SS Conversation series : nirmoha and moha naashinee

[Guest guest]

Here is another in Shakti Sadhana's "Conversations series". "Q"

is me, "A" is an accomplished Srividya upasak and guru, who (also as

usual) offers patient and lucid replies for the benefit of the Group.

 

 

[ Q ] So why in this context the word desire and not delusion use by

Kochu? I am trying to understand. I refer to Siva Sutra, they too

mention it as delusion.

 

[A] Yes see there are many meanings for a word, in sanskrit. Taking

that which is relevant for the situation is the trick. nirmoha and

moha naashinee are the two words. Nirmoha: one without desires; one

who is not distracted; moha nashini, she who destroys infatuation;

desires; and delusion. It is also a principle to use the obvious

meaning instead of going into convoluted meanings having to strain

to explain because desire is the common feeling felt by ANY human

being. Delusion is not FELT by all.

 

[Q]Agreed. Desire is the basis of all.

 

[A] When desire is destroyed; then the other feelings of delusion

and maya and all that also gets destroyed simultaneosly. As long as

Desire is there the other esoteric aspects cannot be destroyed. Once

Desire ends everything else also does hence the use of desire. Why

do we desire things? It is because we have delusion. Why are we

infatuated? Because there is desire. I am infatuated about a woman

because I am deluded into thinking it will give me pleasure, right?

Desire is the basic emotion. When it is destroyed all delusion will

cease. Once all delusion ceases truth will shine forth. So we must

destroy desire. But it is easier said than done, thats why we call

HER moha naashinee. We are seeking her help to destroy moha; once

she blesses then only we can estroy moha so that we realise our true

nature. When we recite this name we must visualise her blessing us

with ability to overcome moha and when the visalisation is strong

it will destroy the moha

 

[Q] I went into a long journey I guess trying to understand, looking

at the two verse before and after. I thought all are related to our

emotions. So rightly so that moha is emotional related and thus

desire. I understand now. Thank you

[Guest guest]

This doesn't explain tantra as the path of desire, or did I miss something.

 

 

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NMadasamy

Monday, March 28, 2005 7:20 PM

SS Conversation series : nirmoha and moha naashinee

 

 

 

Here is another in Shakti Sadhana's "Conversations series". "Q"

is me, "A" is an accomplished Srividya upasak and guru, who (also as

usual) offers patient and lucid replies for the benefit of the Group.

 

 

[ Q ] So why in this context the word desire and not delusion use by

Kochu? I am trying to understand. I refer to Siva Sutra, they too

mention it as delusion.

 

[A] Yes see there are many meanings for a word, in sanskrit. Taking

that which is relevant for the situation is the trick. nirmoha and

moha naashinee are the two words. Nirmoha: one without desires; one

who is not distracted; moha nashini, she who destroys infatuation;

desires; and delusion. It is also a principle to use the obvious

meaning instead of going into convoluted meanings having to strain

to explain because desire is the common feeling felt by ANY human

being. Delusion is not FELT by all.

 

[Q]Agreed. Desire is the basis of all.

 

[A] When desire is destroyed; then the other feelings of delusion

and maya and all that also gets destroyed simultaneosly. As long as

Desire is there the other esoteric aspects cannot be destroyed. Once

Desire ends everything else also does hence the use of desire. Why

do we desire things? It is because we have delusion. Why are we

infatuated? Because there is desire. I am infatuated about a woman

because I am deluded into thinking it will give me pleasure, right?

Desire is the basic emotion. When it is destroyed all delusion will

cease. Once all delusion ceases truth will shine forth. So we must

destroy desire. But it is easier said than done, thats why we call

HER moha naashinee. We are seeking her help to destroy moha; once

she blesses then only we can estroy moha so that we realise our true

nature. When we recite this name we must visualise her blessing us

with ability to overcome moha and when the visalisation is strong

it will destroy the moha

 

[Q] I went into a long journey I guess trying to understand, looking

at the two verse before and after. I thought all are related to our

emotions. So rightly so that moha is emotional related and thus

desire. I understand now. Thank you

[Guest guest]

eve__69 wrote: This doesn't explain tantra as the path of desire, or

did I miss something.

 

 

 

See Message : 15397 then the following messages : 15396, 15397,

15406, 15407, 15408 15410, 15411. Message 15416 is my conversation

with one of our senior adviser, because I asked him : So why in this

context the word desire and not delusion use by Kochu? I am trying

to understand. I refer to Siva Sutra, they too mention it as

delusion.

 

I decided to post the excerpt of the conversation because it is very

much relevant with our group and I just want to share with everybody

what I have learn. That is all.