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homosexuals may want to start thinking about what God

might be trying to tell them. I guess one harsh lesson

wasn't enough to start them thinking about where their

lack of respect for sex was leading; now there has to

be another, harsher lesson.

Lilith M.

 

This opinion is not very well thought out.

 

Are the women in sub saharan Africa particularly

despised by the deity? Do they lack respect for sex?

Yet they are being "punished" at a much higher rate

and in higher numbers than gay men. Are lesbians more

beloved of the Goddess? Do we have more respect for

sex? Yet we have a much lower AIDS rate than any

heterosexual population, first world or third.

 

I think it is a mistake to draw such a direct cause

and effect line between disease populations and moral

condemnation. The process is subtler and beyond

mortal comprehension. Our solutions to the question

of why bad things happen often says more about us than

about reality.

 

"Oh, obvious," said Granny. "I'll grant you it's obvious. Trouble is, just

because things are obvious doesn't mean they're true."

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Thank you, Seavey. The AIDS crisis can't be blamed on

a "lack of respect for sex" (whatever that means!).

 

Hindus must especially be aware that being monogamous

(like Lord Rama) and being promiscuous (like Lord

Krishna) are two modes of loving. It is only common

sense, in these days, to use condoms and other forms

of prevention of spreading STDs.

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

--- witch seavey <witchseavey wrote:

>

> so

> homosexuals may want to start thinking about what

> God

> might be trying to tell them. I guess one harsh

> lesson

> wasn't enough to start them thinking about where

> their

> lack of respect for sex was leading; now there has

> to

> be another, harsher lesson.

> Lilith M.

>

> This opinion is not very well thought out.

>

> Are the women in sub saharan Africa particularly

> despised by the deity? Do they lack respect for

> sex?

> Yet they are being "punished" at a much higher rate

> and in higher numbers than gay men. Are lesbians

> more

> beloved of the Goddess? Do we have more respect for

> sex? Yet we have a much lower AIDS rate than any

> heterosexual population, first world or third.

>

> I think it is a mistake to draw such a direct cause

> and effect line between disease populations and

> moral

> condemnation. The process is subtler and beyond

> mortal comprehension. Our solutions to the question

> of why bad things happen often says more about us

> than

> about reality.

>

> "Oh, obvious," said Granny. "I'll grant you it's

> obvious. Trouble is, just because things are obvious

> doesn't mean they're true."

> Granny Weatherwax

>

>

>

>

>

> Make your home page

> http://www./r/hs

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Lilith M says : so homosexuals may want to start thinking about what

God might be trying to tell them. I guess one harsh lesson wasn't

enough to start them thinking about where their lack of respect for

sex was leading; now there has to be another, harsher lesson.

 

 

Frankly to me, to read these words actually coming from Lilith is

sickening. YOu do not make sense Lilith? What does all these got to

do with the "lack of respect"?

 

This young man ask a valid question : how can we control lust?

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Yes, it's amazing how much ignorance there is, especially in those

who declare themselves "enlightened."

 

I have thought that the deeper disease revealed by AIDS is just how

far apart people hold love and sexuality. This distance shows up not

only in the people afflicted with HIV/AIDS (harsh sex, unprotected

sex, undisclosed HIV status, ignorance, fear, self-loathing, etc.),

but in those blaming and condemning them. There are many diseases

that exist in the world. What are we being punished for by the

measles? Doesn't measles result in sterility in men? I guess we're

being punished for heterosexual procreative sex by the measles then.

I wonder what polio is a punishment for? Luckily, those diseases

were not accompanied by the smallmindedness that attaches against

the full range of human sexuality; vaccines were worked for and

discovered without political haggling - of the "moral" condemnation

kind, at least.

 

There is so little understanding of the vastness of human sexuality,

and so much insistance that we be defined by our genitals, and what

someone else tells us we must do and not do with them! Ideas that

come from religious proscriptions and other societal proscriptions

that say what limited behavior is allowed for which gender are

simply not the whole truth of what each human being is.

