Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Just like to share an except of conversation I had with a good friend sometime back. I've been persuaded that I should post and share this conversation in the group. [A] I just feel not right to mock or belittle other's guru. For others She is Devi send to them. She is their Guru. Do we know her personally? We have not even met her. How can we make such conclusions? What I dont like is to fall into this trap of accusing others just because they are different from what we understand. yes we can questions but we should not mock [A] Just like we are offended when somebody question the credibility of our guru right? All these character assassinators are no different from "murders". I was not offended. I just felt bad for them that an intelligent thoughtful person was wasting their time on such foolish negativity. [A] So what if their Guru is not real as by some people Standard, but you see others have accepted her as one and she have given them what they really wanted. Weather she is real or fake, that Devi will settle with her personally . For those who do not accept her as one should not belittle her. The important thing is that these people are searching for god, instead of searching for high-definition TV's and hi-performatance sports cars. [A] Mocking her is mocking the spirit of guru itself . That is why for people who like to go around engaging in character assassination on another person's guru, no matter what happen he/she will continue to see fake guru because that is what he have been doing mocking "fakes". Even if a real ones comes, he will not see. He will only see "fakes". For the spirit of guru will dissappear or not come to them at all. What have She done to them? She have done no harm to them. Did she take any money from them? or anything? Nothing at all! That's the trap, yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Just like to share an except of conversation I had with a good friend sometime back. I've been persuaded that I should post and share this conversation in the group. ---Yeah, I have a guru right now that I like just because he is imperfect andd natural. It's really joy creating to find out that one is as holy as their guru. This is the gurus purpose to me, not the guru as pedestal item for worship, but guru as uplifting factor in the mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 This is nice. , "Eve__69" <eve__69@h...> wrote: > > > Just like to share an except of conversation I had with a good > friend sometime back. I've been persuaded that I should post and > share this conversation in the group. > > ---Yeah, I have a guru right now that I like just because he is imperfect andd natural. It's really joy creating to find out that one is as holy as their guru. This is the gurus purpose to me, not the guru as pedestal item for worship, but guru as uplifting factor in the mind. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Another thought: it isn't necessary to put someone on a pedestal to recognize their gift(s). Also, if someone feels his/her guru is specially gifted, that's nice. If someone prefers a guru that s/he does not recognize as specially gifted, that's nice. Oooommmmmm...... , "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61> wrote: > > This is nice. > > , "Eve__69" <eve__69@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Just like to share an except of conversation I had with a good > > friend sometime back. I've been persuaded that I should post and > > share this conversation in the group. > > > > ---Yeah, I have a guru right now that I like just because he is > imperfect andd natural. It's really joy creating to find out that one > is as holy as their guru. This is the gurus purpose to me, not the > guru as pedestal item for worship, but guru as uplifting factor in the > mind. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Thanks, yeah you know, everyone is hiding their imperfections, and especially most gurus are all samsarically trying to be avatars or siddhas or some other thing, or at least perceived like that, because it pleasures their minds to feel so loved, but the real guru is a bum who you might pass on the way to work. Ppretty much despised but in full acceptance of that. In fact, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if one passed an Aghori, or Nath, or priest, or previous billionaire on the road. Because that's just the way it is. I'm not saying one should feel humiliated and give everyone money. These kinds of quandaries are samsaric and especially don't apply when one is broke. But to really look at the bum, maybe you know, they are God! Maybe you know, they are the guru, they certainly won't judge you. You just never know where the guru is or where you'll find it. It may be a pebble actually. Whatever destroys the duality of the mind ends its conflict creating peace and is therefore the opposite of toxic, especially if it brings such conflicts to the surface because then they have a chance to liberate. Ones spouse is certainly the guru. How many times do things come up merely to be forgotten later? Maybe try to forget first, and then when things come up just be present to acknowldge them as the mere contents of the mind, none of which really has any basis since it is of the nature of change, time, illusion, and mental aphrehension. Yes, better to forget first and then remember as things arise. - Mary Ann Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:39 PM Re: The Spirit of Guru This is nice. , "Eve__69" <eve__69@h...