Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 In Feminine_Divine, "rikzinger" wrote: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:01:28 -0000 [Feminine_Divine] Conversations with the Holy Mother This short excerpt is from a book that records the conversations of Sri Sarada Devi, the wife of Ramakrishna. She is also known as Holy Mother. ~~~~~~ Mother: You are right, my child. In the course of time one does not feel even the existence of God. After attaining wisdom (Jnana) one sees that gods and deities are all Maya. Everything comes into existence in time and also disappears in time...Deities and such things really disappear at the dawn of knowledge. The aspirant then realizes that the Mother alone pervades the entire Universe. All then becomes one. This is the simple truth." ~~~~~ I would add, the Genderful, Genderless, Mother ... SHE who nurtures/creates all -- and is HERSELF all thousand million billion trillion genders ... now, Millennium when we nurture/create/cultivate/refine ... .... online! ... .. _________ ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Compare with Mata Amritanandamayi: "Everything is nothing but that supreme Atman alone. There is no form there, nor name, neither Krishna nor Rama nor incarnations." and "Whatever will perish is not real. All forms, even those of the gods and goddesses, have a beginning and an end.. Whatever is associated with the mind is bound to change, because it exists in Time. The only unchangeable truth is that which always remains, the substratum of mind and intellect, Atman, ultimate state of existence..." But she adds, that you can't discard the deities, who help people identified with the mind tremendously in their spiritual growth. And she says, "A vedantin who doesn't accept the world and the path of devotion is not a true vedantin." "...The Form will take you to the Formless, provided you do your spiritual practices with the proper attitude. Saguna is nirguna manifested. If one doesn't understand this simple principle, what is the point of calling oneself a vedantin?" Om Kali, Max -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives Global Women's History http://www.suppressedhistories.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 The Master "Vimalananda" said exactly the same thing in the "Aghora" books: "Only a mother can show the child the face of its father." When one has realized the "mother", that is, the "Manifest Absolute", then one can request it to show one the "face of the father", the "Unmanifest Absolute"that underlies all manifestation. This is all much, much simpler that trying to get directly to the Unmanifest by one's own efforts and by-passing "maya". This is why it took the great Totapuri forty years to attain to the state of formlessness, and Ramakrishna only a few days! Krishna warns explicitly in the Bhagavad-Gita that "the transcendent is difficult for mortals to attain". Suspending one's prejudices against Maya and using it to get you to where you want to go is the way to go for those who want to get on with the job of realization and not spend more time here than they have to. It is the difference between trying to climb under one's own power to get to the top of a building and using an elevator to get yourself there! Lilith M. --- Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote: > Compare with Mata Amritanandamayi: > > "Everything is nothing but that supreme Atman alone. > There is no form > there, nor name, neither Krishna nor Rama nor > incarnations." > > and > > "Whatever will perish is not real. All forms, even > those of the gods > and goddesses, have a beginning and an end.. > Whatever is associated with the mind is bound to > change, because it > exists in Time. The only unchangeable truth is that > which always > remains, the substratum of mind and intellect, > Atman, ultimate state > of existence..." > > But she adds, that you can't discard the deities, > who help people > identified with the mind tremendously in their > spiritual growth. And > she says, "A vedantin who doesn't accept the world > and the path of > devotion is not a true vedantin." > > "...The Form will take you to the Formless, provided > you do your > spiritual practices with the proper attitude. Saguna > is nirguna > manifested. If one doesn't understand this simple > principle, what is > the point of calling oneself a vedantin?" > > Om Kali, > > Max > -- > Max Dashu > Suppressed Histories Archives > Global Women's History > http://www.suppressedhistories.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Got a message from that this one bounced: Compare with Mata Amritanandamayi: "Everything is nothing but that supreme Atman alone. There is no form there, nor name, neither Krishna nor Rama nor incarnations." and "Whatever will perish is not real. All forms, even those of the gods and goddesses, have a beginning and an end.. Whatever is associated with the mind is bound to change, because it exists in Time. The only unchangeable truth is that which always remains, the substratum of mind and intellect, Atman, ultimate state of existence..." But she adds, that you can't discard the deities, who help people identified with the mind tremendously in their spiritual growth. And she says, "A vedantin who doesn't accept the world and the path of devotion is not a true vedantin." "...The Form will take you to the Formless, provided you do your spiritual practices with the proper attitude. Saguna is nirguna manifested. If one doesn't understand this simple principle, what is the point of calling oneself a vedantin?" Om Kali, Max -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives Global Women's History http://www.suppressedhistories.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Respected everyone here, I just want to know if I am going on the right direction. I pray every new mantra that comes to me without knowing much of it. I do prayer everyday morning and night and most of the time I keep adding one new mantra in my prayer as an when it comes to me through books or internet,some times I do try to recite mantra mentally when I am travelling or not doing anything and most most of the time I find that what ever I have reciting so far is not fully right as ther may be one or two words got twists in between as you know mantras are mostly written in Sanskrit so most of the time I do mistake while reciting it and get it rectified while reading it...is it right to pray all mantra?? Please advice me as I have tremendous faith on God but don't know how to worship exactly.. Waiting for your valuable advice, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 I agree that it is best to choose one mantra to focus on, but how does one decide which mantra? And where can you find them? That's my problem. As a person who does not speak Hindi and am not from Indian-descent, I don't even know where to begin. -Katia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 You might be better served if you chose one mantra and stuck to reciting only that one rather than trying every one that comes along. What you are doing is like going fishing, but constantly pulling your line out of the water and moving to another spot before the fish even have time to discover your bait! Running around from deity to deity and mantra to mantra will get you absolutely nowhere, because you are scattering your energies. Pick one and stick to it until you get results. Gazing at the appropriate yantra while doing japa helps, too. Lilith M. --- Biplab Biswas <biplabbiswas wrote: > Respected everyone here, > > I just want to know if I am going on the right > direction. I pray every new mantra that comes to me > without knowing much of it. I do prayer everyday > morning and night and most of the time I keep adding > one new mantra in my prayer as an when it comes to > me > through books or internet,some times I do try to > recite mantra mentally when I am travelling or not > doing anything and most most of the time I find that > what ever I have reciting so far is not fully right > as > ther may be one or two words got twists in between > as > you know mantras are mostly written in Sanskrit so > most of the time I do mistake while reciting it and > get it rectified while reading it...is it right to > pray all mantra?? > > Please advice me as I have tremendous faith on God > but > don't know how to worship exactly.. > > Waiting for your valuable advice, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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