 

In another thread, "Is Kali the beloved mother...?" a poster

recommended reading Machig Lapdron, creator of Chod Buddhism, in

order to understand how to approach Kali. From my reading so far,

Machig Lapdron advised that the union sought in passionate sexuality

is a union that can take place within oneself (without a partner).

To me, that is the same assertion made by the deity Ardhanareshari,

and it is the promise of yoga. If such union can occur within, much

more of partnered sex would contain love and sexuality together,

which is what I consider to be genuine respect, not just for sex,

but for life, for love, and for humanity. (This might help with

the "control of lust" issue, too.)

 

 

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote:

>

> Lilith M says : so homosexuals may want to start thinking about

what

> God might be trying to tell them. I guess one harsh lesson wasn't

> enough to start them thinking about where their lack of respect

for

> sex was leading; now there has to be another, harsher lesson.

>

>

> Frankly to me, to read these words actually coming from Lilith is

> sickening. YOu do not make sense Lilith? What does all these got

to

> do with the "lack of respect"?

>

> This young man ask a valid question : how can we control lust?

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One clarification: by "love and sexuality together," I do not

mean "marriage." That is another concept loaded with religious and

societal charge, undergirded by religious and societal

proscriptions.

 

, "Mary Ann"

<buttercookie61> wrote:

>

> Yes, it's amazing how much ignorance there is, especially in those

> who declare themselves "enlightened."

>

> I have thought that the deeper disease revealed by AIDS is just

how

> far apart people hold love and sexuality. This distance shows up

not

> only in the people afflicted with HIV/AIDS (harsh sex, unprotected

> sex, undisclosed HIV status, ignorance, fear, self-loathing,

etc.),

> but in those blaming and condemning them. There are many diseases

> that exist in the world. What are we being punished for by the

> measles? Doesn't measles result in sterility in men? I guess we're

> being punished for heterosexual procreative sex by the measles

then.

> I wonder what polio is a punishment for? Luckily, those diseases

> were not accompanied by the smallmindedness that attaches against

> the full range of human sexuality; vaccines were worked for and

> discovered without political haggling - of the "moral"

condemnation

> kind, at least.

>

> There is so little understanding of the vastness of human

sexuality,

> and so much insistance that we be defined by our genitals, and

what

> someone else tells us we must do and not do with them! Ideas that

> come from religious proscriptions and other societal proscriptions

> that say what limited behavior is allowed for which gender are

> simply not the whole truth of what each human being is.

>

> In another thread, "Is Kali the beloved mother...?" a poster

> recommended reading Machig Lapdron, creator of Chod Buddhism, in

> order to understand how to approach Kali. From my reading so far,

> Machig Lapdron advised that the union sought in passionate

sexuality

> is a union that can take place within oneself (without a partner).

> To me, that is the same assertion made by the deity

Ardhanareshari,

> and it is the promise of yoga. If such union can occur within,

much

> more of partnered sex would contain love and sexuality together,

> which is what I consider to be genuine respect, not just for sex,

> but for life, for love, and for humanity. (This might help with

> the "control of lust" issue, too.)

>

>

> , "NMadasamy"

<nmadasamy@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Lilith M says : so homosexuals may want to start thinking about

> what

> > God might be trying to tell them. I guess one harsh lesson

wasn't

> > enough to start them thinking about where their lack of respect

> for

> > sex was leading; now there has to be another, harsher lesson.

> >

> >

> > Frankly to me, to read these words actually coming from Lilith

is

> > sickening. YOu do not make sense Lilith? What does all these got

> to

> > do with the "lack of respect"?

> >

> > This young man ask a valid question : how can we control lust?

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In saddhana there is only a LOVING god and not a wrathful punishing God.The

Social mores and preferences have nothing to do with spiritual practices.

 

And further, spirituality is, IMHO, a very intensly PRIVATE matter between the

individual and his chosen form of God.

 

I am sorry there was this condemnation. It is INCORRECT and uncalled for. A

simple question demands a simple answer not sermons.

 

The answer IMHO is simple do not worry it will go if it is meant to. It is the

same in meditation, attempting hard to conrol the mind results in its slipping

away time and again. If you just let go of the mind while meditating without

attempting to "Control" then slowly the wanderings of the mind cease and it

becomes still. Let all thoughts come in, then watch what they say. Slowly the

incoming of thoughts will cease and one will have REAL meditation.

