Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Greeting to all. N> Ganesha born from Lalitha's Third Eye. Please, tell me more about this or tell where I can read. Jai Maa Ambe! -- With respect, RN PsA-Fomalhaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Vanakkam! You can try this link http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/lg/lg_table_of_contents.html Shiv Anurag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 , RN <PsA-Fomalhaut> wrote: > > Greeting to all. > > > N> Ganesha born from Lalitha's Third Eye. > > Please, tell me more about this or tell where I can read. > Shri Ganesha resides in mooladhara,but is is a quality of the third eye...you see?..it's about innocence ,child-like state and forgiveness; danny ps...you have to forgive,in order to enter the kingdom of God(within) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Namaste, The third eye of Lalita is firmly placed in the lap of Uma Parvati, who raised the Vinayaka Ganesha, in the endless non-manifestation of her virile Lord Rudra Shiva, by rubbing her own thigh. Lord Ganapati has become the Shakta's own "little" Shiva; self- generated through the tapasya of Shakti alone. The first Guru is always the Mother, whose own Vidya is Shakta. And so, the first God to be worshipped must always be Shri Ganesha, who is truly the Linga of the Goddess. No intimate communication with Deity can occur without first gaining the attention of Ganesha; and when He is truly pleased, then She will be happily roused and readily disposed to fulfill all desires! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 KAmesvaramukhAlokakalpitasriganesvarA== here the story is not fully explained. It just speaks about the glance that is all what preceded and what happened thereafter is not dealt with. NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: lalitha Sahasranama no 77 : KAmesvaramukhAlokakalpitasriganesvarA Which means : Sri Ganesvara was formed by her glances at KAmesvara Seeing the Devas fettered by magical figures set up by the Daityas, Devi, by merely looking at her husband, gave birth to the great Ganapati whose mantra is the twenty-eight syllables, by which the fettering influences of the magical figures was destroyed and the Devas released. Thus says the Brah Pr. "Then Devi Lalita looking again at the face of her Lord, smiled, and from the rays of that smile a certain god arose, having the head of an elephant with ichor flowing from the temples" Now where did it says about coming from the third eyes : that is from my guru , when he gave me the Maha Ganapathi Mantra and he explain to me how this mantra comes about, the story behind it and the visualisation. Accordingly he said, it is the third eye. Sponsor Children InternationalWould you give Hope to a Child in need? ·Click Here to meet a Girl And Give Her Hope·Click Here to meet a Boy And Change His Life Learn More / Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 But what a pregnant glance it is! A gravid and portentious seed, filled with esoteric meaning, creative intention, and ultimate power! Ganesha is the veritable doorman of heavenly bliss; the servant equally of Shiva and of Shakti. Ganesha protects and controls the unlimited power of this eternal Yugala. Ganesha is the dividing line of the Rishis; the skill of accurate perception; the single-tusked Vinayaka, who with one-pointed devotion to his parents (to Shiva and Parvati, to Rudra and Sati) declared the Veda for all to enjoy. His form is an Auspicious Mountain, and his fearless trumpeting is the very Roar of Truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 But i have a question to which I have no satisfactory answer. (Though I have my own theories). Who is the Ganapati whom sati worshipped when she was going to get married to Shiva? Has any one thought of this? Sarabhanga Giri <sarabhanga wrote: But what a pregnant glance it is! A gravid and portentious seed, filled with esoteric meaning, creative intention, and ultimate power! Ganesha is the veritable doorman of heavenly bliss; the servant equally of Shiva and of Shakti. Ganesha protects and controls the unlimited power of this eternal Yugala. Ganesha is the dividing line of the Rishis; the skill of accurate perception; the single-tusked Vinayaka, who with one-pointed devotion to his parents (to Shiva and Parvati, to Rudra and Sati) declared the Veda for all to enjoy. His form is an Auspicious Mountain, and his fearless trumpeting is the very Roar of Truth! Sponsor Children InternationalWould you give Hope to a Child in need? ·Click Here to meet a Girl And Give Her Hope·Click Here to meet a Boy And Change His Life Learn More / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I would suggest that this Lord of Ganas was the very Rudra-Shiva himself, who was firmly planted in the fertile yoni of the sacred earthen body even before the famous Yagya of Daksha was completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I recall texts that say, before Parvati created his body, Ganapati existed as the spirit of the Aum. -- Len/ Kalipadma --- sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > > But i have a question to which I have no > satisfactory answer. (Though I have my own > theories). Who is the Ganapati whom sati worshipped > when she was going to get married to Shiva? > Has any one thought of this? > > The all-new My - Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Ganapati should mean the leader of Ganas. In this case Sati and Shiva should be humans who are Amsa-avatars of the corresponding gods. And so Sati worshipped the archetype god ganapati existing in the subtle realm. Anyone has a definition for Ganas?. Shiva is Sat and so Sat(i) , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > But i have a question to which I have no satisfactory answer. (Though I have my own theories). Who is the Ganapati whom sati worshipped when she was going to get married to Shiva? > Has any one thought of this? