Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 paNcapretAsanAsinA : Seated on the seat [formed] of five corpses. The five BrahmA etc, when deprived of their respective Saktis such as vAma, etc are incapable of action; hence deprived of their power, they become corpses. Seated, couch formed by these five. The JNAnArnava says, "O Great IsAna, tell me of the five corpse and their cause, how are they imperishable and eternal and yet lifeless?" Thus questioned by Devi, the Lord said, "you have fitly questioned me, O beneficent one, as to the seat formed of five corpses. BrahmA, Visnu, Rudra, Isvara and SadAsiva, these O noble one, are the five corpses, they are always motionless. The activity of BrahmA manifested as creation shoul dbe known as vAmasakti; [devoid of it] BrahmA is certainly a corpse. Siva[in himself] has no activity. Whereforth activity belongs to Sakti... Pure SadAsiva becomes a motionless corpse. O dear one, with Sakti. O Devi, he is incapable of doing anything." BhAskararAya's Commentary Translated into English by R. Ananthakrishna Sastry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 In a message dated 5/18/2005 12:50:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kalipadma108 writes: Can anyone broach the subtle differences between Rudra, Ishvara, and Sada-Shiva? Like, do they each have a different relationship with Shakti? -- Len/ Kalipadma Very interesting and confusing! Now in the Shiva Purana among other sources I have read that Shiva divdes himself into three aspects Brahma, Visnu and Shiva I have also read of Shiva divided himself into thre forms of himself which I believe are your Rudra, Iswara and Sada-Siva In the first case as in the second mentioned is made of of the purpose of the division being for the universes creation, sustenance and dissolution The confusing part for me is now how they are effectivley "doubled" in this instance Why create, presrve and transform twice?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 These five deities (Brahma, Vishnu, Rudra, Ishvara, and Sada-Shiva) form the couch on which the goddess Shodasi is seated. But Rudra, Ishvara and Sada-Shiva are all forms of the Mahadeva. I recall reading somewhere that the four "legs" of the couch are the Trimurti and Indra (king of the devas). The "plank" of the couch remains Sada-Shiva (who contains within him the other four deities). Can anyone broach the subtle differences between Rudra, Ishvara, and Sada-Shiva? Like, do they each have a different relationship with Shakti? -- Len/ Kalipadma --- NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: > > > paNcapretAsanAsinA : Seated on the seat [formed] of > five corpses. > > The five BrahmA etc, when deprived of their > respective Saktis such as > vAma, etc are incapable of action; hence deprived of > their power, > they > become corpses. Seated, couch formed by these five. > The JNAnArnava > says, "O Great IsAna, tell me of the five corpse and > their cause, how > are they imperishable and eternal and yet lifeless?" > Thus questioned > by Devi, the Lord said, "you have fitly questioned > me, O beneficent > one, as to the seat formed of five corpses. BrahmA, > Visnu, Rudra, > Isvara and SadAsiva, these O noble one, are the five > corpses, they > are > always motionless. The activity of BrahmA manifested > as creation > shoul > dbe known as vAmasakti; [devoid of it] BrahmA is > certainly a corpse. > Siva[in himself] has no activity. Whereforth > activity belongs to > Sakti... Pure SadAsiva becomes a motionless corpse. > O dear one, with > Sakti. O Devi, he is incapable of doing anything." > > > BhAskararAya's Commentary > Translated into English by R. Ananthakrishna Sastry. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 It all depends on the context-the 5 deities here can be conceived as the 5 elements and other important groups of 5 including the 5 possible states of mind wake, dream, deep dreamless sleep, the 4th state and the state beyond the 4th state. Sridevi sitting above all of them signifies that she is beyond all that can be known. > These five deities (Brahma, Vishnu, Rudra, Ishvara, > and Sada-Shiva) form the couch on which the goddess > Shodasi is seated. But Rudra, Ishvara and Sada-Shiva > are all forms of the Mahadeva. I recall reading > somewhere that the four "legs" of the couch are the > Trimurti and Indra (king of the devas). The "plank" > of the couch remains Sada-Shiva (who contains within > him the other four deities). > > Can anyone broach the subtle differences between > Rudra, Ishvara, and Sada-Shiva? Like, do they each > have a different relationship with Shakti? > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > --- NMadasamy <nmadasamy@s...> > wrote: > > > > > > paNcapretAsanAsinA : Seated on the seat [formed] of > > five corpses. > > > > The five BrahmA etc, when deprived of their > > respective Saktis such as > > vAma, etc are incapable of action; hence deprived of > > their power, > > they > > become corpses. Seated, couch formed by these five. > > The JNAnArnava > > says, "O Great IsAna, tell me of the five corpse and > > their cause, how > > are they imperishable and eternal and yet lifeless?" > > Thus questioned > > by Devi, the Lord said, "you have fitly questioned > > me, O beneficent > > one, as to the seat formed of five corpses. BrahmA, > > Visnu, Rudra, > > Isvara and SadAsiva, these O noble one, are the five > > corpses, they > > are > > always motionless. The activity of BrahmA manifested > > as creation > > shoul > > dbe known as vAmasakti; [devoid of it] BrahmA is > > certainly a corpse. > > Siva[in himself] has no activity. Whereforth > > activity belongs to > > Sakti... Pure SadAsiva becomes a motionless corpse. > > O dear one, with > > Sakti. O Devi, he is incapable of doing anything." > > > > > > BhAskararAya's Commentary > > Translated into English by R. Ananthakrishna Sastry. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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