Kundalini

[Guest guest]

I fully agree that the aim is sayoojya for non srividya upasakas. SV upasakas

attain sayoojya the very moment they are initiated. They may or may not realise

it immediatly. But thats so. and on their shedding mortal coils they join the

Gurus in what is called guru mandala ever remaining seperate and concious of

their identity; and ever willing to come own when needed.

 

In hinduism everything is aimed at realising one's divine nature. But the

Taantrikas also realise that suppression is not the way. Hence some practices

for those who need it.

 

mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote:

 

I refer you to the answer i gave to lars.

 

No matter how hard you try, the ultimate aim of the indian religions is not

worldly, nor has it ever been.

 

Maybe you will be more happy with a new age based belief system?

 

 

, "Mary Ann"

<buttercookie61> wrote:

> I don't think it is accurate to put together the expansion and

> contraction of heart and breath with the concepts of aversion and

> attraction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I am not sad or anything. I was just making a statement. que sera seraaaaaaaaaaa

 

and your parama guru is absolutly right.

 

mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote:

Don´t be sad about that: the guru of my guru has said that if you feel something

moving down near the belly please go visit the Doctor it is most probably a

tape worm not a snake.

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> Just my two cents. There WERE 330 million Gods; now the figure has grown to

1.2+ Billion.

>

> Regarding Kundalini I know next to nothing. I been trying to goad it with

sticks and whatnot for 30+ years. But the fellow has not even stirred in

his/her/its sleep even

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

My High Priestess (I am an initiated Wiccan as well as

a Shakta) forwarded a post to me from a Neo-Pagan in

California.

 

This Neo-Pagan woman stated that she was very fond of

Hatha Yoga, and benefitted much from the physical

exercise, but was turned off by the spiritual aspects

of Hatha Yoga. "Why must they emphasize turning away

from Samsara?" she asked. "I am Pagan, and I love the

world of form. I look forward to all the fascinating

incarnations I will have in future lives. I want to

continue coming back, life after life."

 

I told the Pagan woman essentially the same thing that

Mahahradanatha says. The point of Hinduism (and

Buddhism) is to get OFF the wheel of Samsara. I felt

that she was probably very young, and very healthy.

When you get old, decrepit, and cranky (like me!) the

idea of merging with Brahman is no longer so

distasteful. Meanwhile, I suggested she enjoy the

health benefits of Hatha Yoga, and reserve judgement

on the spiritual aspects until she grows older and

more cranky.

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

--- mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote:

> I refer you to the answer i gave to lars.

>

> No matter how hard you try, the ultimate aim of the

> indian religions

> is not worldly, nor has it ever been.

> Maybe you will be more happy with a new age based

> belief system?

>

>

> , "Mary Ann"

> <buttercookie61> wrote:

> > I don't think it is accurate to put together the

> expansion and

> > contraction of heart and breath with the concepts

> of aversion and

> > attraction.

>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I do not know if all the Hindu or Asian spiritual teachings are as

you are rendering them, but I do feel that it is an inaccurate

statement to attach the concepts of aversion and attraction to

autonomic functions of body organs. There is expansion and

contraction, and that corresponds with body organs, and basic laws of

physics. Maybe this is what you mean? Otherwise, I think aversion and

attraction correspond to fight and flight response, and are part of

samsara, as such.

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> I fully agree that the aim is sayoojya for non srividya upasakas.

SV upasakas attain sayoojya the very moment they are initiated. They

may or may not realise it immediatly. But thats so. and on their

shedding mortal coils they join the Gurus in what is called guru

mandala ever remaining seperate and concious of their identity; and

ever willing to come own when needed.

>

> In hinduism everything is aimed at realising one's divine nature.

But the Taantrikas also realise that suppression is not the way.

Hence some practices for those who need it.

>

> mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha> wrote:

>

> I refer you to the answer i gave to lars.

>

> No matter how hard you try, the ultimate aim of the indian

religions is not worldly, nor has it ever been.

>

> Maybe you will be more happy with a new age based belief system?

