Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 I have some new information this evening about this new pope. He said to the cardinals that he himself predicts that he will not be pope very long. He is 78. He tried to retire some time ago, but John Paul would not allow him. He said that he views his mission now as finishing John Paul's work, then prepare the way for a new long-term pope. So Benedict himself believes that he will not have much impact on the church. Sister Usha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 , "Sister Usha Devi" <sisterusha> wrote: > > I have some new information this evening about this new pope. He said > to the cardinals that he himself predicts that he will not be pope very > long. He is 78. He tried to retire some time ago, but John Paul would > not allow him. He said that he views his mission now as finishing John > Paul's work, then prepare the way for a new long-term pope. So Benedict > himself believes that he will not have much impact on the church. > > Sister Usha I am trying to understand why are we giving so much air time to this new pope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Because it's in the news. And many others are also wondering what it matters. - NMadasamy Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:24 PM Re: New Pope , "Sister Usha Devi" <sisterusha> wrote: > > I have some new information this evening about this new pope. He said > to the cardinals that he himself predicts that he will not be pope very > long. He is 78. He tried to retire some time ago, but John Paul would > not allow him. He said that he views his mission now as finishing John > Paul's work, then prepare the way for a new long-term pope. So Benedict > himself believes that he will not have much impact on the church. > > Sister Usha I am trying to understand why are we giving so much air time to this new pope? Sponsor Children International Would you give Hope to a Child in need? · Click Here to meet a Girl And Give Her Hope · Click Here to meet a Boy And Change His Life Learn More Links / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 In a message dated 4/20/2005 11:47:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kochu1tz writes: yeah. Lets stop this!! whether one likes it or not Rat Singer (nice name eh?) is there for a long time or short time. It does not matter. He will create trouble and political turmoil especially in India is beyond doubt. Do not forget that he used to head the modern version of inquisition. He canno burn ppl at stakes - true. But he will come close. But nature will take its course whether one likes it or not. I love reading all these posts. Personally, I am much more concerned about Ma Shakti and faith that is based eternally on nature not so much the in-between schizms of thought. Certainly all religions are a part of this grand scheme. Isn't it funny how hard it is for all of us to see past our own time frame? Seriously, it bothers me to think about my own death, but I cannot let my ego get the better of me! I know in my heart of hearts that so much has come before and so much will come after I am gone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 yeah. Lets stop this!! whether one likes it or not Rat Singer (nice name eh?) is there for a long time or short time. It does not matter. He will create trouble and political turmoil especially in India is beyond doubt. Do not forget that he used to head the modern version of inquisition. He canno burn ppl at stakes - true. But he will come close. But nature will take its course whether one likes it or not. NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: , "Sister Usha Devi" <sisterusha> wrote: > > I have some new information this evening about this new pope. He said > to the cardinals that he himself predicts that he will not be pope very > long. He is 78. He tried to retire some time ago, but John Paul would > not allow him. He said that he views his mission now as finishing John > Paul's work, then prepare the way for a new long-term pope. So Benedict > himself believes that he will not have much impact on the church. > > Sister Usha I am trying to understand why are we giving so much air time to this new pope? Sponsor Children InternationalWould you give Hope to a Child in need? ·Click Here to meet a Girl And Give Her Hope·Click Here to meet a Boy And Change His Life Learn More / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 I have read the posts on the new Pope with interest, and although I am new to this list I would like to add some insight to discussion.. The Pope Bennedict may be a powerful man who supposedly commands over a billion followers, however, I believe he is the heir to a degenerate form of Christianity. There are a number of books that have recently been published which explore this belief. "The Jesus Mysteries" and "Jesus and the Goddess" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy show how Jesus is best understood from a Gnostic and Pagan perspective and that Jesus and Mary were really Judaic versions of various Pagan God/Goddess couples. They show how the church, in its quest for power and domination, wiped out all records of the `real' first Christians and rewrote history and how they took a sublime myth and claimed that it was a literal history. Freke and Gandy even cast doubts on whether there really was a historical Jesus. (See their Jesus Mysteries website: click on either book cover to learn more at http://www.jesusmysteries.demon.co.uk/) "The Pagan Christ" by Tom Harpur (a former Anglican priest and former lecturer at the University of Toronto in Greek and New Testament studies and current columnist for the Toronto Star) claims that by today's standards that the New Testament would be considered a plagiarized document because most of the stories and parable found within it were actually written by ancient Egyptians thousands of years previously, and that the Jesus story was really a retelling of the "Isis-Osiris-Horus" Egyptian myth. (See his website http://www.tomharpur.com/). There is also a devoted to exploring this topic in more detail: http://www.geocities.com/thejesusanomaly/ will lead you to their information page that goes into much more detail than this post: Shortly after I read these posts I read the following passage from an academic expert on the Gnostic Gospels which shows some of the ways Christianity (as we know it) diverged from the truth.