Guest guest Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Dear Sir, what ever u read about kundlini is wrong better u read a litt of a person who has all ready awacken the kundlini.but try to learn under the guidance of GURU. BUT I AM CONFIRMING U THAT IT IS EASY TO LEARN AND U WILL NOT DIE BECAUSE OF SAME. PRADEEP SHARMA Lili Masamura <sephirah5 wrote: The Master "Vimalananda" recommends that before you awaken Kundalini, you must have a God-Form available for it to self-identify with..else it will self-identify with YOU and cause tremendous physical distress and even death. I recommend you read "Kundalini" by Dr. Robert Svoboda..and the writings of Gopi Krishna first, before trying any such exercise. Lilith M. / Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Pradeepji, You are right and so is Lili. I hv read both the books plus works by Theosophical society ppl. as well as Kavyakantha Ganapathi Muni's biographies. Again, I was more impressed with Shyamsundar Goswami's work among all. Namo Durge Satyen pradeep sharma <sharmap_101 wrote: Dear Sir, what ever u read about kundlini is wrong better u read a litt of a person who has all ready awacken the kundlini.but try to learn under the guidance of GURU. BUT I AM CONFIRMING U THAT IT IS EASY TO LEARN AND U WILL NOT DIE BECAUSE OF SAME. PRADEEP SHARMA Lili Masamura wrote: The Master "Vimalananda" recommends that before you awaken Kundalini, you must have a God-Form available for it to self-identify with..else it will self-identify with YOU and cause tremendous physical distress and even death. I recommend you read "Kundalini" by Dr. Robert Svoboda..and the writings of Gopi Krishna first, before trying any such exercise. Lilith M. / Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Secret mantram is there..... --- surya vishnu <surya_prakashvi wrote: Hello All, This is basically to request information on different ways that kundalini can be aroused: As far as I know some of the ways are: Grace of a capable guru, Pranayama with mula and jalandhara bhanda .. I was interested in knowing if this can happen with mantra sadhana or different forms of meditation? someone once mentioned to me of a non yoga way of pushing prana into sushumna and hence invoking the kundali !! Any information will be appreciated !! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. Sponsor / Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 93 There is ONLY ONE way "to arouse kundalini" - Love and Grace of Goddess... All techniques are futile, they bring up only various illusions of mind . As my kula-guru said once, "Kundalini is not a snake whom U can awaken by a stick - She is Divine Mother herself". Only our love and pure heart awakens Her... Love is the law, love under will. A. > --- surya vishnu <surya_prakashvi> wrote: > Hello All, > > This is basically to request information on different > ways that kundalini can be aroused: > > As far as I know some of the ways are: Grace of a > capable guru, Pranayama with mula and jalandhara > bhanda .. I was interested in knowing if this can > happen with mantra sadhana or different forms of > meditation? someone once mentioned to me of a non yoga > way of pushing prana into sushumna and hence invoking > the kundali !! > > Any information will be appreciated !! > > > Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced > search. Learn more. > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 There is ONLY ONE way... Judging from the way you think: are you a converted Christian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 93 Pardon me, but that is the soteriological doctrine of Kaula-tantrism. For reference U may see Kashmiri Shaiva texts like that of Sri Abhinavagupta, and Kula-Agamas. It is Kularnava-tantra that says: "neither yoga, nor ascetism hepls; on the way of Kula, that is free from delusion, only Love saves". A. , "mahahradanatha" <mahahradanatha> wrote: > > > There is ONLY ONE way... > > Judging from the way you think: are you a converted Christian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Siva as Hara is the lover of the Kundalini Shakti, who stimulates her to flow through love. - Arjuna Taradasa Friday, April 22, 2005 11:27 AM Re: Kundalini Jagarana 93 There is ONLY ONE way "to arouse kundalini" - Love and Grace of Goddess... All techniques are futile, they bring up only various illusions of mind . As my kula-guru said once, "Kundalini is not a snake whom U can awaken by a stick - She is Divine Mother herself". Only our love and pure heart awakens Her... Love is the law, love under will. A. > --- surya vishnu <surya_prakashvi> wrote: > Hello All, > > This is basically to request