Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Pradeep wrote [1]"I read through lalitopakhyana quickly" Perhaps you should spend more time and read the lalithopakhyana thoroughly and try to understand the esoteric meanings, and then followed by the Lalitha Sahasranama. More about Lalithopakhyana is in our homepage together with the Lalitha Sahasranama commentary. [2] I have the following question. 1) Is manmatha dead or alive ? (I mean at present, I assume all people reading are in the same universe and in same time)" What do you think? Based from your understanding, during that quickie reading session, Is manmatha dead? "[3] The Homas etc seems to be rather costly to perform since they need waters from five oceans etc" In many of Krisha story, one it is said that he made love to all the Gopi girls. Do you think he did that? "[4] So I would assume only a minute version of these yagas can be performed, otherwise one has to resort to internal yagas (Samaya ?)" What do you think? To me learning should be fun. It should be self discovery and an adventure, only then the learning process will be meaningful. "[5]Help!!" Just as a man sinking in the ocean suddenly finds a boat to rescue him, so also your virtuous actions of the past have now placed you on the most sacred heights of Self-Realization. That DEVI Tripura, who is the conscious core of the heart and therefore knows each one intimately, swiftly rescues Her unswering devotees from the jaws of death, after manifesting Herself in their hearts. Investigation is the Sun for chasting away the dense darkness of indolence. It is generated by the worship of God with devotion. When the Supreme Devi is well pleased with the worship of the devotee. She turn into vichara in him and shines as the blasing sun in the expense of his Heart. Therefore O Rama, the mahatmaya was first revealed to you, having heard it, you have now progressed well. Vichara is the only way to attain the highest Good. If once Vichara takes root,the highest good has for all practical purposes, been reached in this life '{Tripura Rahasya : The secret of the Supreme Goddess ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...> wrote: > My belief is subtle is more free than the gross. This applies to practices which uses the subtler aspects of body, mind as opposed to practices which uses the gross. Even in Lalitopakhyana this is evident. Bhandasura if i remember accomplishes his process of de-kamifying universe by assuming form of air. Gender for me is a construct in the gross body. So too much talk about the supreme was female and lingam coming out of yonis etc is again dabbling in grosser aspects of being. And to top it off you started quoting examples from archaelogy and images of lajja gauri which is even more in the gross realm. All this led me to make the statement that "You understand ShaktiSadhana from a gross level". > > [2] I have the following question. 1) Is manmatha dead or alive ? (I > mean at present, I assume all people reading are in the same > universe and in same time)" > > What do you think? Based from your understanding, during that > quickie reading session, Is manmatha dead? I am asking the present situation, all this happens in cycle. So is manmatha dead or alive now, i dont know. > > "[3] The Homas etc seems to be rather costly to perform since they > need waters from five oceans etc" > > In many of Krisha story, one it is said that he made love to all the > Gopi girls. Do you think he did that? May be, there may be Yogic sidhis which allow one to do that?. Or atleast using techniques in mental field several gopis could be infatuated to a single person. It is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Actually, gender is a function of duality, thus it is found everywhere duality exists. When one goes beyond duality, then "gender" is no longer an issue. It is said we are all female in relation to the ,which penetrates all things. Lilith M. --- pradeep kumar <palakkad_pdeep wrote: > > > , "NMadasamy" > <nmadasamy@s...> wrote: > > > My belief is subtle is more free than the gross. > This applies to > practices which uses the subtler aspects of body, > mind as opposed to > practices which uses the gross. > > Even in Lalitopakhyana this is evident. Bhandasura > if i remember > accomplishes his process of de-kamifying universe by > assuming form of air. > > Gender for me is a construct in the gross body. So > too much talk about > the supreme was female and lingam coming out of > yonis etc is again > dabbling in grosser aspects of being. And to top it > off you started > quoting examples from archaelogy and images of lajja > gauri which is > even more in the gross realm. All this led me to > make the statement > that "You understand ShaktiSadhana from a gross > level". > > > > > > [2] I have the following question. 