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Namaste, A Gana is something counted or numbered, reckoned or valued, attributed or attendant, ascribed or imagined; a Number, a Flock, a Troop, a Tribe, an Assembly, or a Sect. Anciently, the Ganapati was usually Brihaspati or Indra, then Shiva, and later the Ganesha we know today. The Ganas are the Rudras; and the Ganapati is Rudra himself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 In a message dated 2/5/2005 4:04:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, vimalananda_mouli writes: Anyone has a definition for Ganas?. Shiva is Sat and so Sat(i) Ganas are the attendents of shiva and both pati and isha can be roughly translated as lord so, Gana isha= Ganesh and Gana pati = Ganapati Is there a direct translations for Gana? I'm not sure. In looking through my Bangla and Hindi dictionaries I can only find a similar root meaning to count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 How may rudras are there, i forgot, the Rudras are above karmic malas as i know. Ganapati must be an elephant subtle spirit. Must have power over elements, esp earth element. What do you think?. , "Sarabhanga Giri" <sarabhanga> wrote: > > Namaste, > > A Gana is something counted or numbered, reckoned or valued, > attributed or attendant, ascribed or imagined; a Number, a Flock, a > Troop, a Tribe, an Assembly, or a Sect. > > Anciently, the Ganapati was usually Brihaspati or Indra, then Shiva, > and later the Ganesha we know today. > > The Ganas are the Rudras; and the Ganapati is Rudra himself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Ganas are ghouls. - vimalananda_mouli Friday, February 04, 2005 10:54 PM Re: Sri Ganesha Ganapati should mean the leader of Ganas. In this case Sati and Shiva should be humans who are Amsa-avatars of the corresponding gods. And so Sati worshipped the archetype god ganapati existing in the subtle realm. Anyone has a definition for Ganas?. Shiva is Sat and so Sat(i) , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > But i have a question to which I have no satisfactory answer. (Though I have my own theories). Who is the Ganapati whom sati worshipped when she was going to get married to Shiva? > Has any one thought of this? > > Sponsor Children International Would you give Hope to a Child in need? · Click Here to meet a Girl And Give Her Hope · Click Here to meet a Boy And Change His Life Learn More Links / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Namaste Rudrajoe, Ganas are the many Rudrah, which can be individually numbered. Ganapati is the one great Rudra, who is truly unaccountable. Daksha enumerated the various members of his sacrifice ~ ommitting Rudra Shiva (the Mahadeva), whose great value remains invaluable. Rudra was not counted by rational Daksha, who was held to account for his irrational debit. Ganas are only "ghouls" for those with no firm grasp of Rudra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 In my interpretation, Ganas are the first energy emanations of Shiva in his bhairava aspect. > > Namaste Rudrajoe, > > Ganas are the many Rudrah, which can be individually numbered. > Ganapati is the one great Rudra, who is truly unaccountable. > Daksha enumerated the various members of his sacrifice ~ ommitting > Rudra Shiva (the Mahadeva), whose great value remains invaluable. > Rudra was not counted by rational Daksha, who was held to account for > his irrational debit. > > Ganas are only "ghouls" for those with no firm grasp of Rudra. =============================================================== Monier williams is a very respected dictionary on Sanskrit here is what various elements are defined as in that dictionary. This is the definitions of Gana given in Monier Williams ictionary Gana is defined as:- m. a flock , troop , multitude , number , tribe , series , class (of animate or inanimate beings) , body of followers or attendants RV. AV. &c. troops or classes of inferior deities (especially certain troops of demi-gods considered as S3iva's attendants and under the special superintendence of the god Ganesha; cf. %{-devatA}) Mn. Ya1jn5. Lalit. &c. N. of Ganesha W. a sect in philosophy or religion W. a small body of troops (= 3 Gulmas or 27 chariots and as many elephants , 81 horses , and 135 foot) MBh. i , 291 (in arithm.) a number L. (in metre) a foot or four instants (cf. %{-cchandas}) a particular group of Sa1mans La1t2y. i , 6 , 5 VarYogay. viii , 7 a kind of perfume L. = %{vAc} (i.e. `" a series of verses "') Naigh. i , 11 (%{A}) f. N. of one of the mothers in Skanda's retinue MBh. ix , 2645 (cf. %{ahar-} , %{maru4d-} , %{vR4Sa-} , %{sa4-} , %{sapta4-} , %{sa4rva-} ; %{deva-} , %{mahA-} , and %{vida-gaNa4}.) Ganapa