on,

> >but a war for personal gain!

> > Lilith M.

> >#################################################

>

> Were they still exempt from karma when they succumbed cannibalism?

>

January 18, 2005

In a message dated 1/18/2005 9:11:22 AM Mountain Standard Time,

detective_mongo_phd writes:

> Only the Absolute is free of karma. There are also meditation karmas.

What's "meditation karmas"?

January 18, 2005

In a message dated 1/18/2005 8:56:56 AM Mountain Standard Time,

ammasmon writes:

> True. This only means that the they were under the Gods' protection,

> if they expressed devotion to God.

I do not believe God told them to go have an Inquisition, and therefor they

were not doing it "for God" but for their own misguided reasons. Maybe Diving

Providence will give each person what he/she needs to help them understand

that this is so -- so they will see that God did not want an Inquisition it was

not God's Inquisition.

Hitlar thought he was doing good too.

I do not believe there is no justice/karma for the insane either. One way or

another Everybody has to know it is not ok for a mother to drown her own

children.

Blessings of the Goddess,

Cathie

January 18, 2005

In a message dated 1/18/2005 8:56:56 AM Mountain Standard Time,

ammasmon writes:

> God is teaching them, patiently and slowly, without a doubt, using

> the tools of Unconditional Love and Witnessing, and who knows how

> many other tools. Anyway (from God's perspective of timelessness),

> why the hurry in teaching? We (limited in time and space) minds

> would like see everyone "taught" within our lifetimes of 50-100

> years, but God's lifetime is billions of years, really speaking

> infinite time.

This I agree with. Yet God is not always patient and kind. God can be

ruthless. Even Jesus, who everybody likes to make into a sugary piece of cake,

says things like "nation will rise against nation" and "i come not to bring

peace but a sword."

You truly believe the crimes of the inquisition will not warrent any karma,

you have got something all wrong. I do not believe it.

That being said, I do not think of karma as punishment but as lessons. Some

lessons are not so easy. There is a lot of pain and suffereing in the world.

Things are not so simple as "stupidity insanity or arrogance masquerading as

faith in God and devotion to God, get's one off the hook for karma...

I will never believe it.

Peace,

Cathie

January 18, 2005

In a message dated 1/18/2005 11:20:21 AM Mountain Standard Time,

kochu1tz writes:

> a true blood shakta IS excempted from Karma as long as he does bhoo shuddhi

> and bhootashuddhi.

What's shuddhi and bhootashuddhi?

and having asked that, I would also remark, I seriuosly doubt the inquisitors

were "true shaktas" -- isn't a shakta a hindu shaman who is devoted to

Shakti???

blessings of the Goddeess,

cathie

January 18, 2005

Hi Cathie,

What Lilith said is true, as per what I understand. Before you baulk

in shock and anguish, try and understand the "game" that life is,

for lack of a better word. .

Lilith said "were fighting for God, ... exempt from karma ....".

True. This only means that the they were under the Gods' protection,

if they expressed devotion to God. This is God's unconditionality

towards his devotees, forget about the "injustice" for the time

being.

She also said that the moment it became a "personal gain" they felt

the karma. That is also true ... when God ceased to be the reason

for the war, and the reason became selfish gain, then automatic and

immediate and impersonal cause-effect took over (because it ceased

to be God's work). There is no selfishness on God's part, instead

look at it as God's magnanimity for allowing a person to have

a "free will" and thereby the consequences too.

As regards your point about "teaching them", here is where I make

the distinction between "karma" and "prarabhdha". "Lack of Karma"

or "Karma not affecting you" does not necessarily mean your time

here is done. Your time here is done only if you have learned all

your lessons. .... For that reason, such folks (who think they are

doing God's work, even if you think that work is obnoxious) are

protected but still learning and hence still alive (and will take

more births).

God is teaching them, patiently and slowly, without a doubt, using

the tools of Unconditional Love and Witnessing, and who knows how

many other tools. Anyway (from God's perspective of timelessness),

why the hurry in teaching? We (limited in time and space) minds

would like see everyone "taught" within our lifetimes of 50-100

years, but God's lifetime is billions of years, really speaking

infinite time.

There is time till the maha-pralaya (great dissolution) of the

universe to teach, and also the next maha-yuga and so on, so rest

assured about the edification of "us people".

Jai Ma!