information on different > ways that kundalini can be aroused: > > As far as I know some of the ways are: Grace of a > capable guru, Pranayama with mula and jalandhara > bhanda .. I was interested in knowing if this can > happen with mantra sadhana or different forms of > meditation? someone once mentioned to me of a non yoga > way of pushing prana into sushumna and hence invoking > the kundali !! > > Any information will be appreciated !! > > > > > > > > > > Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced > search. Learn more. > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Links / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > 93 > > There is ONLY ONE way "to arouse kundalini" - Love and Grace of Goddess... > > All techniques are futile, they bring up only various illusions of > mind . > > As my kula-guru said once, "Kundalini is not a snake whom U can awaken > by a stick - She is Divine Mother herself". Only our love and pure > heart awakens Her... > Arjuna, This is gross over-statement/ mis-statement. Reference: Jnaneshwar in the Jnaneshwari states that by practice of mechanical hatha yoga pratices alone(he gives specific excercises), Kundalini can be awakened and aroused. He even goes on to say that this is the quickest way to arouse kundalini. Love may be one of the many ways... -yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Now come on...Arjuna you cannot fool me.. you are not from India even if you now pretend to be, you use some Sanskrit Words but this will not make you an Indian or make you understand evolved thinking. A parrot will not become a human being just by uttering some words in human language. No one born and raised in india will begin a sentence with: "There is only one way..." Only western converts to Hindu Philosophy with a heavy monotheistic hangover can have thoughts like you do. Maybe if you now repent and begin to realise that there are myriad ways to reach a goal you will be reborn after a few hundred births in a country bordering Bharat. (Most probably a muslim country) You are lucky that Abhinavagupta is dead and nowhere near you -he would have boxed your ears. , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > 93 > > Pardon me, but that is the soteriological doctrine of Kaula- tantrism. > For reference U may see Kashmiri Shaiva texts like that of Sri > Abhinavagupta, and Kula-Agamas. > > It is Kularnava-tantra that says: "neither yoga, nor ascetism hepls; > on the way of Kula, that is free from delusion, only Love saves". > > A. > > > , "mahahradanatha" > <mahahradanatha> wrote: > > > > > > There is ONLY ONE way... > > > > Judging from the way you think: are you a converted Christian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Arjuna Taradasa wrote: > > 93 > > There is ONLY ONE way "to arouse kundalini" - Love and Grace of Goddess...All techniques are futile, they bring up only various illusions of mind . As my kula-guru said once, "Kundalini is not a snake whom U can awaken by a stick - She is Divine Mother herself". Only our love and pure heart awakens Her... > Arjuna, This is gross over-statement/ mis-statement. Reference: Jnaneshwar in the Jnaneshwari states that by practice of mechanical hatha yoga pratices alone(he gives specific excercises), Kundalini can be awakened and aroused. He even goes on to say that this is the quickest way to arouse kundalini. Love may be one of the many ways... -yogaman Kundalani can be awakened by many methods however takes many lifetimesto prepare for a successful awakening to be held in bramachaya.If an awakening is activated and a surge occurs prior to adequatepreparation you might as well put electrodes with 415 v current to the ida pingala and shushumna nadies same effect. Through the fire element that is found in the heart of a disciple the samkaras are burnt,love/wisdom takes and clears them, Siva’s throat is blue from the poison’s of the world. If you want to open the kundalini first clear the poisons of the physical body as well as the emotional body strengthen the nerves and prostate them to the ishta deva in there clearest and strongest tone. Even then the samahdi experience of mauthoura is limited and that is only after the third awakening within the abobe of brahma give with the full knowledge of the three akashas or creative ethers is the full awakening of nirbeja samadhi Swami Jaganatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 93 , "mahahradanatha" <mahahradanatha> wrote: > Now come on...Arjuna you cannot fool me.. you are not from India > even if you now pretend to be, First of all, i never pretended that nor tried to fool U . If U think otherwise, please provide