>

>

> , "Mary Ann"

> <buttercookie61> wrote:

> > I don't think it is accurate to put together the expansion and

> > contraction of heart and breath with the concepts of aversion and

> > attraction.

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[Guest guest]

Poor sad Kochu with a tapeworm :-P

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> I am not sad or anything. I was just making a statement. que sera

seraaaaaaaaaaa

>

> and your parama guru is absolutly right.

>

> mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha> wrote:

> Don´t be sad about that: the guru of my guru has said that if you

feel something moving down near the belly please go visit the

Doctor it is most probably a tape worm not a snake.

>

> , sankara menon

<kochu1tz>

> wrote:

> > Just my two cents. There WERE 330 million Gods; now the figure

has grown to 1.2+ Billion.

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> > Regarding Kundalini I know next to nothing. I been trying to goad

it with sticks and whatnot for 30+ years. But the fellow has not even

stirred in his/her/its sleep even

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[Guest guest]

I know not much about the subject matter,but the comments

were hilarious and funny.We need some light moments like this

at times.

 

Chumki.

 

 

 

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> I am not sad or anything. I was just making a statement. que sera

seraaaaaaaaaaa

>

> and your parama guru is absolutly right.

>

> mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha> wrote:

> Don´t be sad about that: the guru of my guru has said that if you

feel something moving down near the belly please go visit the Doctor

it is most probably a tape worm not a snake.

>

> , sankara menon <kochu1tz>

> wrote:

> > Just my two cents. There WERE 330 million Gods; now the figure has

grown to 1.2+ Billion.

> >

> > Regarding Kundalini I know next to nothing. I been trying to goad

it with sticks and whatnot for 30+ years. But the fellow has not even

stirred in his/her/its sleep even

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[Guest guest]

Even if the Sarmoung Brother hood and the Nathas will now try to chop

off my head and offer it to the deity ofthe soil, i will tell you the

secret of the universe, because you ask so nice:

 

It is the same law governing all natural processe and the key to

understanding dynamic movements, no matter where they happen if in

the physical universe or the body or the mind. In physics it would +

particle in a positive charged state , neutral charge - negative

charged particle state. The negative charged particle has an aversion towards

the another negativly charged and attraction towards the positive and vice

versa, the neutral is non attached. Same goes for magnetism, body functions

etc.

This law is the working of the shaktis of Brahma Vishnu and Maheswara in the

universe and your body.

The queen of the universe is carrying the symbol of the control of

these powers in her hands, if the symbolism is applied to your mind

the goad represents repulsion and the noose attraction, the five

arrows the five senses and the Bow of sugarcane with the string of

bees is the mind.

 

To come back to the topic:

Applying the physics example to the context of kundalini meditation

the charge to the environment has to change from attraction (ie

positive charge, mind is moving toward outer objects (they being

negativly charged) to repulsion: the bio energies of the sense organs reverse

their charge, are then repulsed from the environment (outer objects) and turn

inward. This is the basis for kundalini meditation-you can call it "mind

isolation" if you like.

 

Attraction and repulsion is the cause, expansion and contraction is

the effect. Even if brathing is an autonomos process it has causes. If you try

to hold your outward breath you will notice the attraction towards inhalation

and the repulsion towards further exhalation.

 

But we are right at the heart of the matter now, Yoga and also

Kundalini has a lot to do with becoming aware of functions of the

body, especially autonomous functions. Thats why guidance is

necessary while attempting hatha and kundalini yoga exercises.

[Guest guest]

This also my opinion suppression is never healthy, one should find a

way of life that is natural,and satisfying for the mind, feeling and

body. Mind and feeling should be nourished as should be the body,

attachment is only getting stronger by suppression and the aim is to

be nonattached.

 

I know srvidya is different-very strange indeed and hard to

understand. Good to know that sv upasakas attain in the moment of

initiation, very sad indeed when they dont realize it. But sometimes

i get the impression a sv upasaka has no choice whether he likes it

or not if the devi wants him she takes him if she wants him to

realize he will realize it. If she wants him blind to certain things

(secrets) he is blind even if they are before his eyes.