, SophiasHeaven@a... wrote:

>

> I do not believe now nor will i Ever believe that those who

participated in

> the Crusades are exempt from karma. I don't care Who they were

fighting for

> it was Wrong and, I don't know what their individual karmas will

be about it,

> and i don't believe karma is as simple as "punishment" and i don't

tend to

> think like that except when i'm morbidly depressed.

> You of all people Lilith, should understand the neeed for a

Mother/Father

> Goddess/God to be serious with His/Her children and teach them to

be good by

> finding ways to help them understand it is wrong to murder people

in the name of

> God.

>

> Peace,

> Cathie

> In a message dated 1/17/2005 7:32:05 PM Mountain Standard Time,

> paulie-rainbow@u... writes:

>

> > For instance: when the

> > >Crusaders were fighting for God, they were exempted

> > >from their karma, but the moment one of them succumbed

> > >to greed, and took that piece of jewelry or that money

> > >pouch from his victims'corpses, and put it in his

> > >pocket, it was no longer a "Holy" war from then on,

> > >but a war for personal gain!

> > > Lilith M.

> > >#################################################

January 18, 2005

Only the Absolute is free of karma. There are also meditation karmas.

-

manoj_menon

Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:54 AM

Re: Karma

Hi Cathie,

What Lilith said is true, as per what I understand. Before you baulk

in shock and anguish, try and understand the "game" that life is,

for lack of a better word. .

Lilith said "were fighting for God, ... exempt from karma ....".

True. This only means that the they were under the Gods' protection,

if they expressed devotion to God. This is God's unconditionality

towards his devotees, forget about the "injustice" for the time

being.

She also said that the moment it became a "personal gain" they felt

the karma. That is also true ... when God ceased to be the reason

for the war, and the reason became selfish gain, then automatic and

immediate and impersonal cause-effect took over (because it ceased

to be God's work). There is no selfishness on God's part, instead

look at it as God's magnanimity for allowing a person to have

a "free will" and thereby the consequences too.

As regards your point about "teaching them", here is where I make

the distinction between "karma" and "prarabhdha". "Lack of Karma"

or "Karma not affecting you" does not necessarily mean your time

here is done. Your time here is done only if you have learned all

your lessons. .... For that reason, such folks (who think they are

doing God's work, even if you think that work is obnoxious) are

protected but still learning and hence still alive (and will take

more births).

God is teaching them, patiently and slowly, without a doubt, using

the tools of Unconditional Love and Witnessing, and who knows how

many other tools. Anyway (from God's perspective of timelessness),

why the hurry in teaching? We (limited in time and space) minds

would like see everyone "taught" within our lifetimes of 50-100

years, but God's lifetime is billions of years, really speaking

infinite time.

There is time till the maha-pralaya (great dissolution) of the

universe to teach, and also the next maha-yuga and so on, so rest

assured about the edification of "us people".

Jai Ma!

, SophiasHeaven@a... wrote:

>

> I do not believe now nor will i Ever believe that those who

participated in

> the Crusades are exempt from karma. I don't care Who they were

fighting for

> it was Wrong and, I don't know what their individual karmas will

be about it,

> and i don't believe karma is as simple as "punishment" and i don't

tend to

> think like that except when i'm morbidly depressed.

> You of all people Lilith, should understand the neeed for a

Mother/Father

> Goddess/God to be serious with His/Her children and teach them to

be good by

> finding ways to help them understand it is wrong to murder people

in the name of

> God.

>

> Peace,

> Cathie

> In a message dated 1/17/2005 7:32:05 PM Mountain Standard Time,

> paulie-rainbow@u... writes:

>

> > For instance: when the

> > >Crusaders were fighting for God, they were exempted

> > >from their karma, but the moment one of them succumbed

> > >to greed, and took that piece of jewelry or that money

> > >pouch from his victims'corpses, and put it in his

> > >pocket, it was no longer a "Holy" war from then on,

> > >but a war for personal gain!

> > > Lilith M.

> > >#################################################

Links

/

b..

c..

January 18, 2005

a true blood shakta IS excempted from Karma as long as he does bhoo shuddhi and

bhootashuddhi.

Detective_Mongo_Phd <detective_mongo_phd wrote:Only the Absolute is

free of karma. There are also meditation karmas.

-

manoj_menon

Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:54 AM

Re: Karma

Hi Cathie,

What Lilith said is true, as per what I understand. Before you baulk

in shock and anguish, try and understand the "game" that life is,

for lack of a better word. .