 

Similarly do not try to "destroy" lust; it will be reborn a million times like

rakta bIja of the devi mahathmya. Let it have its full play and soon the mind

will tire of it and it will let go. Then the feeling would have self destructed

to the extent necessary for the particular individual).

 

 

Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote:

 

 

Yes, it's amazing how much ignorance there is, especially in those who declare

themselves "enlightened."

 

I have thought that the deeper disease revealed by AIDS is just how far apart

people hold love and sexuality. This distance shows up not only in the people

afflicted with HIV/AIDS (harsh sex, unprotected sex, undisclosed HIV status,

ignorance, fear, self-loathing, etc.), but in those blaming and condemning them.

There are many diseases that exist in the world. What are we being punished for

by the measles? Doesn't measles result in sterility in men? I guess we're

being punished for heterosexual procreative sex by the measles then.

I wonder what polio is a punishment for? Luckily, those diseases were not

accompanied by the smallmindedness that attaches against the full range of human

sexuality; vaccines were worked for and discovered without political haggling -

of the "moral" condemnation kind, at least.

 

There is so little understanding of the vastness of human sexuality, and so much

insistance that we be defined by our genitals, and what someone else tells us we

must do and not do with them! Ideas that come from religious proscriptions and

other societal proscriptions that say what limited behavior is allowed for which

gender are simply not the whole truth of what each human being is.

 

In another thread, "Is Kali the beloved mother...?" a poster

recommended reading Machig Lapdron, creator of Chod Buddhism, in order to

understand how to approach Kali. From my reading so far, Machig Lapdron advised

that the union sought in passionate sexuality is a union that can take place

within oneself (without a partner).

 

 

To me, that is the same assertion made by the deity Ardhanareshari, and it is

the promise of yoga. If such union can occur within, much more of partnered sex

would contain love and sexuality together, which is what I consider to be

genuine respect, not just for sex, but for life, for love, and for humanity.

(This might help with the "control of lust" issue, too.)

 

 

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote:

>

> Lilith M says : so homosexuals may want to start thinking about what God might

be trying to tell them. I guess one harsh lesson wasn't enough to start them

thinking about where their lack of respect for sex was leading; now there has to

be another, harsher lesson.

>

>

> Frankly to me, to read these words actually coming from Lilith is sickening.

YOu do not make sense Lilith? What does all these got to do with the "lack of

respect"?

>

> This young man ask a valid question : how can we control lust?

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Kochu: Thanks for your words of excellent wisdom.

 

BTW I think it's mumps that causes sterility in men - I got it mixed

up with measles in my earlier post - I should have checked with Nora!

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> In saddhana there is only a LOVING god and not a wrathful

punishing God.The Social mores and preferences have nothing to do

with spiritual practices.

>

> And further, spirituality is, IMHO, a very intensly PRIVATE matter

between the individual and his chosen form of God.

>

> I am sorry there was this condemnation. It is INCORRECT and

uncalled for. A simple question demands a simple answer not sermons.

>

> The answer IMHO is simple do not worry it will go if it is meant

to. It is the same in meditation, attempting hard to conrol the mind

results in its slipping away time and again. If you just let go of

the mind while meditating without attempting to "Control" then

slowly the wanderings of the mind cease and it becomes still. Let

all thoughts come in, then watch what they say. Slowly the incoming

of thoughts will cease and one will have REAL meditation.

>

> Similarly do not try to "destroy" lust; it will be reborn a

million times like rakta bIja of the devi mahathmya. Let it have its

full play and soon the mind will tire of it and it will let go. Then

the feeling would have self destructed to the extent necessary for

the particular individual).

>

>

> Mary Ann <buttercookie61> wrote:

>

>

> Yes, it's amazing how much ignorance there is, especially in those

who declare themselves "enlightened."