1) Is manmatha > dead or alive ? (I > > mean at present, I assume all people reading are > in the same > > universe and in same time)" > > > > What do you think? Based from your understanding, > during that > > quickie reading session, Is manmatha dead? > > I am asking the present situation, all this > happens in cycle. So is > manmatha dead or alive now, i dont know. > > > > "[3] The Homas etc seems to be rather costly to > perform since they > > need waters from five oceans etc" > > > > In many of Krisha story, one it is said that he > made love to all the > > Gopi girls. Do you think he did that? > > May be, there may be Yogic sidhis which allow > one to do that?. > Or atleast using techniques in mental field several > gopis could be > infatuated to a single person. It is possible. > > > > > > > > Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Pradeep wrote : Gender for me is a construct in the gross body. So too much talk about the supreme was female and lingam coming out of yonis etc is again dabbling in grosser aspects of being. And to top it off you started quoting examples from archaelogy and images of lajja gauri which is even more in the gross realm. All this led me to make the statement that "You understand Shakti Sadhana from a gross level". But do you understand in the first place what shakti sadhana is all about? Are you into shakti sadhana? If you are not, how can you comment about another? Questions like : do you dress up your husband as devi and worship him, tells me that you actually do not know anything about shakti sadhana or your view about shakti sadhana is different from what I am being taught. Have you ever consider this?. Okay let put this aside. To me you are looking from a very different view. That particular message I posted is all about my own personal experience. Mind you I was reluctant but I feel I must to clear certain issues. Look at the original message , somehow it let to Sex talk again, and all those hullubala about Kaula and Samaya. I, some how still got stuck with the Yoni-lingam image, because in my opinion, image represents something : an idea, an approach, an avenue. But what? I keep on asking myself. I only got a hint : `it siva emerging from Yoni'. It is a new idea to me. Thus a quest to find this understanding. What I did is that I bring forth that image and visualise in my head. I see myself going round and round the yoni-lingam trying to see it from all the different angle. Our mind is like a tape recorder [ from my viewpoint ] and it begans to replay all the others information I have keep buried. Thus Lajjahgauri and many others came into the picture. Suddenly a faint voice from within whisper : "there is not authority text but the LalitopAkhyAna". And thereafter I see myself [ like in a movie ] the whole scene from LalitopAkhyAna. Somehow I got stuck with the scene : The Lalita Parameshwari so manifested, created a male form from within Herself. His name was Kameshwara. And I look again at the yoni-lingam. To me that is the logic : how do you visualise the image "created a male form from within Herself". As Bhasurananda Natha remarked once in his conversation : visualisation is very important and powerful. And like a child , I was so excited, I waited from my guru to come and even before I could finish about my so called "discovery" he remarked : Nora I know what you are about to tell me. Am I looking from the gross level? Pupal Jaykar, writings on insights, touches on the heart of pratyabhjnA. She states : "The Movement of insight a voyage into time, into the past limitless. The awakening of insight demands a seeing, listening, which is the awakening of all the senses simulateneously, so that, in that instant, fragmentation ends. The senses flowing simultaneously is a state of flowering, an awakeness, in which the barriers of the within and without cease. A state that perceives the object, the "what is", with all the senses alive, apprehends object without the perception being held or transformed by object. And so the seeing, listening, continues without obstacles to inhibit it or give it direction. This stream of perception having no banks and no intention is an instant eternity. Insight does not search. It sees the within and the without of objects, grasps it as a whole. This seeing is the creative ground that makes luminous and reveals. In this state the holistic is the perception. Out of this arises insight and skill in action. [with] this insight and skill the manifestation and presencing of the formless is inevitable" Now what do I learnt from this whole experience : [1] the learning process of self discovery, is more meaningful and which will eventually lead one to a more profound experience. [2] never discard new ideas. Just because it does not conform to your idea or what ever you are being taught, you should try to look at it. Try to find an understanding first before we even condemn or push them away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 - > > > But do you understand in the first place what shakti sadhana is all > about? Are you into shakti sadhana? I dont know, i am into enquiry?. All beings have shakti, i see and type, it is my shakti in action. > asking myself. I only got a hint : `it siva emerging from > Yoni'. It All things born of Yoni is karmically bound. By definition Siva is svatantra and above all the karmic malas. So i dont know how shiva can come out of a yoni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 pradeep kumar wrote: All things born of Yoni is karmically bound. By