Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 My $0.02 regarding Mary Ann's question and the follow-up: For standard diacritical marks, there is a lot of info on the web. For example, http://acharya.iitm.ac.in/translit_scheme.html and http://www.sanskrit.org/Sanskrit/SanskritPronunc.htm There may be some confusion regarding Param's comment - Guru is needed for correct Sanskrit Mantra pronounciation at the time of initiation. Clarification of a Mantra or a ritual or learning the Sanskrit language do not fall into the same category. I have helped many people correct their mantra chanting. > Param <ayamtuparam > Hari Om Everyone! > Mary ann said she doesn't understand > how to pronounce Sanskrit. This is Guru needed > according to Indian Tradition. > > Jai Srimata Cheers Mukti - <> <> Sunday, April 10, 2005 7:39 AM Digest Number 1308 > > > There are 4 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: LalithA SahasranAma [183] nisparigrahA > "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61 > 2. Re: LalithA SahasranAma [182] niskriyA > "colin777au" <colinr > 3. Happy Navratri ! > "outragedlyrics" <outragedlyrics > 4. "Mary Ann" > Param <ayamtuparam > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:45:47 -0000 > "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61 > Re: LalithA SahasranAma [183] nisparigrahA > > > She is not greedy, does not hoard, does not lose her center and > cling to material possessions, other people, etc. Unfortunate > that "spouse" is considered a possession, children too. I don't > think this means not to love others, raise children, create homes, > but rather, not to lose one's center to those "things," as they are > not your ultimate identity; also, it is not proper to consider > others as possessions. > > To live in harmony with the universe, to live in dharma, at the same > time that we play the various roles of our embodied forms...seems > ideal. I've read descriptions of tantric relationships or > interactions (in Passionate Enlightenment, which I've posted on > before) which run akin to this, to allowing the embodied form its > reality, but not believing in its reality. > > , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I like this commentary, from T.V Narayana Menon. Translated into >> English by Dr. M.N. Namboodiri. The Thousand Names of The Divine >> Mother. Publisher : Mata Amritanandamayi Math. >> Amritapuri, Kerala. >> >> nisparigrahA : she who does not acquire or accept anything. >> She is complete in Herself, with all wishes fulfilled. >> >> Devi is one who does not amass anything. Parigraha means spouse, >> children, grain, wealth and so on. None of these apply to Her. >> >> Why, then does the actionless Devi need temples, puja, offerings > of >> food, money and the like? It is the desire of the devotees; it is >> for their pleasure and peace of mind. We put diamonds and jewelry > on >> children according to our wealth. What need does a child have for >> jewelry? The child does not know its value. It is all for the >> happiness of the adults. >> >> Amma says, "It is our mind that we should give to God. Then we > will >> get it back purified. Presently our strongest attachment is to our >> wealth. Therefore, when we give wealth, it is like giving our > mind. >> The benefit is not to God, but to ourselves." >> >> The dictionary says that Parigraha also means, "root". Since Devi > is >> the root cause of everything, She herself is without root. > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:41:48 -0000 > "colin777au" <colinr > Re: LalithA SahasranAma [182] niskriyA > > > Hello Mary Ann > >> I think someone has actually told me this before, and I didn't get >> it then either. I thought that a horizontal line over a vowel, >> making an "a" long, for example, creates the sound as in "late" >> rather than "father," and if over an "o," like the "o" in "over" > vs. >> the "o" in "off." I need to check that out in a dictionary. > > What Max said is right. > > For writing Sanskrit words, the horizontal line is used in a > different way than an English dictionary would use it to show > pronunciation of English words. > >>But is >> there a difference between the sound of the first "a" in Lalitha > and >> the second? I have seen phonetic spellings of "hathayoga" recently >> that say "huthayoga" so maybe the first "a" is pronounced the way > we >> pronounce "u" in "hut" ?? > > Yes, you have it. The difference between "a" and "A" in Sanskrit is > actually greater than for the other Sanskrit vowels. > >> Either way, from what you are saying, I understand that the caps >> don't indicate syllabic emphasis at all, just whether the vowel is >> long or short. > > That is basically right. > > Although in Sanskrit there is actually some connection between vowel > length and syllabic emphasis! > > What is really crucial is this --- in the Sanskrit language the > difference between long and short vowels can mean the difference > between one word and another. > > E.g. Lord Siva has a short vowel at the end of his name, whereas > Goddess SivA has a long vowel. > > Another example. Many books (written by people who dont know enough > Sanskrit, though they may be wise and learned in other ways) say or > imply that the name of the Kali Yuga is the same word as "Kali" the > Goddess. > > The thing is, the name of the Goddess is more accurately written > KAlI, with two long vowels. > > The Kali in Kali Yuga has two short vowels.. He sometimes turns up > in Indian mythology as a masculine figure, a sort of demigod. > >>I think it would be valuable to have syllabic >> emphasis indicated, too, for those of us "phonetic" Sanskrit >> readers > > I might return to this one tomorrow... > > Best wishes > Colin > > > > > >> , "colin777au" <colinr@z...> >> wrote: >> > >> > Hello Mary Ann >> > >> > The capital A actually represents a long vowel sound, like > the "a" >> > in "father". The usual way of showing this in print is by > putting >> a >> > horizontal line over the "a". >> > >> > Om Shantih >> > Colin >> > >> > >> > , "Mary Ann" >> > <buttercookie61> wrote: >> > > >> > > I do not understand how to pronounce Sanskrit when it is > written >> > > with some letters mid-word or end-word capitalized. How is the >> > > subject line to be pronounced? Why is the "a" on the end >> > > of "Lalitha" capitalized? I would guess it means that is the >> > > syllable to emphasize, accented by the capital letter. But > when >> I >> > > try to say the words like that, I think they don't sound > right, >> > and >> > > probably aren't, so I'm asking this basic question. >> > > >> > > , "NMadasamy" >> > <nmadasamy@s...> >> > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > niskriyA : Without action. >> > > > >> > > > Because she is without action, whether ordained or > prohibited. >> > The >> > > > Sruti [chA. Up., VIII. 12.1] "Only one who has no body is >> > > unaffected by >> > > > likes and dislikes." >> > > > >> > > > Or the expression may mean, one who has become the actor and >> the >> > > > cause, ,etc., without the two means of action [material and >> > > > instrumental causes]. For the Visnu Pr. says, "Just as the >> > > fragrant >> > > > object is enough by its very presence to distract the mind, > so >> > > does the >> > > > Supreme Lord without help [the creation of the universe]." >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > BhAskarAya's Commentary. >> > > > Translated into English by R. Ananthakrishna Sastry > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 3 > Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:11:43 -0000 > "outragedlyrics" <outragedlyrics > Happy Navratri ! > > > > I like to wish all you guys a happy and blessed Navratri ! May Mother > shower Her blessing upon on the whole world. Jai Ma !!! > > !! Shree Nav Durga Rakhsa Mantra !! > > > !! OM Shailputri Maiya Rakhsa Karo !! > !! 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OM Bhaktidati Rakhsa Karo !! > !! OM Nav Durga Namah !! > !! OM Jag-Jana-ni Namah !! > > !! OM Siddhiratri Maiya Rakhsa Karo !! > !! OM Nav Durga Devi Rakhsa Karo !! > !! OM Nav Durga Namah !! > !! OM Jag-Jana-ni Namah !! > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 4 > Sat, 9 Apr 2005 21:36:16 -0700 (PDT) > Param <ayamtuparam > "Mary Ann" > > > Hari Om Everyone! > Mary ann said she doesn't understand > how to pronounce Sanskrit. This is Guru needed > according to Indian Tradition. > > Jai Srimata > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > > > ------ > Links > > > > > ------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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