Lilith said "were fighting for God, ... exempt from karma ....".

True. This only means that the they were under the Gods' protection,

if they expressed devotion to God. This is God's unconditionality

towards his devotees, forget about the "injustice" for the time

being.

She also said that the moment it became a "personal gain" they felt

the karma. That is also true ... when God ceased to be the reason

for the war, and the reason became selfish gain, then automatic and

immediate and impersonal cause-effect took over (because it ceased

to be God's work). There is no selfishness on God's part, instead

look at it as God's magnanimity for allowing a person to have

a "free will" and thereby the consequences too.

As regards your point about "teaching them", here is where I make

the distinction between "karma" and "prarabhdha". "Lack of Karma"

or "Karma not affecting you" does not necessarily mean your time

here is done. Your time here is done only if you have learned all

your lessons. .... For that reason, such folks (who think they are

doing God's work, even if you think that work is obnoxious) are

protected but still learning and hence still alive (and will take

more births).

God is teaching them, patiently and slowly, without a doubt, using

the tools of Unconditional Love and Witnessing, and who knows how

many other tools. Anyway (from God's perspective of timelessness),

why the hurry in teaching? We (limited in time and space) minds

would like see everyone "taught" within our lifetimes of 50-100

years, but God's lifetime is billions of years, really speaking

infinite time.

There is time till the maha-pralaya (great dissolution) of the

universe to teach, and also the next maha-yuga and so on, so rest

assured about the edification of "us people".

Jai Ma!

, SophiasHeaven@a... wrote:

>

> I do not believe now nor will i Ever believe that those who

participated in

> the Crusades are exempt from karma. I don't care Who they were

fighting for

> it was Wrong and, I don't know what their individual karmas will

be about it,

> and i don't believe karma is as simple as "punishment" and i don't

tend to

> think like that except when i'm morbidly depressed.

> You of all people Lilith, should understand the neeed for a

Mother/Father

> Goddess/God to be serious with His/Her children and teach them to

be good by

> finding ways to help them understand it is wrong to murder people

in the name of

> God.

>

> Peace,

> Cathie

> In a message dated 1/17/2005 7:32:05 PM Mountain Standard Time,

> paulie-rainbow@u... writes:

>

> > For instance: when the

> > >Crusaders were fighting for God, they were exempted

> > >from their karma, but the moment one of them succumbed

> > >to greed, and took that piece of jewelry or that money

> > >pouch from his victims'corpses, and put it in his

> > >pocket, it was no longer a "Holy" war from then on,

> > >but a war for personal gain!

> > > Lilith M.

> > >#################################################

Links

/

b..

c..

Sponsor

document.write('');

/

The all-new My – What will yours do?

January 18, 2005

1. Bhooshuddhi and bhootashddhi are two rituals involving complicated meditation

that forms part of daily pracice of shaktas. These are practiced by the

initiates.

2. INo i do not think inquisitors were "shaktas" or anything else that matters

*smile*

SophiasHeaven wrote:

In a message dated 1/18/2005 11:20:21 AM Mountain Standard Time,

kochu1tz writes:

> a true blood shakta IS excempted from Karma as long as he does bhoo shuddhi

and bhootashuddhi.

What's shuddhi and bhootashuddhi?

and having asked that, I would also remark, I seriuosly doubt the inquisitors

were "true shaktas" -- isn't a shakta a hindu shaman who is devoted to

Shakti???

blessings of the Goddeess,

cathie

/

Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more.

January 18, 2005

I mean that even subtle fluctuations of mind and emotion are also karma. Only

the supremely silent container of consciousness itself is free of all taint.And

that container is more like the space inside the vase than the vase itself.

-

SophiasHeaven

Tuesday, January 18, 2005 1:30 PM

Re: Re: Karma

In a message dated 1/18/2005 9:11:22 AM Mountain Standard Time,

detective_mongo_phd writes:

> Only the Absolute is free of karma. There are also meditation karmas.

What's "meditation karmas"?

/

b..

c..

January 19, 2005

93

> SophiasHeaven@a... wrote:

-- isn't a shakta a hindu shaman who is devoted to Shakti???

No. A shaman may be a shakta, but not every shakta is a shaman .

However yes, every true shakta is devoted to Shakti - by definition.

A.

