Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 , "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61> wrote: > > Another thought: someone posted the other day that a person > only gets to a place of enlightenment by first feeling "disgust" > with aspects of physicality (these are my words, what I got from > the post, which had to do with yoga, body mechanics, and the > discussion of kundalini awakening). To me, the "disgust" > referred to sounded like aversion, as in attraction/aversion, > samsara, etc. Could there be a better word than "disgust" to > describe what was meant? Here is what Mata Amritanandamayi says that maybe of help (paraphrased, not quoted verbatim): 1. At a time when you have an intense fever, you lose value for the everyday events of the world and in fact may find it "disgusting". 2. A lover may find solace only in the arms of her boyfriend; she finds the rest of the world (for that moment) "disgusting". So, disgust here is an "intense disinterest" that needs to be focussed and harnessed till we achieve the goal. Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 I found this on the web this morning. I have never heard of this guru until today, but offer it in response to the use of the word "disgust." "On Enlightenment Here is a writing by Brahman-Atmananda that I just rediscovered. ... Enlightenment is a non-differentiated state of consciousness, this non-differentiated state is active and not passive, not a state of blank or annihilation of mind and emotions as many well-known theorists postulate. I said "non-differentiated" because enlightenment is essentially unity consciousness, meaning that the interrelatedness of everything within and beyond creation has been realized and is being actualized in thought, speech and actions. Contrary to what others say, an enlightened person doesn't loose his taste and excitement for the phenomenal world. Like a physiology student who is just starting to familiarize with the more complex functions of his own body, the enlightened human being is excited to explore his infinite selfhood through so many objects, bodies, and ideas. There is no greed or attachment because all are one, but that doesn't mean that there is no fun. The fun never stops, this is why those who have actualized this state describes it as satchidananda (ever-conscious, ever-existing, ever-new joy)." The above is from http://www.americanswami.com/yoga/yoga/ , "manoj_menon" <ammasmon@s...> wrote: > > , "Mary Ann" > <buttercookie61> wrote: > > > > Another thought: someone posted the other day that a person > > only gets to a place of enlightenment by first feeling "disgust" > > with aspects of physicality (these are my words, what I got from > > the post, which had to do with yoga, body mechanics, and the > > discussion of kundalini awakening). To me, the "disgust" > > referred to sounded like aversion, as in attraction/aversion, > > samsara, etc. Could there be a better word than "disgust" to > > describe what was meant? > > Here is what Mata Amritanandamayi says that maybe of help > (paraphrased, not quoted verbatim): > 1. At a time when you have an intense fever, you lose value for the > everyday events of the world and in fact may find it "disgusting". > 2. A lover may find solace only in the arms of her boyfriend; she > finds the rest of the world (for that moment) "disgusting". > > So, disgust here is an "intense disinterest" that needs to be focussed > and harnessed till we achieve the goal. > > Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Thank you. The word disgust is itself disgusting, and means that we can't swollow because we can't digest. The yogi takes it all in and digests it all, turning the essence into amrit. In Linga Purana it says that Siva can eat nails and whole pigs and turn it into soma. The real yogi sees existance in the sense of the Purusha Sukta. From Purusha is Purusha born, to Purusha is Purusha immolated. - Mary Ann Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:29 AM Re: Kundalini - "Disgust" attempted to define. I found this on the web this morning. I have never heard of this guru until today, but offer it in response to the use of the word "disgust." "On Enlightenment Here is a writing by Brahman-Atmananda that I just rediscovered. ... Enlightenment is a non-differentiated state of consciousness, this non-differentiated state is active and not passive, not a state of blank or annihilation of mind and emotions as many well-known theorists postulate. I said "non-differentiated" because enlightenment is essentially unity consciousness, meaning that the interrelatedness of everything within and beyond creation has been realized and is being actualized in thought, speech and actions. Contrary to what others say, an enlightened person doesn't loose his taste and excitement for the phenomenal world. Like a physiology student who is just starting to familiarize with the more complex functions of his own body, the enlightened human being is excited to explore his infinite selfhood through so many objects, bodies, and ideas. There is no greed or attachment because all are one, but that doesn't mean that there is no fun. The fun never stops, this is why those who have actualized this state describes it as satchidananda (ever-conscious, ever-existing, ever-new joy)." The above is from http://www.americanswami.com/yoga/yoga/ , "manoj_menon" <ammasmon@s...