>

> I have thought that the deeper disease revealed by AIDS is just

how far apart people hold love and sexuality. This distance shows up

not only in the people afflicted with HIV/AIDS (harsh sex,

unprotected sex, undisclosed HIV status, ignorance, fear, self-

loathing, etc.), but in those blaming and condemning them. There are

many diseases that exist in the world. What are we being punished

for by the measles? Doesn't measles result in sterility in men? I

guess we're

> being punished for heterosexual procreative sex by the measles

then.

> I wonder what polio is a punishment for? Luckily, those diseases

were not accompanied by the smallmindedness that attaches against

the full range of human sexuality; vaccines were worked for and

discovered without political haggling - of the "moral" condemnation

kind, at least.

>

> There is so little understanding of the vastness of human

sexuality, and so much insistance that we be defined by our

genitals, and what someone else tells us we must do and not do with

them! Ideas that come from religious proscriptions and other

societal proscriptions that say what limited behavior is allowed for

which gender are simply not the whole truth of what each human being

is.

>

> In another thread, "Is Kali the beloved mother...?" a poster

> recommended reading Machig Lapdron, creator of Chod Buddhism, in

order to understand how to approach Kali. From my reading so far,

Machig Lapdron advised that the union sought in passionate sexuality

is a union that can take place within oneself (without a partner).

>

>

> To me, that is the same assertion made by the deity

Ardhanareshari, and it is the promise of yoga. If such union can

occur within, much more of partnered sex would contain love and

sexuality together, which is what I consider to be genuine respect,

not just for sex, but for life, for love, and for humanity. (This

might help with the "control of lust" issue, too.)

>

>

> , "NMadasamy"

<nmadasamy@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Lilith M says : so homosexuals may want to start thinking about

what God might be trying to tell them. I guess one harsh lesson

wasn't enough to start them thinking about where their lack of

respect for sex was leading; now there has to be another, harsher

lesson.

> >

> >

> > Frankly to me, to read these words actually coming from Lilith

is sickening. YOu do not make sense Lilith? What does all these got

to do with the "lack of respect"?

> >

> > This young man ask a valid question : how can we control lust?

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buttercookie61 wrote: BTW I think it's mumps that causes sterility

in men - I got it mixed up with measles in my earlier post - I

should have checked with Nora!

 

wow! I didnt know that I am an expert in Sterility especially in

Men. hmmmmmm. All I know too much computer lead to sterility in both

men and women.

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I meant because of your knowledgeability in medicine, not

specifically on the topic of sterility in men :-P

 

 

 

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote:

>

> buttercookie61 wrote: BTW I think it's mumps that causes sterility

> in men - I got it mixed up with measles in my earlier post - I

> should have checked with Nora!

>

> wow! I didnt know that I am an expert in Sterility especially in

> Men. hmmmmmm. All I know too much computer lead to sterility in

both

> men and women.

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Mary Ann wrote:I meant because of your knowledgeability in medicine,

not specifically on the topic of sterility in men :-P

 

Nah! Mary Ann, Im just pulling your leg. I hope they are of the same

length. Hahhaaaaa. Just as I expected one young members IM me and

asked : what does computer got to do with sterility. How to answer

such question? Hhhhaaaaa Any suggestion?

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I better check up!! United nations make me sit in front of computer 6 hours a

day minimum and another 6 for personal use. ow better have a count taken

immediatly!!

 

 

Mary Ann wrote:I meant because of your knowledgeability in medicine, not

specifically on the topic of sterility in men :-P

 

Nah! Mary Ann, Im just pulling your leg. I hope they are of the same length.

Hahhaaaaa. Just as I expected one young members IM me and asked : what does

computer got to do with sterility. How to answer such question? Hhhhaaaaa Any

suggestion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nora ...its a good thing I didnt ask the same queation as

the other member about computer and sexuality being related.

hahaha....for i almost did !!!

 

chumki.

 

 

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> I better check up!! United nations make me sit in front of computer

6 hours a day minimum and another 6 for personal use. ow better have a

count taken immediatly!!

>

>

> Mary Ann wrote:I meant because of your knowledgeability in medicine,

not specifically on the topic of sterility in men :-P

>

> Nah! Mary Ann, Im just pulling your leg. I hope they are of the same

length. Hahhaaaaa. Just as I expected one young members IM me and

asked : what does computer got to do with sterility. How to answer

such question? Hhhhaaaaa Any suggestion?