definition Siva is svatantra and above all the karmic malas. So i dont know how shiva can come out of a yoni. That is you what are being taught. You are right in your own way, and neither are we wrong. But As far as Sri Vidya is concern Shakti DID create Shiva based on our permises supported by the scriptures. If you find this hard to swollow, to bad, but please remember that you are in a Shakti group and We are Shaktas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Dear Nora: I think you've finally reached the crux of the problem with Pradeep. I have been silently following this thread from its beginning and have understood for some time that Pradeep is not interested in learning anything about Shakta; he is simply seeking to contradict it with information he's learned elsewhere. Some of his statements -- such as "i dont understand the esoteric meaning, please explain" and "who or what is devi? since you know and i dont know you can educate me" -- are transparently disingenuous and smack of distasteful intellectual pride and smug self-regard. Others -- such as "how many devis are in this group, who can create life without aid of a man?" and "you do not know much about shakti sadhana except only at a very gross level" -- simply show a rude and ill-mannered fellow who doesn't know how to be a guest in another's home. You responded to Pradeep with grace and respect even though these qualities were totally lacking from his posts to you. And you have now brought the conversation to the Truth that any wise person would have understood from the beginning: "You are right in your own way, and neither are we wrong ... You are in a Shakti group and We are Shaktas." What more is there to say? DB , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...> wrote: That is you what are being taught. You are right in your own way, and neither are we wrong. But As far as Sri Vidya is concern Shakti DID create Shiva based on our permises supported by the scriptures. If you find this hard to swollow, to bad, but please remember that you are in a Shakti group and We are Shaktas. > > pradeep kumar wrote: All things born of Yoni is karmically bound. By > definition Siva is svatantra and above all the karmic malas. So i > dont know how shiva can come out of a yoni. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Funny, I didn't see him that way at all, I thought the shoe was on the other foot, in fact. I considered that Nora was the one being rude, by mocking posts she didn't agree with, and Pradeep was poking a little fun at her, trying to burst that ego-bubble. But we all perceive things differently, just as I said before. Lilith M. --- Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote: > > Dear Nora: > > I think you've finally reached the crux of the > problem with Pradeep. > > I have been silently following this thread from its > beginning and > have understood for some time that Pradeep is not > interested in > learning anything about Shakta; he is simply seeking > to contradict > it with information he's learned elsewhere. > > Some of his statements -- such as "i dont understand > the esoteric > meaning, please explain" and "who or what is devi? > since you know > and i dont know you can educate me" -- are > transparently > disingenuous and smack of distasteful intellectual > pride and smug > self-regard. > > Others -- such as "how many devis are in this group, > who can create > life without aid of a man?" and "you do not know > much about shakti > sadhana except only at a very gross level" -- simply > show a rude and > ill-mannered fellow who doesn't know how to be a > guest in another's > home. > > You responded to Pradeep with grace and respect even > though these > qualities were totally lacking from his posts to > you. And you have > now brought the conversation to the Truth that any > wise person would > have understood from the beginning: "You are right > in your own way, > and neither are we wrong ... You are in a Shakti > group and We are > Shaktas." > > What more is there to say? > > DB > > > , "NMadasamy" > <nmadasamy@s...> > wrote: > > That is you what are being taught. You are right in > your own way, > and neither are we wrong. But As far as Sri Vidya is > concern Shakti > DID create Shiva based on our permises supported by > the scriptures. > If you find this hard to swollow, to bad, but please > remember that > you are in a Shakti group and We are Shaktas. > > > > > pradeep kumar wrote: All things born of Yoni is > karmically bound. > By > > definition Siva is svatantra and above all the > karmic malas. So i > > dont know how shiva can come out of a yoni. > > > > > > > > > > The all-new My - What will yours do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 That's for sure. DB , Lili Masamura <sephirah5> wrote: > > Funny, I didn't see him that way at all ... But we all > perceive things differently, just as I said before. > Lilith M. > --- Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta> wrote: > > > > Dear Nora: > > > > I think you've finally reached the crux of the > > problem with Pradeep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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