[Guest guest]

, "Mary Ann"

<buttercookie61> wrote:

> Poor sad Kochu with a tapeworm :-P

>

 

Medication for tapeworms are horrible. I am told there are certain

type of chocolates good for tapeworms. We give this to children. Maybe

should send some to Kochu. hhhaaaa

[Guest guest]

Great idea! Recently, Devi Bhakta posted something about

chocolates in the shapes of various Hindu Gods and

Goddesses that might work

 

, "NMadasamy"

<nmadasamy@s...> wrote:

> , "Mary Ann"

> <buttercookie61> wrote:

> > Poor sad Kochu with a tapeworm :-P

> >

>

> Medication for tapeworms are horrible. I am told there are

certain

> type of chocolates good for tapeworms. We give this to

children. Maybe

> should send some to Kochu. hhhaaaa

[Guest guest]

There is no Kundalini in tantric Buddhism. Kundalini is a Hindu

concept.

 

There is only one dharma in Hinduism that defines the boundary in

which Artha which means the fine arts and kama which means erotic and sensual

satisfaction is to be practised.

 

Non attachment and repulsion towards Samsara is a prerequsite in

tantric Buddhism: before you are allowed to do the higher practices

of tantric buddhismus you must do the preliminary exercises

onehundredthousand times, every sincere practionier is doing them so

you must know them being a "tantric buddhist" The very first of the

preliminaries is the meditation on impermanence done to develop non

attachment for samsara

 

This is the index of the prayer of the 4 foundations:

The outer (ngondro) preliminaries concern meditation on:

 

a.) the advantages of human rebirth

b.) impermanence

c.) the workings of karma

d.) the suffering of living beings within cyclic existence

 

These are also called "developing the four reverse attitudes". These attitudes

reverse your mind from its diluted phenomena state.

 

here the sample:

"KYE TSHED MI TAG CHI WAI CHO CHAN YIN"

Everything born is impermanent and bound to die.

 

"GE DIG LE KYI GYU DRE LU WA MED"

The results of virtuous and unvirtuous actions (which are causes) are

inexorable.

 

"KHAM SUM KHOR WA DUG NGAL GYA TSHOI NGANG"

The three realms of cyclic existence have the nature of an ocean of

suffering.

 

DI ZUNG CHANG CHUB NYING PO MA THOB BAR"

>From now until attaining the heart of enlightenment

 

"LAMA KON CHOG SUM LA KYAB SU CHI"

I take refuge in the Guru, the Three Jewels.

 

 

Here is the text with a commentary:

 

http://essenes.net/vajra57.html

 

 

Article on the 4 foundations of practice:

http://www.namobuddhapub.org/books/08-Four-Foundations-2001.pdf

 

I rest my case........another great tantric bites the dust.

[Guest guest]

I know srvidya is different-very strange indeed and hard to

understand. Good to know that sv upasakas attain in the moment of

initiation, very sad indeed when they dont realize it. But sometimes

i get the impression a sv upasaka has no choice whether he likes it

or not if the devi wants him she takes him if she wants him to

realize he will realize it. If she wants him blind to certain things

(secrets) he is blind even if they are before his eyes.

 

-----That was pretty!

 

 

[Guest guest]

I realize this isn't Hindu, but consider Severed-Headed

Vajrayogini if you fear your head will be chopped off for sharing

information. She holds her head in her hand, and out of her

neck/body flows streams of nourishing liquid into the mouths of

others, and into her own head as it sits on her outstretched hand

 

I was thinking about magnetic attraction/repulsion after I posted.

I didn't realize that electromagnetism causes the expansion and

contraction of the heart, lungs, muscles, etc. though I knew we

have electrical energy in our bodies. Thanks for mentioning it!

Interpersonal attraction and aversion has always seemed

samsaric because people tend to run away from (or fight) what

they are afraid of or don't understand. Some may never even

know what it is they are avoiding through fight or flight - it could

be the development of awareness, even enlightenment.

