Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 93 , "childofdevi" <childofdevi > wrote: > I kindly request that you not malign the teachings of Abhinavagupta. > We have another adept(a real one) in Kashmir Shaivism (Virendra Qazi) A real adept? Wow, cool. May i put online the transcript of my talk with him? I won't do this unless he interferes for Ur protection though. But this very argument of Urs is queer... I can also bring forth some "real adepts" - yet i prefer to stand myself for my views. > and NONE of what you state jives with what I have read from him. Both of U are welcome to try to prove that my statements are bullshit . > fact I am reminded of a fanatical jihadi bent on believing that HE > alone is right and everything else is wrong. It is better to be > silent than to speak out rubbish. Come on, stick to insulting me personally ONLY. Then it's ok, i won't care to answer U. I may be rubbish myself. But what i told regarding this issue is true. Once again, U are welcome to prove the opposite. I am now inclined to believe that > you have absolutely no understanding of Kula let alone the lofty path of Yoga. Let U think in this way. > Tantraloka is neither smrithi nor sruthi; also you are not the > deciding authority on what is acceptable and what is not. When a > counterview is pointed out, it is "fabrication". It is a Shruti from the point of view of Abhinavagupta himself. While vedic scriptures according to him are vessels of shit . So why dont you > stick to your jihadi version of Kashmir Shaivism and I will go do > my "monkey excercises"-to each his own path. LOL No doubt . > Your statement of Shiva from Yoni tantra is repeated almost in every > purana and tantra - so you are really taking it out of context and > projecting it as the sole truth, a very serious case of spiritual > dyspeptism. Really? Should i provide the context or U have got the text to read? Puranas i do not really care LOL. While some Tantras indeed repeat this statement - which is in perfect correspondance with Yoni-tantra, due to the fact that all of them reveal the same doctrine of Kula. > Statements as what you make lead me to believe that most of spiritual truths of India have never left her shores and even in India it is in severely short supply. This is false to such a degree that it is not even needed to be argued . BTW you are not affiliated with the Tantra- > Sangha are you? I will consider this discussion closed since either > one of us is not enlightened - and so we are just wasting time > arguing back and forth. I am amazed by Ur reaction actually. If U wrote all this stuff being fully aware, then for sure there is no need to discuss further. I have neither time nor desire to go through volumes and put dozens of proofs for my words - moreover, that will be useless. I am not in Tantra-sangha and had never been a student there. Although visited it a few times before it's end in summer of 2000. Currently by grace of Devi i have gurus in two Kaula schools, both ethnic indians. This is not a self-advertising LOL, i say this just in order to clarify the matter for U. I hope the issue is closed . Thank U for Ur efforts in typing, U gave me the chance to speak. Love is the law, love under will. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Arjuna, In retrospect I think my reply was somewhat harsh and perhaps veering a little on side of exaggeration. I will blame the Divine Mother for this lapse of mine, for I am only Her vessel, SHE is in charge :-). I clearly behaved like a monkey (possibly from doing too many monkey excercises LOL). Please accept my humble apologies. 93 to you too! Best regards, -yogaman , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > 93 > > , "childofdevi" <childofdevi > > wrote: > > I kindly request that you not malign the teachings of Abhinavagupta. > > We have another adept(a real one) in Kashmir Shaivism (Virendra > Qazi) > > A real adept? Wow, cool. > May i put online the transcript of my talk with him? I won't do > this unless he interferes for Ur protection though. But this very > argument of Urs is queer... I can also bring forth some "real adepts" > - yet i prefer to stand myself for my views. > > > and NONE of what you state jives with what I have read from him. > > Both of U are welcome to try to prove that my statements are bullshit > . > > > fact I am reminded of a fanatical jihadi bent on believing that HE > > alone is right and everything else is wrong. It is better to be > > silent than to speak out rubbish. > > Come on, stick to insulting me personally ONLY. Then it's ok, i won't > care to answer U. I may be rubbish myself. But what i told regarding > this issue is true. > Once again, U are welcome to prove the opposite. > > I am now inclined to believe that > > you have absolutely no understanding of Kula let alone the lofty > path of Yoga. > > Let U think in this way. > > > Tantraloka is neither smrithi nor sruthi; also you are not the > > deciding authority on what is acceptable and what is not. When a > > counterview is pointed out, it is "fabrication". > > It is a Shruti from the point of view of Abhinavagupta himself. > While vedic scriptures according to him are vessels of shit . > > So why dont you > > stick to your jihadi version of Kashmir Shaivism and I will go do > > my "monkey excercises"-to each his own path. LOL > > No doubt . > > > Your statement of Shiva from Yoni tantra is repeated almost in every > > purana and tantra - so you are really taking it out of context and > > projecting it as the sole truth, a very serious case of spiritual > > dyspeptism. > > Really? Should i provide the context or U have got the text to read? > Puranas i do not really care LOL. While some Tantras indeed repeat > this statement - which is in perfect correspondance with Yoni- tantra, > due to the fact that all of them reveal the same doctrine of Kula. > > > Statements as what you make lead me to believe that most of > spiritual truths of India have never left her shores and even in India > it is in severely short supply. > > This is false to such a degree that it is not even needed to be argued > . > > BTW you are not affiliated with the Tantra- > > Sangha are you? I will consider this discussion closed since either > > one of us is not enlightened - and so we are just wasting time > > arguing back and forth. > > I am amazed by Ur reaction actually. If U wrote all this stuff being > fully aware, then for sure there is no need to discuss further. I have > neither time nor desire to go through volumes and put dozens of proofs > for my words - moreover, that will be useless. > > I am not in Tantra-sangha and had never been a student there. Although > visited it a few times before it's end in summer of 2000. > Currently by grace of Devi i have gurus in two Kaula schools, both > ethnic indians. This is not a self-advertising LOL, i say this just in > order to clarify the matter for U. > > I hope the issue is closed . Thank U for Ur efforts in typing, U > gave me the chance to speak. > > Love is the law, love under will. > A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 93 Accepted. With respect, A. , "childofdevi" <childofdevi ...... > 93 to you too! > > Best regards, > -yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 93, life will show who is right... show not to others, but to each one of us personally. myself i made my choice and i am perfectly happy with that . regards, A. , "childofdevi" <childofdevi > wrote: > Hi Arjuna, > > After reading your post, I went back and read Ganpra's post. A better > reply than Ganpra's reply could not have been given. Now it is clear > that somebody other than Ganpra is in need of "true understanding" : - > ). > > Thanks to Ganpra for that wise reply!!! > > -yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 93, I am happy to hear this . A sad fact, too many problems are rooted in trivial misunderstanding... Best wishes, A. , "childofdevi" <childofdevi> wrote: > Hi Arjuna, > > If this is what you REALLY meant, then we are in complete agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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