Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Dear PKD: As a moderator here, I hope that they are "extracts from your book" as well. If they are extracts from other people's books, international copyright laws (not to mention simple good manners) would most likely not countenance your posting them here at such length. I have been away for a week or so, and thus did not have an opportunity to mention this earlier. Therefore, would you kindly clarify your sources? ANd for the sake of those who to the Daily Digest, maybe just preview long posts like these and link them to the source? If you do not have a webpage of your own, you could upload them to our files section here in the group. That is why these functions exist, after all: So that the message board doesn't get bunged up with book-length tracts. The group format in an idea exchange, and works best with briefer messages. As a general rule, if you've gotta print it out in order to comfortably read it, it probably doesn't belong on the board. Thanks luv Aim MAtangyai NamaH , Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108> wrote: > > Dear PKD -- > > I hope these are extracts from your book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Dear Devi Bhakta and Kalipadma, Thank you very much for your messages. Yes, what I have sent are extracts from my book, and my research sources are not worried about copyright. They are: - 2 Italian scholars/historians who publish their info on their own websites inviting people to spread the information, but who have to move often because the Catholic church has closed down their sites now and again; if needed I can find out their names and addresses - 1 Italian civil rights fighter (Jacopo Fo) who owns an “underground” publishing house - 1 Italian “Christian of the origins”, Franco Libero Manco, who wrote several books, has a website and sends around newsletters with this type of information in Italian language (and specifically asks recipients to circulate the information), - 1 Italian frriend (Alberto) who has no academic establishment and no permanent house (although based in Germany with his wife’s house), and conducts research without any monetary or academic interest, sharing his research freely, As I said, “resistance” against the Church has always been very strong in Italy, and there’s where most of the information lies. Some of these people have sneaked their way into archives without stating the purpose of their research, and they risk a lot. A much smaller part of the information comes from: - several other websites that invite people to share information - postings of people from other news groups I am d to, who asked to share information. THEIR sources are quoted in the text of the extracts. I have stated the historical facts (on which I don’t believe there is any copyright, otherwise all school books would have to quote them) and then elaborated on the connections myself. Whenever I quote writings from other people, I state at least their name. However, I believe that the concept of international copyright laws is contrary to the spirit of knowledge and it would do much good to the planet if we started giving out knowledge without trying to make money out of it. Anyone is welcome to utilize the information I have assembled in my book(s) and even copy whatever part they like, and publish in their name. The only condition is that THEY do not claim copyright either. The reason of my posting such lenghty material is simply that Hindus have been accused of being ignorant about Christianity. If anyone has been insulted here, I believe it is Hindus and Shakti devotees. All along Christian history, Christians have heavily persecuted the worshipers of the Mother and they still persecute women. The concept of witch killing in India never came out from Vedic knowledge: there is no concept of “witch” in Hinduism. The participants to this forum should know that worshipers of the Mother, tantrics etc, are not persecuted but rather respected in Hinduism. Regarding the mass burning of widows, we must make a very important distinction between voluntary suicide – that is not condemned or persecuted in Hinduism – and murder, which is contrary to Vedic ideals. It is true that Muslim widows may be better treated than Hindu widows, but we should not forget that Muslims never treated Hindu women in the same way they treated Muslim women, just like they never treated Hindu men in the same way they treated Muslim men. In Islam there is a law that “Muslims cannot be made slaves”. Of course all the others can. When Muslims invaded India, starting from 700 CE, they did not just “get a new home” side to side with their “nice neighbours”. They systematically proceeded to harrass Hindus so that they would convert to Islam. This does not mean of course that historically Hindus have not misused concepts or misinterpreted tradition and scripture. However, as I said already, Hinduism does not have a Church that establishes the doctrine and persecutes those who do not accept that particular view. There are no “heretics” in Hinduism, only philosophical debate to verify interpretations. Regarding synchretism in religion, I believe that it is definitely possible, but it should be based on realistic knowledge and on purification of the motivations and correction of the mistakes of people who want to “merge” religions. I have the greatest respect for Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha and the other great spiritual teachers, but this does not mean that I have to accept their “churches” as authorities. I believe that if one is not interested in reading all the material that is being posted, s/he can skip it, delete it, or put it aside to read it later at leisure (this is what I usually do with other people’s lengthy material), print it out or do with it whatever they want. My duty is to give information when needed. Regarding putting my material on a website yes, I am working at it. I have sent copy of the message expressing that suggestion to the person who has offered to help me with such a website. Thank you. I don’t know how to “preview long posts and link them to the source” or “upload them to the file section” because my internet skills are very limited. I also consider the discussion closed, and I hope that nobody will bring up again the “ignorance about how good Christianity is”. I didn’t start this type of discussion, and I will also be happy if we discuss more about Shakti Sadhana rather than the good or bad reality of Christianity or other groups that are offensive to Hinduism and Shakti Sadhana (not the group, the practice of the worship of the Mother). PKD On Tue, 31 May 2005 devi_bhakta wrote : >Dear PKD: >As a moderator here, I hope that they are "extracts from your book" as >well. If they are extracts from other people's books, international >copyright laws (not to mention simple good manners) would most likely >not countenance your posting them here at such length. >I have been away for a week or so, and thus did not have an >opportunity to mention this earlier. Therefore, would you kindly >clarify your sources? ANd for the sake of those who to the >Daily Digest, maybe just preview long posts like these and link them >to the source? If you do not have a webpage of your own, you could >upload them to our files section here in the group. >That is why these functions exist, after all: So that the message >board doesn't get bunged up with book-length tracts. The group format >in an idea exchange, and works best with briefer messages. As a >general rule, if you've gotta print it out in order to comfortably >read it, it probably doesn't belong on the board. >Thanks luv >Aim MAtangyai NamaH >, Len Rosenberg ><kalipadma108> wrote: >> >> Dear PKD -- >> >> I hope these are extracts from your book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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