 

 

, "mahahradanatha"

<mahahradanatha> wrote:

> Even if the Sarmoung Brother hood and the Nathas will now try

to chop

> off my head and offer it to the deity ofthe soil, i will tell you the

> secret of the universe, because you ask so nice:

>

> It is the same law governing all natural processe and the key to

> understanding dynamic movements, no matter where they

happen if in

> the physical universe or the body or the mind. In physics it

would +

> particle in a positive charged state , neutral charge - negative

> charged particle state. The negative charged particle has an

aversion towards the another negativly charged and attraction

towards the positive and vice versa, the neutral is non attached.

Same goes for magnetism, body functions etc.

> This law is the working of the shaktis of Brahma Vishnu and

Maheswara in the universe and your body.

> The queen of the universe is carrying the symbol of the control

of

> these powers in her hands, if the symbolism is applied to your

mind

> the goad represents repulsion and the noose attraction, the

five

> arrows the five senses and the Bow of sugarcane with the

string of

> bees is the mind.

>

> To come back to the topic:

> Applying the physics example to the context of kundalini

meditation

> the charge to the environment has to change from attraction

(ie

> positive charge, mind is moving toward outer objects (they

being

> negativly charged) to repulsion: the bio energies of the sense

organs reverse their charge, are then repulsed from the

environment (outer objects) and turn inward. This is the basis

for kundalini meditation-you can call it "mind isolation" if you like.

>

> Attraction and repulsion is the cause, expansion and

contraction is

> the effect. Even if brathing is an autonomos process it has

causes. If you try to hold your outward breath you will notice the

attraction towards inhalation and the repulsion towards further

exhalation.

>

> But we are right at the heart of the matter now, Yoga and also

> Kundalini has a lot to do with becoming aware of functions of

the

> body, especially autonomous functions. Thats why guidance is

> necessary while attempting hatha and kundalini yoga

exercises.

[Guest guest]

There is no Kundalini in tantric Buddhism. Kundalini is a Hindu

concept.

 

---Oh, ok, that's good.

 

 

There is only one dharma in Hinduism that defines the boundary in

which Artha which means the fine arts and kama which means erotic and sensual

satisfaction is to be practised.

 

----???

 

Non attachment and repulsion towards Samsara is a prerequsite in

tantric Buddhism: before you are allowed to do the higher practices

of tantric buddhismus you must do the preliminary exercises

onehundredthousand times, every sincere practionier is doing them so

you must know them being a "tantric buddhist" The very first of the

preliminaries is the meditation on impermanence done to develop non

attachment for samsara

 

----Yeah, you're right.

 

 

----4 Noble truths. 4 thoughts that turn the mind away from samsara. Very Good.

Beautiful.

 

"KYE TSHED MI TAG CHI WAI CHO CHAN YIN"

Everything born is impermanent and bound to die.

 

"GE DIG LE KYI GYU DRE LU WA MED"

The results of virtuous and unvirtuous actions (which are causes) are

inexorable.

 

"KHAM SUM KHOR WA DUG NGAL GYA TSHOI NGANG"

The three realms of cyclic existence have the nature of an ocean of

suffering.

 

DI ZUNG CHANG CHUB NYING PO MA THOB BAR"

>From now until attaining the heart of enlightenment

 

"LAMA KON CHOG SUM LA KYAB SU CHI"

I take refuge in the Guru, the Three Jewels.

 

 

I rest my case........another great tantric bites the dust.

 

---As they all do!

 

 

[Guest guest]

There is no Kundalini in tantric Buddhism. Kundalini is a Hindu

concept.

 

 

---Well, this may be true from a purusal of the internet, just as how there's no

God in Buddhism, and yet there is kundalini and Gods, and God. So what am I to

say to you? Rather, than judging what I said based upon visual evidence from

the internet which under samaya is what face is allowed to be presented to the

unitiated, it would be better to realize that not all mysteries are displayed

openly, and also, in case you think different, there acttually is no Hinduism,

nor Brahman. Those are just fatuous British terms for the religion of the

Brahmin caste. Payed for by the power clinging Kshatriya.