me the proof - where i do. I am not an indian by nationality and never hided that. But this fact doesn't necessarily imply that i know hinduism less than U do, right? Hope U have no problems with logic . > you use some Sanskrit Words but this > will not make you an Indian or make you understand evolved thinking. Thank U, i have no desire to become "indian" . I am KAULA. > A parrot will not become a human being just by uttering some words in human language. Such sweet words from such a great person . Anyway, from the "lord of great noisiness" (mahahradanatha) they aren't insulting. Yes, i am rather stupid and lacking the basic knowledge of logic. All what i say is merely accidental combination of human words of which i never know the meaning. Repent, sometimes i even have to use the random function on my computer to choose some word! And i am illiterate as well - it is my blind friend helping me to type... > No one born and raised in india will begin a sentence with: "There is only one way..." Only western converts to Hindu Philosophy with a > heavy monotheistic hangover can have thoughts like you do. So U are against even monotheism? And think that it is a feature of semitic religions only? Come on, study Ur "sanatana-dharma" a bit deeper! Being hindu by nationality doesn't make one a pandita or jnani . > Maybe if you now repent and begin to realise that there are myriad > ways to reach a goal you will be reborn after a few hundred births > in a country bordering Bharat. (Most probably a muslim country) Thank U. I will not repent in my relationships with God . And i am grateful to Him that i am who i am and where i am. I prefer the way of Love and Will, which requires not hundreds of births. And i wish U a happy transmigration trough the castes and jaatis, reaching higher and higher position in society, if U really choose this "achara" . > You are lucky that Abhinavagupta is dead and nowhere near you -he > would have boxed your ears. Abhinavagupta is with me in my heart... And belive he would never care about the lower teachings which U adhere to. He was a strict monotheist. He stated that only true knowledge is liberating. While various lower doctrines lack it. Request U not to get angry once again, it doesn't help. Try to open Ur eyes to His Truth, not to cunning human inventions... Love is the law, love under will. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Arjuna: >Love is the law, love under will. No, will under love otherwise it won't be real love. Lars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 I am KAULA. > You proclaim you are a Kaula on the marketplace, like someone selling sweets? Does the Rabbit have Horns? Does the pope shit in the Woods? You think you can take the Flower of the Lotus but despise the stem and root! By chance you will take rebirth as a female in a wasp family (White American Suburban Protestants) and later convert to neo-shakta new age philosophy and think self love is the goal ofl life. There is only one Way for you to avert this gruesome fate more terrible than living in raurava hell: Do no ever again pretend to have knowledge you do not posses. You should not waste your time with teachings which are much to evolved for you to grasp. You should listen to Bhartrihari before it is too late: "Lord Brahma has handed over to idiots a treasure the art by which they can hide their stupidity and that is silence and to remain quiet. It is the best interest of the idiots to keep quiet in the company of the wise. People who are ignorant consider themselves as intelligent and become proud. A person proud of himself does not realize his own shortcomings, such a person neither fears anyone nor does he care for any one. A bone which a dog eats is covered with plenty of ants is covered with saliva is dirty without flesh and is of a bad taste, it smells foul. A dog eating such a bone does not even bother about Indra standing besides him, because a mean creature doesn't realize the inferiority of the thing he possesses and is carefree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 > >Love is the law, love under will. > >No, will under love otherwise it won't be real love. Hear, hear! However, the point Arjuna was making is good: >Her heart is moved by Love and grace, compassion. That is why saints >underline the uttermost importance of bhakti. Part of the power of bhakti is that it overcomes the mind's fixations and fluctuations and the delusion of ahamkara, which is drowned in the waveless ocean that devotion allows us to access. But there is not only one path to the great Mystery, as the pagan Symmachus pointed out to the christians many centuries