Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 According to writings from Mata Amritananda-mayi (a.k.a. Ammachi), initiates of Shri Vidya either worship Tripurasundari ("Shri Kula") or Kali ("Kali Kula"). Is this the source of the Samaya/Kaula split that some of you have been going on about? Isn't there also a tradition of worshipping Lakshmi as Queen of the Shri Chakra? Where does that fit in? Ammachi goes on to explain that Tripurasundari's consort is Dakshinamurti, Shiva as the bliss-inducing Silent Guru (who appears to be very traditionally Vedic). Kali's consort is Bhairava, Shiva as the frightening mendicant wanderer (very Tantric, apparently). How is Bhairava worshipped? Do you Kaula Shri Vidya initiates worship him? And how do I reconcile a site I found online which says that Kala Bhairava grants boons, but also accrues negative karma for his devotees -- making him sound very similar to the Western Satan? -- Len/ Kalipadma The all-new My - Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 93, , Len Rosenberg > According to writings from Mata Amritananda-mayi > (a.k.a. Ammachi), initiates of Shri Vidya either > worship Tripurasundari ("Shri Kula") or Kali ("Kali > Kula"). With all respect to Ammachi, this is not proper (or maybe it is mere misunderstanding of what she wrote). Kali-kula is a "separate" tradition with it's own gurus and shastras. Although, some masters and some upasakas were and are initiated into both; and some texts are almost equally authorative for both schools. Is this the source of the Samaya/Kaula split > that some of you have been going on about? No. The matter discussed was regarding to Shri-vidya itself only. > Isn't there also a tradition of worshipping Lakshmi as > Queen of the Shri Chakra? Where does that fit in? Yes, She is worshipped in Shrichakra. At least in south indian SV tradition it is so. > Ammachi goes on to explain that Tripurasundari's > consort is Dakshinamurti, Shiva as the bliss-inducing > Silent Guru (who appears to be very traditionally > Vedic). Kali's consort is Bhairava, Shiva as the > frightening mendicant wanderer (very Tantric, > apparently). However Ananda-bhairava is also associated with Tripurasundari. In general Kali-kula is indeed somewhat more extreme, at least as it is viewed by outsiders. > How is Bhairava worshipped? Do you Kaula Shri Vidya > initiates worship him? Bhairava is worshipped in all kaula traditions in this or that way, be it Kali-kula, Tara, Shri-vidya or Kubjika. And how do I reconcile a site > I found online which says that Kala Bhairava grants > boons, but also accrues negative karma for his > devotees -- making him sound very similar to the > Western Satan? That is seemingly some kind of "new age" nonsense )... Regards, A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Here i go again (sory ,if am am boring with my crap) but, imho , every and any action brings karma ,) negative or positive is something debatable), unless one has REALISED , and is above all karmas regards JAI AMBEY MAHAKALI SHREE KAAL BHAIRAVAYA NAMAH, rajat , Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108> wrote: > > According to writings from Mata Amritananda-mayi > (a.k.a. Ammachi), initiates of Shri Vidya either > worship Tripurasundari ("Shri Kula") or Kali ("Kali > Kula"). Is this the source of the Samaya/Kaula split > that some of you have been going on about? > > Isn't there also a tradition of worshipping Lakshmi as > Queen of the Shri Chakra? Where does that fit in? > > Ammachi goes on to explain that Tripurasundari's > consort is Dakshinamurti, Shiva as the bliss-inducing > Silent Guru (who appears to be very traditionally > Vedic). Kali's consort is Bhairava, Shiva as the > frightening mendicant wanderer (very Tantric, > apparently). > > How is Bhairava worshipped? Do you Kaula Shri Vidya > initiates worship him? And how do I reconcile a site > I found online which says that Kala Bhairava grants > boons, but also accrues negative karma for his > devotees -- making him sound very similar to the > Western Satan? > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > > > > > The all-new My - Get yours free! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Never heard that about Bhairava, but if karma acrues then it must be in a relative form of Shiva. Karma acrues to most action though, especially selfish action. Nonetheless, as all these forms of Godhead are really glyphs of the Supreme, nameless reality of the Absolute pure awareness as experienced in various samadhis, I would take any relative description with a grain. - Len Rosenberg Monday, January 31, 2005 2:40 AM Bhairava According to writings from Mata Amritananda-mayi (a.k.a. Ammachi), initiates of Shri Vidya either worship Tripurasundari ("Shri Kula") or Kali ("Kali Kula"). Is this the source of the Samaya/Kaula split that some of you have been going on about? Isn't there also a tradition of worshipping Lakshmi as Queen of the Shri Chakra? Where does that fit in? Ammachi goes on to explain that Tripurasundari's consort is Dakshinamurti, Shiva as the bliss-inducing Silent Guru (who appears to be very traditionally Vedic). Kali's consort is Bhairava, Shiva as the frightening mendicant wanderer (very Tantric, apparently). How is Bhairava worshipped? Do you Kaula Shri Vidya initiates worship him? And how do I reconcile a site I found online which says that Kala Bhairava grants boons, but also accrues negative karma for his devotees -- making him sound very similar to the Western Satan? -- Len/ Kalipadma The all-new My - Get yours free! Sponsor Children International Would you give Hope to a Child in need? · Click Here to meet a Girl And Give Her Hope · Click Here to meet a Boy And Change His Life Learn More Links / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 According to Dr.Robert Svoboda in the "Shani Mahatmya" (The Greatness of Saturn), Kala Bhairava (The Great Black Terrifier)is the Deity of the graha or planetary force of Shani, or Saturn, personified as an elderly, dark-skinned Shudra oil-presser. Since Saturn is the planet who regulates one's karmas, this may account for the idea of a connection between Kala Bhairava and accruing negative karma. It may be that any carelessness or error in the worship of Kala Bhairava "annoys" Saturn and results in negative karmic reactions, since Saturn rules discipline, and thus would look upon any lack of it in the worship of Kala Bhairava as disrespect, and so would take measures to punish the offenders in his own fashion. This may all sound rather absurd, but anyone who has had any experience with the planetary grahas can tell you they are definitely capable of such things! Lilith M. --- Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 wrote: Kali's consort is Bhairava, Shiva as the > frightening mendicant wanderer (very Tantric, > apparently). > > How is Bhairava worshipped? Do you Kaula Shri Vidya > initiates worship him? And how do I reconcile a > site > I found online which says that Kala Bhairava grants > boons, but also accrues negative karma for his > devotees -- making him sound very similar to the > Western Satan? > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > > > > > The all-new My - Get yours free! > > > > Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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