 

Lama Yeshe is fond of talking about kundalini, he says,

 

"

Control of Kundalini

Lama.Yeshe:Control of kundalini energy (=libido, sexual energy, naga

energy) is important even in ordinary orgasm. You cannot have a perfect orgasm

if you cannot control your energy. It is the same in tantra. You cannot

experience perfect bliss if you cannot control your energy. The fact is that if

we lose our energy, we have to energy to utilize. In order to use energy, we

need energy. If we don't have it, we cannot use it. This is logical, and you can

see it clearly from your own experience. When you concentrate well and control

your energy, you can experience more bliss, which you then unify with the wisdom

of nonduality.

If kundalini starts to flow uncontrollably during your meditation and you

begin to experience orgasm, try as much as possible to hold it and have it

expand inside the secret chakra. Try to hold the energy there as long as

possible. The longer you can hold it, the more pleasure you will experience and

the more possibility you will have of utilizing that pleasure by unifying it

with the universal reality of nonduality. In this way, you learn to control your

body as well as your mind.

 

"

>From http://www.iol.ie/~taeger/yesheque/yesheque.html

 

Obviously when Lama Yeshe said kundalini, he didn't say, cow pucky, or goo goo

gaw gaw or something else. He used the explicit phrase of kundalini to describe

a Buddhist tantrika's experience. How then to reconcile with the purile

understanding of the uninterested, non-Buddhist, make a point at all cost

mentality? Ah, no way to reconcile unfortunately. The tantric door guardians

are as compelling or frightening as those on Indian temples. If not too

compelling and frightening. For what other sect of householders besides the

Ngakpas practice the chod of Mahakali and are as her very own children. Oh, I

suppose there is no kundalini there either?!

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oops, I had forgotten about Chinnimasta, the Hindu version of

Severed Head Vajrayogini.

 

, "Mary Ann"

<buttercookie61> wrote:

> I realize this isn't Hindu, but consider Severed-Head

> Vajrayogini if you fear your head will be chopped off for sharing

> information. She holds her head in her hand, and out of her

> neck/body flows streams of nourishing liquid into the mouths

of

> others, and into her own head as it sits on her outstretched

hand

>

>

> I was thinking about magnetic attraction/repulsion after I

posted.

> I didn't realize that electromagnetism causes the expansion

and

> contraction of the heart, lungs, muscles, etc. though I knew we

> have electrical energy in our bodies. Thanks for mentioning it!

> Interpersonal attraction and aversion has always seemed

> samsaric because people tend to run away from (or fight) what

> they are afraid of or don't understand. Some may never even

> know what it is they are avoiding through fight or flight - it could

> be the development of awareness, even enlightenment.

>

>

> , "mahahradanatha"

> <mahahradanatha> wrote:

> > Even if the Sarmoung Brother hood and the Nathas will now

try

> to chop

> > off my head and offer it to the deity ofthe soil, i will tell you the

> > secret of the universe, because you ask so nice:

> >

> > It is the same law governing all natural processe and the key

to

> > understanding dynamic movements, no matter where they

> happen if in

> > the physical universe or the body or the mind. In physics it

> would +

> > particle in a positive charged state , neutral charge - negative

> > charged particle state. The negative charged particle has an

> aversion towards the another negativly charged and attraction

> towards the positive and vice versa, the neutral is non

attached.

> Same goes for magnetism, body functions etc.

> > This law is the working of the shaktis of Brahma Vishnu and

> Maheswara in the universe and your body.

> > The queen of the universe is carrying the symbol of the

control

> of

> > these powers in her hands, if the symbolism is applied to

your

> mind

> > the goad represents repulsion and the noose attraction, the

> five

> > arrows the five senses and the Bow of sugarcane with the

> string of

> > bees is the mind.

> >

> > To come back to the topic:

> > Applying the physics example to the context of kundalini

> meditation

> > the charge to the environment has to change from attraction

> (ie

> > positive charge, mind is moving toward outer objects (they

> being

> > negativly charged) to repulsion: the bio energies of the sense

> organs reverse their charge, are then repulsed from the

> environment (outer objects) and turn inward. This is the basis

> for kundalini meditation-you can call it "mind isolation" if you

like.