is defined in Monier Williams as follows:- m. (= %{-nAtha}) Gan2e7s3a S3am2kar. xiv , 6 the head of a corporation VarBr2S. xxxii , 18. Ganapati is defined as (%{-Na4-}) m. (g. %{azvapaty-Adi}) the leader of a class or troop or assemblage VS. [343,2] (Br2ihaspati) RV. ii , 23 , 1 (cf. RTL. p. 413) (Indra) x , 112 , 9 S3iva L. (cf. RTL. pp. 77 and 211) Gan2e7s3a (cf. also %{mahA-g-}) Pan5cat. N. of the author of a Comm. on Caurap. of a poet S3a1rn3gP. pl.N. of a family Pravar. iii , 1 %{-khaNDa} m. n. N. of BrahmaP. iii %{-nAtha} m. N. of a man %{-pUjana} n. the worship of Gan2e7s3a W. %{-pUrva-tApanIyo7paniSad} f. N. of an Up. %{-pUrva-tApinI} f. id. %{-bhaTTa} m. N. of the father of Govinda7nanda %{-stava-rAja} m. N. of a hymn in praise of Gan2e7s3a %{-stotra} n. prayers addressed to Gan2e7s3a %{-hRdayA} f. N. of a goddess Buddh. %{-ty-ArAdhana} m. a hymn in honour of Gan2e7s3a (attributed to Kan3kola) %{-ty-upaniSad} f. N. of an Up. =========================================================================== IMHO Lets not use meanings that do not have basis in shastra thus confusing the issue. There are no mentions of ghouls and the like. Ghol is a western concept. Many problems arie when western concepts are unnecessarily matched up with eastern concepts. East is east and West is West. Even in India there are folklore traditions that have no relevance to the concept. All that exist side by side. when attempting to define lets go by texts. Res ipsa loquiter (let facts speak for themselves. Thank you. MODERATOR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Namaste v> Ganapati should mean the leader of Ganas. Gan-Isha. v> In this case Sati and Shiva should be humans who are Amsa-avatars of v> the corresponding gods. And so Sati worshipped the archetype god v> ganapati existing in the subtle realm. v> Anyone has a definition for Ganas?. So I know gan is creature having the form and a name. v> Shiva is Sat and so Sat(i) v> , sankara menon <kochu1tz> v> wrote: >> But i have a question to which I have no satisfactory answer. v> (Though I have my own theories). Who is the Ganapati whom sati v> worshipped when she was going to get married to Shiva? >> Has any one thought of this? >> >> Jai Maa Ambe! -- With respect, RN PsA-Fomalhaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Namaste, Thursday, February 3, 2005, 1:17:39 AM, you wrote: S> Vanakkam! S> You can try this link S> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/lg/lg_table_of_contents.html I have looked this site. I think there a lot of interesting Thanx. Jai Maa Ambe! -- With respect, RN PsA-Fomalhaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Namaste, Thursday, February 3, 2005, 6:40:08 AM, you wrote: So I thought Her names mean something. N> lalitha Sahasranama no 77 : KAmesvaramukhAlokakalpitasriganesvarA N> Which means : Sri Ganesvara was formed by her glances at KAmesvara N> Seeing the Devas fettered by magical figures set up by the Daityas, N> Devi, by merely looking at her husband, gave birth to the great N> Ganapati whose mantra is the twenty-eight syllables, by which the N> fettering influences of the magical figures was destroyed and the N> Devas released. Thus says the Brah Pr. "Then Devi Lalita looking N> again at the face of her Lord, smiled, and from the rays of that N> smile a certain god arose, having the head of an elephant with ichor N> flowing from the temples" N> Now where did it says about coming from the third eyes : that is N> from my guru , when he gave me the Maha Ganapathi Mantra and he N> explain to me how this mantra comes about, the story behind it and N> the visualisation. Accordingly he said, it is the third eye. Jai Maa Ambe! -- With respect, RN PsA-Fomalhaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 There are supposed to be eleven Rudras, I think, and Hanuman is supposed to be the eleventh Rudra. if I can remember where I heard that, I will post it. Also, yes, there is no doubt that Ganesha has to do with the Muladhara Chakra, which is ruled by Earth. Ganesha is invoked to help us go beyond the element of Earth and "rise on the Planes". It is also important to note that elephants are ruled by Saturn (Shani) and that one legend tells that Ganesha was supposed to have lost his head as a result of Parvati insisting that Shani look at Her child. Shani's gaze burns whatever it lands on, thus Ganesha's head was burned right off when Shani reluctantly looked at the child. Saturn rules obstacles and limitations, according to the Western astrological system, and thus Ganesha would be classified there as a Saturnian-type force, since he rules obstacles and their removal, His elephant head rather driving home the point. Lilith M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Perhaps the word you are looking for is "hosts" or "multitudes". "Elemental spirits" might also be a good definition as well. The Hebraic magickal names in the Qabalistic system refer to the "Lord of Hosts", the ruler of the forces that operate the universe and keep it running. Lilith M. --- swastik108 wrote: > Is there a direct translations for Gana? I'm not > sure. In looking through my > Bangla and Hindi dictionaries I can only find a > similar root meaning to count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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