> wrote: > > > Just like to share an except of conversation I had with a good > friend sometime back. I've been persuaded that I should post and > share this conversation in the group. > > ---Yeah, I have a guru right now that I like just because he is imperfect andd natural. It's really joy creating to find out that one is as holy as their guru. This is the gurus purpose to me, not the guru as pedestal item for worship, but guru as uplifting factor in the mind. > > Sponsor Children International Would you give Hope to a Child in need? · Click Here to meet a Girl And Give Her Hope · Click Here to meet a Boy And Change His Life Learn More Links / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Yep, having the greatest guru on earth is mere ego and not very liberating. Obviously because here we still are in spite of all the great gurus. Best to find a not so great guru that one can work with. Yeah, Good job MA - Mary Ann Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:45 PMrating. Re: The Spirit of Guru Another thought: it isn't necessary to put someone on a pedestal to recognize their gift(s). Also, if someone feels his/her guru is specially gifted, that's nice. If someone prefers a guru that s/he does not recognize as specially gifted, that's nice. Oooommmmmm...... , "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61> wrote: > > This is nice. > > , "Eve__69" <eve__69@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Just like to share an except of conversation I had with a good > > friend sometime back. I've been persuaded that I should post and > > share this conversation in the group. > > > > ---Yeah, I have a guru right now that I like just because he is > imperfect andd natural. It's really joy creating to find out that one > is as holy as their guru. This is the gurus purpose to me, not the > guru as pedestal item for worship, but guru as uplifting factor in the > mind. > > > > Sponsor Children International Would you give Hope to a Child in need? · Click Here to meet a Girl And Give Her Hope · Click Here to meet a Boy And Change His Life Learn More Links / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Many years ago, a friend asked me to go to an Indian Import store, and buy her a small Trishul (metal trident, a symbol of Shiva, and sometimes of Shakti). As I emerged from the store, Trishul in hand, a ragged, dirty street-dwelling bag-lady saw me, stopped me, took the Trishul out of my hand, and danced wildly around me in the street. "You'll make quite the little devil with this pitchfork," she cackled, kissed the Trishul, handed it back to me, lifted her ragged shopping bags again and scurried down the street. I returned to work (I was on my lunch break)and called my friend. She asked me, "Could you get the Trishul?" and I replied, "Yes, and it comes blessed by Bhairavi Devi herself!" (Bhairavi being the Wisdom Goddess who lives as a homeless mendicant.) A homeless bum you pass by on the way to work may indeed be a Sat Guru. Or an avatar. The Guru is the teacher who helps you make the connection. The Guru is like God. You can make yourself like the Guru. Which means, eventually, you are like God. I am he as you are he and you are me and we are all together. Koo-kooka-joob! -- Len/ Kalipadma --- Eve__69 <eve__69 wrote: > Thanks, yeah you know, everyone is hiding their > imperfections, and especially most gurus are all > samsarically trying to be avatars or siddhas or some > other thing, or at least perceived like that, > because it pleasures their minds to feel so loved, > but the real guru is a bum who you might pass on the > way to work. Ppretty much despised but in full > acceptance of that. In fact, I wouldn't be the least > bit surprised if one passed an Aghori, or Nath, or > priest, or previous billionaire on the road. Because > that's just the way it is. I'm not saying one should > feel humiliated and give everyone money. These kinds > of quandaries are samsaric and especially don't > apply when one is broke. But to really look at the > bum, maybe you know, they are God! Maybe you know, > they are the guru, they certainly won't judge you. > You just never know where the guru is or where > you'll find it. It may be a pebble actually. > Whatever destroys the duality of the mind ends its > conflict creating peace and is therefore the > opposite of toxic, especially if it brings such > conflicts to the surface because then they have a > chance to liberate. Ones spouse is certainly the > guru. How many times do things come up merely to be > forgotten later? Maybe try to forget first, and > then when things come up just be present to > acknowldge them as the mere contents of the mind, > none of which really has any basis since it is of > the nature of change, time, illusion, and mental > aphrehension. Yes, better to forget first and then > remember as things arise. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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