debate Abhinava-Yogaman

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> I kindly request that you not malign the teachings of Abhinavagupta.

> We have another adept (a real one) in Kashmir Shaivism (Virendra Qazi)

> and NONE of what you state jives with what I have read from him. In

> fact I am reminded of a fanatical jihadi bent on believing that HE

> alone is right and everything else is wrong. It is better to be

> silent than to speak out rubbish. I am now inclined to believe that

> you have absolutely no understanding of Kula let alone the lofty path

> of Yoga.

>

> Tantraloka is neither smrithi nor sruthi; also you are not the

> deciding authority on what is acceptable and what is not. When a

> counterview is pointed out, it is "fabrication". So why dont you

> stick to your jihadi version of Kashmir Shaivism and I will go do

> my "monkey excercises"-to each his own path. LOL

 

 

Dear friends,

 

Today was the inauguration of Pope Benedictus XVI. He is 'the sadguru'

of a billion people worldwide. The ceremony was broadcasted all over

the planet. Representatives from every religion were invited and

present.

 

I believe that Tantra is also a religion isn't it? It has its own

theology which is indeed superbly developed in Kashmir Saivism. In

Kashmir Saivism there are several schools. Every school is basically a

lineage. There are several worthwhile lineages in Shakti-sadhana.

 

You know why there was no representative from Tantra in Rome today ... ?

 

The answer is not hard

 

Because even these highly intelligent people like Arjuna and Yogaman -

who know so much about Tantra and are even blessed - are quarreling

with each other and calling names. This field lacks basic respect for

each other. It is a chaos. Everybody thinks themselves, their

interpretation and teachings to be superior. We need to honour each

other instead of attacking our brothers (and sisters).

 

Tantra is very beautiful and it has tremendous potential in the world

today. The field is also totally scattered. There is not an authoritive

figure who is respected by all. Even though some tantrics are

officially recognised and initiated as a Mahamandeleshvar.

 

Tantra is no threat to Islam or Christianity. The Vatican pays no

attention to this 'heretic philosophy and praxis'. Tantrics have hardly

any power/influence in the world. They are very busy slaughtering each

other and believing themselves to be wiser.

 

There is a lot we can learn 'even' from christian practitioners. There

is no reason to be arrogant at all.

 

OM

 

Ralph Nataraj

author of 'Himalayan Mysticism'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Tantra is no threat to Islam or Christianity. The Vatican pays no

attention to this 'heretic philosophy and praxis'. Tantrics have hardly

any power/influence in the world. They are very busy slaughtering each

other and believing themselves to be wiser.

 

There is a lot we can learn 'even' from christian practitioners. There

is no reason to be arrogant at all.

 

OM

 

Ralph Nataraj

author of 'Himalayan Mysticism'

 

 

 

---Well, nonetheless This Pope has in his autoeroticism comments on Buddhism

shown his bias against meditation and spiritual exploration, which is ipso facto

what tantra is about. One forgets that the Dalai lama is a tantric adept, as are

many of the Tibetan Lamas that abound today. The tantras of the Hindus are the

truely secret ones today. The reason that two Hindu tantrics are not able to

agree is that there is no well known Hindu tantric lineage with hard copies of

its ontology, epistemology, and ethics. In fact one could argue that prior to

the web not one person here would be able to discuss comparatively any of these

concepts with people of other lineages without much traveling in time and

distance.

 

Furthermore, the North of India and South, nay, all the four quarters of India

are completely different in beliefs, even to the tune of not one but two

different Ramayanas. So it's incorrect to say that tantrics are slaughtering

each other, because if such is the case it hasn't been in the newspapers. I

would like to see sources.

 

Finally, what was shown on TV about the Pope and his inauguration and the

surrounding synchophants really had very little content as it couldn't show even

the tip of a hair of the inner state of the acolytes collected. Nor were the

people there shown interacting. If no riots broke out one could ostensibly

praise the Vatican Guard perhaps for showing a presence and keeping the peace.

Judgement of tantra, its practices, adepts, or their arguments from a Christian

perspective is rather like a blind man searching for a light switch on the wrong

wall.

 

Nonetheless, sure we could learn from Christians like for instance a Baptist I

know tells me, "We no longer have to make sacrifices to God because Jesus made

the ultimate sacrifice." That could be a very profound concept to a Hindu

especially. So sure, always things to learn. Thanks for that. But I don't

think that anything that one sees on TV can be considered in any way true. Nor

anything one reads on the internet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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