> >

> > Attraction and repulsion is the cause, expansion and

> contraction is

> > the effect. Even if brathing is an autonomos process it has

> causes. If you try to hold your outward breath you will notice the

> attraction towards inhalation and the repulsion towards further

> exhalation.

> >

> > But we are right at the heart of the matter now, Yoga and also

> > Kundalini has a lot to do with becoming aware of functions

of

> the

> > body, especially autonomous functions. Thats why guidance

is

> > necessary while attempting hatha and kundalini yoga

> exercises.

[Guest guest]

Mahahradanatha wrote:

 

"In the "Hindu" philosophy there are 4 legitimate Aims of Mankind

Dharma Artha Kama and Moksha.

That means worldy activity (artha and Kama)is a legitimate aim of

mankind, but to follow that the Aim it is a common basis of all asian

belief systems that it is necessary to have a repulsion towards

samsara.

 

This should be known to anybody interest in "Hindu" .

I am sorry to say so but it appears amusing and a little bit absurd

to me that i have to defend this position in a group that is called

Sakta Sadhana."

 

Well, I hope this group also has space for other interpretations than hindu?

Personally I prefer a mixture between east and west in a way Paul Brunton did.

This is ofcourse not to say that my path is better than yours - but to me it

feels better.

 

On the homepage of this group is written about the Divine mother:

 

"Some conceive of Her as the Shakti (Supreme Energy) of Shiva (Supreme

Consciousness); others worship Her as Brahman Itself, holding that all other

forms of Divinity are but Her diverse manifestations."

 

Why is it that people do not have the same opinion about the Divine Mother, what

she really is etc?

 

Regards

 

Lars

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote:

 

"I refer you to the answer i gave to lars.

No matter how hard you try, the ultimate aim of the indian religions is not

worldly, nor has it ever been. "

 

That is why India also has been so dominated by other countries - UK for

example.

 

If there is any meaning with universe, there must be a meaning also with the

life on earth.

 

Regards

 

Lars

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mahahradanatha wrote:

 

"No matter how hard you try, the ultimate aim of the indian religions

is not worldly, nor has it ever been."

 

Rudolf Steiner meant that we ought to bring in spirituality into the world to

make it better.

 

First yoga - to get a better moral, engagement, fighting spirit, to get to know

what universe really wants with us - then realizing this in the outer world -

this is my personal religion in this incarnation.

 

"Maybe you will be more happy with a new age based belief system?"

 

No, I have tried New Age and it is like light beer while yoga is more like LSD -

in the sense of transforming you to a better human being, to assume your full

humanity!

 

Regards

 

Lars

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The simple reason there is no unanimity is that teh shastras say "eko satya

budhaaH bahudhaa vadanti". The truth is one it is interpreted differently by the

learned.

 

It is this unity in diversity thats the spice of sadhana.

It accommodates all ideas because none are really untrue.

 

We have space for ALL interpretations. I have noticed some interpretations give

rise to personal acrimony. IMHO That should not be. It is unfair to attack on

personal level. Let us do it on the point of intellectual jousing.

 

Thank you.

 

Lars Hedström <lars wrote:

Mahahradanatha wrote:

 

"In the "Hindu" philosophy there are 4 legitimate Aims of Mankind Dharma Artha

Kama and Moksha.

That means worldy activity (artha and Kama)is a legitimate aim of mankind, but

to follow that the Aim it is a common basis of all asian belief systems that it

is necessary to have a repulsion towards samsara.

 

This should be known to anybody interest in "Hindu" .

I am sorry to say so but it appears amusing and a little bit absurd to me that i

have to defend this position in a group that is called Sakta Sadhana."

 

Well, I hope this group also has space for other interpretations than hindu?

Personally I prefer a mixture between east and west in a way Paul Brunton did.

This is ofcourse not to say that my path is better than yours - but to me it

feels better.

 

On the homepage of this group is written about the Divine mother:

 

"Some conceive of Her as the Shakti (Supreme Energy) of Shiva (Supreme

Consciousness); others worship Her as Brahman Itself, holding that all other

forms of Divinity are but Her diverse manifestations."

 

Why is it that people do not have the same opinion about the Divine Mother, what

she really is etc?