ago. And on some level, jnana, bhakti, raja and karma yoga coalesce before the river reaches the ocean, or so those who know say. (Amma, for one). John's quote from the swami is right on (I laughed at the image of electrodes) It seems that many unwise experimenters have scorched themselves in this way. So many sages advise against doing mechanical exercises without guidance from a realized being. >If an awakening is activated and a surge occurs prior to >adequatepreparation you might as well put electrodes with 415 v >current to the ida pingala and shushumna nadies same effect. ... If >you want to open the kundalini first clear the poisons of the >physical body as well as the emotional body strengthen the nerves >and prostate them to the ishta deva in there clearest and strongest >tone. But I'd like to appeal to the increasingly polarized parties in this debate to stop denouncing each other. Let's not return to arguing about who is higher or lower, tamasic or sattvic. Contradiction in terms... Max -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives Global Women's History http://www.suppressedhistories.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 The snake & stick analogy re kundalini awakening reminds me of Thundering Silence: Sutra on the Better Way to Catch a Snake by Thich Nhat Hanh. I do actually think that teaching is apt regarding "apprehending" the awakening of kundalini. It isn't the stick that awakens kundalini in the teaching - it is the stick that one must use correctly in order not to be injured by the awakened snake. I think I posted about this before, but Hanh used this teaching when discussing some followers of the Buddha who took to heart the Buddha's teachings of how vile the human body is -- they ended their lives rather than continue in human form Hanh was saying that an enlightened teaching can kill if those receiving it do not know how to best apprehend the information. I also appreciate the analogy of the electrical voltage being hooked up to the ida, pingala and shushumna. Having experienced a severe electrical shock before -- though not 415 v of course -- and having experienced strong internal, physical/mental/emotional energies through my development via hathayoga practice, I can relate very much to the analogy. , "John Mathieson" <johndplumber@o...> wrote: > > > Arjuna Taradasa wrote: > > > > 93 > > > > There is ONLY ONE way "to arouse kundalini" - Love and Grace of > Goddess...All techniques are futile, they bring up only various illusions of mind . As my kula-guru said once, "Kundalini is not a snake whom U can awaken by a stick - She is Divine Mother herself". Only our love and pure heart awakens Her... > > > > Arjuna, > > This is gross over-statement/ mis-statement. Reference: Jnaneshwar in the Jnaneshwari states that by practice of mechanical hatha yoga > pratices alone(he gives specific excercises), Kundalini can be awakened and aroused. He even goes on to say that this is the quickest way to arouse kundalini. Love may be one of the many ways... > > -yogaman > > Kundalani can be awakened by many methods however takes many lifetimesto prepare for a successful awakening to be held in bramachaya.If an awakening is activated and a surge occurs prior to adequatepreparation you might as well put electrodes with 415 v current to the ida pingala and shushumna nadies same effect. Through the fire element that is found in the heart of a disciple the samkaras are burnt,love/wisdom takes and clears them, Siva's throat is blue from the poison's of the world. If you want to open the kundalini first clear the poisons of the physical body as well as the emotional body strengthen the nerves and prostate them to the ishta deva in there clearest and strongest tone. Even then the samahdi experience of mauthoura is limited and that is only after the third awakening within the abobe of brahma give with the full knowledge of the three akashas or creative ethers is the full awakening of nirbeja samadhi > > Swami Jaganatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 People who are ignorant consider themselves as intelligent and become proud. ----But they are happy. And many of these proud, ignorant people are still helpful and kind. One should be happy that anyone at all in this world is or can be happy. People who are intelligent are often the most unhappy and judgemental people. That's not good. BTW, not that it's important but WASP is White Anglo Saxon Protestant, something which is really a cliche, in the Paris Hilton vein. The meaning was similar I guess anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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