January 19, 2005

, SophiasHeaven@a... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2005 8:56:56 AM Mountain Standard Time,

> ammasmon@s... writes:

>

> > God is teaching them, patiently and slowly, without a doubt,

using

> > the tools of Unconditional Love and Witnessing, and who knows

how

> > many other tools. Anyway (from God's perspective of

timelessness),

> > why the hurry in teaching? We (limited in time and space) minds

> > would like see everyone "taught" within our lifetimes of 50-100

> > years, but God's lifetime is billions of years, really speaking

> > infinite time.

>

> This I agree with. Yet God is not always patient and kind. God

can be

> ruthless. Even Jesus, who everybody likes to make into a sugary

piece of cake,

> says things like "nation will rise against nation" and "i come

not to bring

> peace but a sword."

The ruthlessness is only seemingly so. we experience it as such

because of the duality we are in. In Oneness, all actions will be

perceived as nothing but love. (this is not my experience yet, but I

beileve by it).

August 18, 2006

she said, "You have no good karma which I can make into better

>prosperity for you. From where can I therefore get you anything?

>Nonetheless, I have given you some extra tidbits in your soup. If you want

>to make your life better so that I may help you in the future then you must

>accrue some better karma. "

>

How many believe in Karma. My humble question is are there set of rules to

accrue better karma and nullify bad karma?

This is the statement that I am repeating from internet.

If karma theory is real then the population that live below poverty line are

victim of their own bad karma. This was asked in reference to India. raji.

August 18, 2006

If karma theory is real then the population that live below poverty line are

> victim of their own bad karma. This was asked in reference to India. raji.

----Knowledge of karma should be viewed as the study of medicine for

alliviating future distress like a cure, rather than for lying on a mat

feeling all fuzzy about ones present limitations. The concept of karma has

been explained exhaustively in all Eastern philosophical circles. Knowledge

of karma is always towards making a better life instead of just being

content with things as they are. Thus, karma has foremostly been taught to

refer to the cyclical nature of samsara for liberation thencefrom, rather

than for making excuses about why one should strive for betterment. All

people, even those most poor have the ability to become better and make

better choices. First ingredient for doing so is intention to become

liberated. Karma will change based on ones inner aspiration, before any

outer action.

August 18, 2006

>

>-- All people, even those most poor have the ability to become better and

>make

>better choices. First ingredient for doing so is intention to become

>liberated. Karma will change based on ones inner aspiration, before any

>outer action.

>

I totall agree to the above logic. Recently, I was in Bangkok - it is

sharp contrast to what I saw 20yrs back, I asked my guide to explain why I

donot see begging bowl in Bangkok. SHE replied. Governemnt has come up with

a policy - if they see such people they are put in a shelter home where they

are not paid in cash, instead they are given shelter and food along with

occupational training like weaving silk, handicraft etc. These product they

sell to public and tourist. How simple and clever solution to a problem - I

thought. Two birds are shot with one arrow. Cheap labour atthe same time no

idle brain and income to governemnt. Can't this be implemented in India

- where begging bowl use democracy as their safety net to stay on the

street not wanting to work. This is where the difference between democracy

and other system comes.

How do you go about explaining karma theory with recent Mumbai Blast. Many

well to do middle class lost their bread winners.

August 19, 2006

Rajeshwari asked,

"How do you go about explaining karma theory with recent Mumbai

Blast. Many well to do middle class lost their bread winners"

I was a lot disturbed while I was in college, about the sufferings in

this world. I went about asking questions to people. Why is this world

full of sufferings? Why innocent people are punished? A child just

because born in a family in a slum, it suffers, not due to its fault.

One day one person told me, "your question is like asking 'Why milk is

white'. It is like that." Suddenly that light flashed through my

brain.

The problem starts when we want to explain everything with our logic.

Many things cannot be explained with logic. Karma theory is a logical

explanation of what happens in this world. It is perfectly logical to

be illogical in some instances. We need a sixth sense to understand

these. It is like being in this world with only four senses without

eye sigh. Imagine things that we cannot explain, will be explained by

a person with eye sight. But we will not be able to understand or

accept them because we are not even aware of the FIFTH sense.

Understanding and explaining is at the intellectual (budhi) level.

Thing beyond the budhi tatva cannot be explained with budhi.

Taranandanatha

August 19, 2006

Nicely said.

-

Nanda

Saturday, August 19, 2006 3:43 AM