 

Regards

 

Lars

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The simple reason there is no unanimity is that teh shastras say "eko satya

budhaaH bahudhaa vadanti". The truth is one it is interpreted differently by the

learned.

 

It is this unity in diversity thats the spice of sadhana.

It accommodates all ideas because none are really untrue.

 

We have space for ALL interpretations. I have noticed some interpretations give

rise to personal acrimony. IMHO That should not be. It is unfair to attack on

personal level. Let us do it on the point of intellectual jousting.

 

Thank you.

 

Lars Hedström <lars wrote:

Mahahradanatha wrote:

 

"In the "Hindu" philosophy there are 4 legitimate Aims of Mankind Dharma Artha

Kama and Moksha.

That means worldy activity (artha and Kama)is a legitimate aim of mankind, but

to follow that the Aim it is a common basis of all asian belief systems that it

is necessary to have a repulsion towards samsara.

 

This should be known to anybody interest in "Hindu" .

I am sorry to say so but it appears amusing and a little bit absurd to me that i

have to defend this position in a group that is called Sakta Sadhana."

 

Well, I hope this group also has space for other interpretations than hindu?

Personally I prefer a mixture between east and west in a way Paul Brunton did.

This is ofcourse not to say that my path is better than yours - but to me it

feels better.

 

On the homepage of this group is written about the Divine mother:

 

"Some conceive of Her as the Shakti (Supreme Energy) of Shiva (Supreme

Consciousness); others worship Her as Brahman Itself, holding that all other

forms of Divinity are but Her diverse manifestations."

 

Why is it that people do not have the same opinion about the Divine Mother, what

she really is etc?

 

Regards

 

Lars

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Eve 69:

 

"Buddhist tantra is the only tantra specifically formulated to make samsara into

nirvana through realization through daily life and not through retreats and

running always elsewhere."

 

But surely, this is also an attitude of hindu tantra?

 

Regards

 

Lars

 

 

[Guest guest]

Did I say only? OK, not only. That was my mistake. I have total respect for

all the tantras as not to do so is to try to grasp something after cutting off

ones fingers. Before going Buddhist I was so very close to going Sri Vidya. In

fact, even now I do the Khadgamala and some open Sri Vidya - lay teachings just

out of love of Sri. And then after just starting Kalachakra aproximation I have

found some of the same joy of Sri in Sri Kalachakra and Sri Vishvamata. I may

yet seek out the Sri lineage from Swami Amritananda if the chance is presented.

I think that to limit oneself to one religion is anti-universal, and as the

universal is the liberator, one loses chances for liberation, the more narrow

the focus.

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Lars Hedström

Friday, April 29, 2005 5:31 AM

Re: Re: Kundalini

 

 

Eve 69:

 

"Buddhist tantra is the only tantra specifically formulated to make samsara

into nirvana through realization through daily life and not through retreats and

running always elsewhere."

 

But surely, this is also an attitude of hindu tantra?

 

Regards

 

Lars

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

every path states it is THE ONLY path. It is true- it is THE ONLY path for "its

adherents". It is not the EXCLUSIVIST DOCTORINE of christianity.

 

This aspect is what is being lost sight of with claims of exclusivity.

 

Lars Hedström <lars wrote:

Eve 69:

 

"Buddhist tantra is the only tantra specifically formulated to make samsara into

nirvana through realization through daily life and not through retreats and

running always elsewhere."

 

But surely, this is also an attitude of hindu tantra?

 

Regards

 

Lars

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I didn't say only path. But the means of these Buddhist tantras have at

their base the yabyum which is a householder thing obviously, and yet, they

are used by monks for Mahamudra. This is what I meant, below.

 

 

"Buddhist tantra is the only tantra specifically formulated to make samsara

into nirvana through realization through daily life and not through retreats

and running always elsewhere."

 

But surely, this is also an attitude of hindu tantra?

 

----I can't say exactly, as most of what the west knows of kaula is merely

based on the fantasies of Robert Svoboda and his imaginary Don Juan named

Vimalananda.

 

Regards

 

Lars

 

 

 

 

 

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