> wrote: > > , "Mary Ann" > <buttercookie61> wrote: > > > > Another thought: someone posted the other day that a person > > only gets to a place of enlightenment by first feeling "disgust" > > with aspects of physicality (these are my words, what I got from > > the post, which had to do with yoga, body mechanics, and the > > discussion of kundalini awakening). To me, the "disgust" > > referred to sounded like aversion, as in attraction/aversion, > > samsara, etc. Could there be a better word than "disgust" to > > describe what was meant? > > Here is what Mata Amritanandamayi says that maybe of help > (paraphrased, not quoted verbatim): > 1. At a time when you have an intense fever, you lose value for the > everyday events of the world and in fact may find it "disgusting". > 2. A lover may find solace only in the arms of her boyfriend; she > finds the rest of the world (for that moment) "disgusting". > > So, disgust here is an "intense disinterest" that needs to be focussed > and harnessed till we achieve the goal. > > Jai Ma! Links / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Mary Ann, These are two different contexts. Disgust (defined as "intense disinterest") is your attitude while you do sadhana to attain elightenment. (This is akin to skipping a party to study for a test with the intent of clearing it). Fun (as described by the Swami here) is your attitude AFTER enlightenment. (Enjoy the party now!) Jai Ma! , "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61> wrote: > > I found this on the web this morning. I have never heard of this > guru until today, but offer it in response to the use of the word > "disgust." > > "On Enlightenment > > Here is a writing by Brahman-Atmananda that I just > rediscovered. ... > > Enlightenment is a non-differentiated state of consciousness, > this non-differentiated state is active and not passive, not a state > of blank or annihilation of mind and emotions as many > well-known theorists postulate. I said "non-differentiated" > because enlightenment is essentially unity consciousness, > meaning that the interrelatedness of everything within and > beyond creation has been realized and is being actualized in > thought, speech and actions. > > Contrary to what others say, an enlightened person doesn't > loose his taste and excitement for the phenomenal world. Like a > physiology student who is just starting to familiarize with the > more complex functions of his own body, the enlightened human > being is excited to explore his infinite selfhood through so many > objects, bodies, and ideas. There is no greed or attachment > because all are one, but that doesn't mean that there is no fun. > The fun never stops, this is why those who have actualized this > state describes it as satchidananda (ever-conscious, > ever-existing, ever-new joy)." > > The above is from http://www.americanswami.com/yoga/yoga/ > > > > , "manoj_menon" > <ammasmon@s...> wrote: > > > > , "Mary Ann" > > <buttercookie61> wrote: > > > > > > Another thought: someone posted the other day that a > person > > > only gets to a place of enlightenment by first feeling "disgust" > > > with aspects of physicality (these are my words, what I got > from > > > the post, which had to do with yoga, body mechanics, and the > > > discussion of kundalini awakening). To me, the "disgust" > > > referred to sounded like aversion, as in attraction/aversion, > > > samsara, etc. Could there be a better word than "disgust" to > > > describe what was meant? > > > > Here is what Mata Amritanandamayi says that maybe of help > > (paraphrased, not quoted verbatim): > > 1. At a time when you have an intense fever, you lose value for > the > > everyday events of the world and in fact may find it "disgusting". > > 2. A lover may find solace only in the arms of her boyfriend; she > > finds the rest of the world (for that moment) "disgusting". > > > > So, disgust here is an "intense disinterest" that needs to be > focussed > > and harnessed till we achieve the goal. > > > > Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 I fully agree, i like to add that there is a worldly joy that occurs by the impressions on the sense organs this joy will leave you if the sense impression is not there anymore and a joy that does not depend on impermament fleeting impressions but that arises inside yourself caused by the realization of the natural state of yourself being in sameness with the outside. Non attachment to desire and repulsion needs to set in before you can reach that other joy. But since this is a natural process you can not use effort to reach this "disgust" it is entirely the devi herself who moves you outward into the world and also inward back to the source. It is natural to feel disgust for the outward movement and attraction to the inward movement at some stage of your develpment. The atoms and molecules would fall apart without the law of attraction and repulsion binding them together. This a natural Law. Also a human being is by a natural impulse of devi spreading out into the creation and he will by the same Law naturally return to her. There is no ego attachment or effort involved in the process. If someone attempts to awake kundalini while still having attachment to the sense impressions and ego there can follow terrible misfortunes. , "manoj_menon" <ammasmon@s...> wrote: > > Mary Ann, > > These are two different contexts. > > Disgust (defined as "intense disinterest") is your attitude while > you do sadhana to attain elightenment. (This is akin to skipping a > party to study for a test with the intent of clearing it). > > Fun (as described by the Swami here) is your attitude AFTER > enlightenment. (Enjoy the party now!) > > Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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