(Christian texts that the Church thought they had destroyed forever over 1500 years ago, but were found preserved in a jar in Nag Hamadi in Northern Egypt in 1945 – to read some of these ancient texts, though not all of them, go to http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html). It really highlights how the Catholic Church and all Christian literalists (i.e. all Christian today) have gotten it wrong. The following passage comes from "Beyond Belief: The Secret Gospel of Thomas" by Elaine Pagels. (however, all quotes in this extract come from another Gnostic text: the Gospel of Philip unless stated): >So, Philip writes, echoing Paul's Letter to the Galatians, many believers see themselves more as God's slaves than as God's children: but those who are baptized, like newborn infants, are meant to grow in faith toward hope, love, and understanding (gnosis): >"Faith is our earth, in which we take root; hope is the water through which we are nourished; love is the air through which we grow; gnosis is the light through which we become fully grown." >Thus, he explains, those who first confess faith in the virgin birth later come to a different understanding of what this means. Many believers, indeed, continue to take the virgin birth literally, as if Mary conceived apart from Joseph: "some say that Mary conceived through the holy spirit," but, Philip says, "they are in error." For, he explains, "virgin birth" is not simply something that happened once to Jesus; rather, it refers to what may happen to everyone who is baptized and so "born again" through the "virgin who came down," that is, through the holy spirit. Thus, as Jesus was born to Joseph and Mary, his human parents, and later was born spiritually when the holy spirit descended upon him at his baptism, so we, too, first born physically, may be "born again through the holy spirit" in baptism, so that "when we became Christians we came to have both a father and a mother," that is, both a heavenly Father and the holy spirit. >But Philip says that many people, whom he calls "the apostles and the apostolic ones," are "in error," since they remain oblivious of-- even offended by--this mystery. Such people, he continues, are also wrong about resurrection, since they take this, too, as if it could only be a unique event in which Christ died and rose bodily from the grave. Philip suggest instead that Jesus' resurrection, like his virgin birth, is not only something that occurred in the past but is a paradigm of what happens to each person who undergoes spiritual transformation. Philip quotes Paul's famous teaching on resurrection ("flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God," I Corinthians 15:50) to show that those who receive the holy spirit in baptism are not only "born again," but also "raised from the dead." >Someone might object, however, that this cannot be what resurrection means: didn't Jesus rise in the flesh? Philip answers that of course, "one must rise `in this flesh,' since in this world everything exists in [the flesh]." But he challenges those who take bodily resurrection literally. After all, he asks, "what is flesh?" In answer, he quotes from John's gospel to show that when Jesus told his disciples to "eat my flesh and drink my blood" (John 6:53), he was speaking in metaphor, since what he meant was that they were to partake of the sacred meal of bread and wine, which conveys Jesus' "flesh," that is, Philip suggests, his divine word, and his "blood," the holy spirit. >Philip thus discriminates between nominal Christians--those who claim to be Christians simply because they were baptized--and those who, after baptism, are spiritually transformed. He sees himself among the latter but does not congratulate himself for belonging to a spiritual elite: instead, he concludes by anticipating that ultimately all believers will be transformed, if not in this world then in eternity. Whoever undergoes such a transformation, he says "no longer is a Christian, but a Christ." (from "Beyond Belief: The Secret Gospel of Thomas" by Elaine Pagels). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 I hope I was not misunderstood. The reason I said is that people are complaining that we are not dealing with shakti sadhana as much as we should. Thats the very raison d'etere of our existence. We can have digressions, buts why not we keep it to the minimum? Just a friendly suggestion. swastik108 wrote:In a message dated 4/20/2005 11:47:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kochu1tz writes: yeah. Lets stop this!! whether one likes it or not Rat Singer (nice name eh?) is there for a long time or short time. It does not matter. He will create trouble and political turmoil especially in India is beyond doubt.Do not forget that he used to head the modern version of inquisition. He canno burn ppl at stakes - true. But he will come close. But nature will take its course whether one likes it or not. I love reading all these posts. Personally, I am much more concerned about Ma Shakti and faith that is based eternally on nature not so much the in-between schizms of thought. Certainly all religions are a part of this grand scheme. Isn't it funny how hard it is for all of us to see past our own time frame? Seriously, it bothers me to think about my own death, but I cannot let my ego get the better of me! I know in