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I might mention I sent a reply to this letter but it

was very conveniently deleted by I know perfectly well

who, so I will not bother to publicly clarify my

position on this topic, and leave you all to your

cherished ignorance. Those who are not so attached to

their ignorance and wish clarification, I will be

happy to enlighten.

Lilith M.

 

 

--- witch seavey <witchseavey wrote:

>

> so

> homosexuals may want to start thinking about what

> God

> might be trying to tell them. I guess one harsh

> lesson

> wasn't enough to start them thinking about where

> their

> lack of respect for sex was leading; now there has

> to

> be another, harsher lesson.

> Lilith M.

>

> This opinion is not very well thought out.

>

> Are the women in sub saharan Africa particularly

> despised by the deity? Do they lack respect for

> sex?

> Yet they are being "punished" at a much higher rate

> and in higher numbers than gay men. Are lesbians

> more

> beloved of the Goddess? Do we have more respect for

> sex? Yet we have a much lower AIDS rate than any

> heterosexual population, first world or third.

>

> I think it is a mistake to draw such a direct cause

> and effect line between disease populations and

> moral

> condemnation. The process is subtler and beyond

> mortal comprehension. Our solutions to the question

> of why bad things happen often says more about us

> than

> about reality.

>

> "Oh, obvious," said Granny. "I'll grant you it's

> obvious. Trouble is, just because things are obvious

> doesn't mean they're true."

> Granny Weatherwax

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If that is the case, I guess I do not need to worry about getting pregnant, eh?

Haha, kidding. Well, the computer in excess is not really good, but neither is

anything else in excess when you think about it.

 

Yes, I am still alive. :) College has me pretty much wrapped up so I have not

been as responsive as I used to be. However, I still check posts often.

Hmm...*contemplates on a quote she read*

 

Blessings,

An'ya

 

 

Mary Ann wrote:I meant because of your knowledgeability in medicine, not

specifically on the topic of sterility in men :-P

 

Nah! Mary Ann, Im just pulling your leg. I hope they are of the same length.

Hahhaaaaa. Just as I expected one young members IM me and asked : what does

computer got to do with sterility. How to answer such question? Hhhhaaaaa Any

suggestion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Why not enlighten on the message board? What you say may resonate

with someone(s), may make a difference. I know words can easily be

taken out of context and made to seem like something other than what

was intended. What did you intend?

 

 

 

, Lili Masamura

<sephirah5> wrote:

>

> I might mention I sent a reply to this letter but it

> was very conveniently deleted by I know perfectly well

> who, so I will not bother to publicly clarify my

> position on this topic, and leave you all to your

> cherished ignorance. Those who are not so attached to

> their ignorance and wish clarification, I will be

> happy to enlighten.

> Lilith M.

>

>

> --- witch seavey <witchseavey> wrote:

> >

> > so

> > homosexuals may want to start thinking about what

> > God

> > might be trying to tell them. I guess one harsh

> > lesson

> > wasn't enough to start them thinking about where

> > their

> > lack of respect for sex was leading; now there has

> > to

> > be another, harsher lesson.

> > Lilith M.

> >

> > This opinion is not very well thought out.

> >

> > Are the women in sub saharan Africa particularly

> > despised by the deity? Do they lack respect for

> > sex?

> > Yet they are being "punished" at a much higher rate

> > and in higher numbers than gay men. Are lesbians

> > more

> > beloved of the Goddess? Do we have more respect for

> > sex? Yet we have a much lower AIDS rate than any

> > heterosexual population, first world or third.

> >

> > I think it is a mistake to draw such a direct cause

> > and effect line between disease populations and

> > moral

> > condemnation. The process is subtler and beyond

> > mortal comprehension. Our solutions to the question

> > of why bad things happen often says more about us

> > than

> > about reality.

> >

> > "Oh, obvious," said Granny. "I'll grant you it's

> > obvious. Trouble is, just because things are obvious

> > doesn't mean they're true."

> > Granny Weatherwax

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