Kundalini - to Mahahrada abt buddhist ideas

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93,

 

 

there is an idea of Kundalini in buddha Tantras as well as doctrine

of chakras. U will successfully find these ideas in 'em. Chandali that is

arousing from the navel and burning 5 Tathagatas etc etc .

 

btw it is not yet known where these doctrines appeared for the first

time, maybe even in buddhist texts! for they are of 6-8 centuries

while the earliest hindu Tantras we posess are of 9-11.

 

A.

 

, "mahahradanatha"

<mahahradanatha> wrote:

> There is no Kundalini in tantric Buddhism. Kundalini is a Hindu

> concept.

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"Arjuna Taradasa" wrote: "There is an idea of Kundalini in buddha Tantras as

well as doctrine of chakras."

 

Yes, but it is not coiled and not a snake. It is called heat and

originates in the Nabel Wheel.

 

The buddhist tantras (like Chakrasamwara or Hevajra Tantra) themselves declare

that the "Hindu Tantras" were earlier. The origin of the fierce deities and

tantric rite is explainend to exist because the buddha Vajradhara entered the

Form of the Lingas and other objects of worship like Matrikas etc of rudra at

the devi Pithas by subjugating the Hindu tantric deities and establishing his

own forms and yoginis there.

 

What is very interesting is that Vajradhara said he installed himself and the

Yoginis in the hindu murtis at the pithas forever (without visarjana).

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Best to give reference with opinions.

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mahahradanatha

Friday, April 29, 2005 6:47 AM

Re: Kundalini - to Mahahrada abt buddhist ideas

 

 

"Arjuna Taradasa" wrote: "There is an idea of Kundalini in buddha Tantras as

well as doctrine of chakras."

 

Yes, but it is not coiled and not a snake. It is called heat and

originates in the Nabel Wheel.

 

The buddhist tantras (like Chakrasamwara or Hevajra Tantra) themselves declare

that the "Hindu Tantras" were earlier. The origin of the fierce deities and

tantric rite is explainend to exist because the buddha Vajradhara entered the

Form of the Lingas and other objects of worship like Matrikas etc of rudra at

the devi Pithas by subjugating the Hindu tantric deities and establishing his

own forms and yoginis there.

 

What is very interesting is that Vajradhara said he installed himself and the

Yoginis in the hindu murtis at the pithas forever (without visarjana).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Let me make it very clear the reference to snake is NOT the species called

"snakes" in the world. It is an allusion to cetain aspects of the energy. Please

do not take the litteral meaning of a snake lying asleep at the mooladhara and

being roused moving up.

 

The allusory words should not be given litteral interpretations.

 

mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote:

"Arjuna Taradasa" wrote: "There is an idea of Kundalini in buddha Tantras as

well as doctrine of chakras."

 

Yes, but it is not coiled and not a snake. It is called heat and originates in

the Nabel Wheel.

 

The buddhist tantras (like Chakrasamwara or Hevajra Tantra) themselves declare

that the "Hindu Tantras" were earlier. The origin of the fierce deities and

tantric rite is explainend to exist because the buddha Vajradhara entered the

Form of the Lingas and other objects of worship like Matrikas etc of rudra at

the devi Pithas by subjugating the Hindu tantric deities and establishing his

own forms and yoginis there.

 

What is very interesting is that Vajradhara said he installed himself and the

Yoginis in the hindu murtis at the pithas forever (without visarjana).

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Well, of course it isn't like there's an actual serpent residing at

the base of our spines. But re the Gadsden flag I posted of earlier,

it is simply a creative visualization that may be helpful. If it

isn't helpful let it go. But I still like thinking that there's a

hint of kundalini in a flag from the American Revolution. Along the

same lines, there are symbols on the American dollar that have no

meaning to our general public, myself included, such as an eye over a

pyramid on the $1 bill. Such symbols have meanings with

possible "mystical" origins. I have heard that particular symbol may

be connected with the masons, or freemasons. I don't really know; I

just truly enjoy making creative connections and leaps. It's fun!

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> Let me make it very clear the reference to snake is NOT the species

called "snakes" in the world. It is an allusion to cetain aspects of

the energy. Please do not take the litteral meaning of a snake lying

asleep at the mooladhara and being roused moving up.

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> The allusory words should not be given litteral interpretations.

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> mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha> wrote:

> "Arjuna Taradasa" wrote: "There is an idea of Kundalini in buddha

Tantras as well as doctrine of chakras."

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> Yes, but it is not coiled and not a snake. It is called heat and

originates in the Nabel Wheel.

>

> The buddhist tantras (like Chakrasamwara or Hevajra Tantra)

themselves declare that the "Hindu Tantras" were earlier. The origin

of the fierce deities and tantric rite is explainend to exist because

the buddha Vajradhara entered the Form of the Lingas and other

objects of worship like Matrikas etc of rudra at the devi Pithas by

subjugating the Hindu tantric deities and establishing his own forms

and yoginis there.

>

> What is very interesting is that Vajradhara said he installed

himself and the Yoginis in the hindu murtis at the pithas forever

(without visarjana).

 

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i meant to point out the different approaches. there are similarities

but the symbolism differs nonetheless greatly.

 

To be more concrete, whereas kundalini should be moved up to sahasrara while at

first being coiled in muladhara, the candali or fierce woman of the tantric heat

yoga is a symbol of the female red drop accumulating in the lower part of the

body, in the navel wheel where she is heated up with bandhas and pranyama until

the white drop (the father drop) in the crown centre is melted while the union

of both drops happen in the indestructible drop of the heart not the crown

centre.

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> Let me make it very clear the reference to snake is NOT the species

called "snakes" in the world. It is an allusion to cetain aspects of

the energy. Please do not take the litteral meaning of a snake lying

asleep at the mooladhara and being roused moving up.

>

> The allusory words should not be given litteral interpretations.

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In several hindu texts Kundalini is placed in the navel, while elsewhere she is

placed at the feet. In the most early tantric sourses there are 2 Kundalini's

aspects, greater in sahasrara and lesser in adhara. "To be more concrete", only

at the descent of Mahakundalini the lower one arises.

 

Then, the idea of uniting two forces in anahata is also present in hindu texts -

that is uniting prana and apana.

 

Finally, the buddist tantrism is not a primitive "hatha-yoga" of modern gymnasts

.

 

Bandha-pranayama and alike stuff is not the essential sadhana to awaken

Chandali. While kula-sadhana is .

 

A.