my heart of hearts that so much has come before and so much will come after I am gone! Sponsor Children InternationalWould you give Hope to a Child in need? ·Click Here to meet a Girl And Give Her Hope·Click Here to meet a Boy And Change His Life Learn More / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Ah, when Mary Ann responded to me about fear, I found that this subject was quite on point in relation to releasing fear in love of Mahakali. - "sankara menon" <kochu1tz <> Thursday, April 21, 2005 4:38 AM Re: Re: New Pope I hope I was not misunderstood. The reason I said is that people are complaining that we are not dealing with shakti sadhana as much as we should. Thats the very raison d'etere of our existence. We can have digressions, buts why not we keep it to the minimum? Just a friendly suggestion. swastik108 wrote:In a message dated 4/20/2005 11:47:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kochu1tz writes: yeah. Lets stop this!! whether one likes it or not Rat Singer (nice name eh?) is there for a long time or short time. It does not matter. He will create trouble and political turmoil especially in India is beyond doubt.Do not forget that he used to head the modern version of inquisition. He canno burn ppl at stakes - true. But he will come close. But nature will take its course whether one likes it or not. I love reading all these posts. Personally, I am much more concerned about Ma Shakti and faith that is based eternally on nature not so much the in-between schizms of thought. Certainly all religions are a part of this grand scheme. Isn't it funny how hard it is for all of us to see past our own time frame? Seriously, it bothers me to think about my own death, but I cannot let my ego get the better of me! I know in my heart of hearts that so much has come before and so much will come after I am gone! Sponsor Children InternationalWould you give Hope to a Child in need? ·Click Here to meet a Girl And Give Her Hope·Click Here to meet a Boy And Change His Life Learn More / Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 >The reason I said is that people are > complaining that we are not dealing with shakti sadhana as much as we > should. Agreed, but this does affect us and everyone else on Earth. The question of whether people of different faiths will interact in peace or with hostility is something that affects all people everywhere. As for what someone else said about Benedict/Ratzinger being former head of the Inquisition, therefore will come close to burning people at the stake, you do not know this. You cannot predict the future. People do change, and people trying to change for the better should be encouraged to do so. This man has said in the past few days since becoming pope that he wishes to reach out in friendship to people of other faiths. I hope that he means this. If he is sincere about this, we need to offer him the opportunity to reach out to us instead of rejecting his offer and proclaiming him evil before he has started. If he can succeed in bridging the gap between Christians and Hindus and establish some sort of positive rapport, this would be wonderful. But if he fails, it must not be our fault that it has. If he comes knocking on the door with a peace offering, we must not slam that door in his face. There is an old aphorism: you do not make peace with your friends. You make peace with your enemies. Sister Usha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 >I believe he is the heir to a > degenerate form of Christianity. All that you say is true and common knowledge in academic circles. My husband is a university professor in the United States and can spend hours discussing this. But this is irrelevant to what the people INSIDE the Catholic church believe. They will believe what they want to, regardless of the history involved. Siste Usha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 The Mother Goddess belongs at the heart of the Christian tradition. These books on 'true' Christianity have all been recently published. They in turn will spurn more books and more discussion and more thought. This will in turn open more people's minds. It will be like ripples expanding outward in a pond. The actual truth behind the Jesus/Sophia (Mary) myth is being unleashed into the world after having been supressed for over 1500 years. It is part of an ancient tradition that can be traced back through the myth of Isis-Osiris-Horus and right back to an ancient sceince of self-transformation. One very familiar to Hindus. I know of a number of people who have begun to open their eyes to this and look at Christianity in a different light. Of course, I live in Toronto and Tom Harpur (author of The Pagan Christ) lives here and writes for our largest newpaper (675,000 copies of his columns are printed in the paper every Saturday). His book has become a best seller in Canada. Groups have sprung up in church basements and living rooms all over Canada to study The Pagan Christ (Harpur has even written a study-guide for groups to follow that is now in the bookstores). Things are changing and the way I see it is that the Catholic Church has 1.1 billion people who are almost ready to take that next step - the one the acknowledges that the Virgin Mary and Mary Magdalene really symbollically represent higher and lower prakriti. --- Sister Usha Devi <sisterusha wrote: > > >I believe he is the heir to a > > degenerate form of Christianity. > > All that you say is true and common knowledge in > academic circles. My > husband is a university professor in the United > States and can spend > hours discussing this. > But this is irrelevant to what the people INSIDE > the Catholic > church believe. They will believe what they want to, > regardless of the > history involved. > > Siste Usha > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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