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My dearest friends,

I thank the moderator for respondingly positively

to my request for permission to respond to the

accusations made against me and my niece yesterday. It

has previously been requested that the subject should

be dropped from discussion. I certainly agree, as the

conversation had degenerated beyond tolerance. I would

have made the same request if such things had been

said on one of my lists. However, the things that were

said about me have damaged my reputation, and cannot

go unanswered.

I assure you that Yvonne and I are who we say we

are. We have not lied about our identities and

personal histories. We are certainly not the same

person, as an examination of the archives of our

divinely-female list will attest. If you examine the

archives from a few years ago, when my niece was a

teenager and less inclined toward politeness than she

is today, you will find several examples of me

chastizing her openly on the list. This is certainly

not something that I would have set up intentionally.

Some of her statements made me rather angry at the

time. I respect her much for having matured since

then.

The accuser yesterday pointed out an incident in

which a posting to the shakti-sadhana list came from

Yvonne's account but bore my signature. Simple

explanation. She was visiting my home that day and

using my computer to do her email. She apparently

failed to turn off the automatic signature feature.

Simple error. Same thing happened when another DF

member, Brother Kurzon, used my computer.

The list moderator asked me to explain our defense

of Christianity. I thought that we had already done

that, but let me explain again. Someone on the list (I

forget who) started making extreme statements about

Christianity being evil and all Christians being evil.

I oppose this for two reasons. First, it it not true.

I have met many Christians during the 30 years I have

been in the United States. The vast majority are good,

honest, compassionate people. They have treated me

well. Certainly there are examples past and present of

Christians acting cruelly toward people of other

faiths, but this is only one side of the story. Some

balance, please.

Second, categorizing all the members of another

faith as evil is bad politics. It makes us look

hateful and intolerant. Gandhi advocated reaching out

the hand of love and friendship to peoples of other

faiths, trying to recognize the good in all and

encouraging everyone to act from the good side of the

human heart instead of the hateful side. This does

work if you try it. Christians do very often respond

to offers of friendship from peoples of other faiths.

I have very many close Christian friends and even

Christian in-laws who do not agree with my faith but

tolerate it and are willing to respect me anyway.

This whole incident on the list is unfortunate.

We were having a nice philosophical discussion until

someone started attacking us and challenging our

identities and our honesty. In the future, I hope that

disagreements will be judged and handled on the merits

of the arguments and facts being presented relevant to

the question rather than to wild speculation about the

identities of the participants.

Jai Ma!

 

Sister Usha

 

Sister Usha Devi

Founder, Divinely Female and worshipper of the Sacred Flame that shines inside

every woman

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

all Christians being evil.

 

> Second, categorizing all the members of another

> faith as evil is bad politics.

 

I cannot remeber that anybody here has said such a thing could you

please quote?

 

 

 

CHRISTIANITY and MISSIONARIES and COLONIALISMUS has been criticed here

and of course those who actually commited crimes in the name of

christianity not a single christian.

[Guest guest]

> could you

> please quote?

 

I apologize if I misunderstood. I wish now to drop the subject and move

on.

 

Sister Usha

[Guest guest]

mahahradanatha wrote:

 

>CHRISTIANITY and MISSIONARIES and COLONIALISMUS has been criticed here

>and of course those who actually commited crimes in the name of

>christianity not a single christian.

 

 

You never answered the fact that is the male sex who has done the killing, did

you?

 

Regards

 

Lars

 

 

[Guest guest]

This is obvious isn´t it?

Why should i anwer such a childish question?

 

, Lars Hedström <lars@2...>

wrote:

> mahahradanatha wrote:

>

>

> >CHRISTIANITY and MISSIONARIES and COLONIALISMUS has been criticed

here

> >and of course those who actually commited crimes in the name of

> >christianity not a single christian.

>

>

> You never answered the fact that is the male sex who has done the

killing, did you?

>

> Regards

>

> Lars

>

>

[Guest guest]

mahahradanatha wrote:

>This is obvious isn´t it?

>Why should i anwer such a childish question?

>

> You never answered the fact that is the male sex who has done the

killing, did you?

>

 

Because you seemed to mean that all christians are horrible people, that

christians have become bad beacuse of studying the bible etc.

 

Why then, haven't the women also got bad?

 

Lars

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sorry, Auntie, if I embarassed you years ago mouthing off the way I

used to. It was all part of the whole thing about me being angry at my

mom and taking it out on other people. So sorry. I don't do that any

more.

> CHRISTIANITY and MISSIONARIES and COLONIALISMUS has been criticed here

> and of course those who actually commited crimes in the name of

> christianity not a single christian.

 

I see. So what you are saying is that it is not individual Christians

who do bad things, just christian institutions like missionary groups.

Is that right?

Maybe things are different in the US than they are in India. Here

there are lots of charitable groups that do good things like collecting

food and clothing for the poor. They just truck it over to the poor

side of town and pass it out free, or else charge a very small fraction

of what it would cost new. I really don't see anything wrong with that.

 

Ciao! Gotta run.

 

Yvonne

[Guest guest]

> I see. So what you are saying is that it is not individual Christians

> who do bad things, just christian institutions like missionary

groups.

> Is that right?

 

Of course, every human being deserves respect, there are christian

saints like Martin Luther King or Marcus Garvey, Nelson Mandela or

Queen Nyabinghi to name a few.

[Guest guest]

> Queen Nyabinghi to name a few.

 

Queen who?

 

Yvonne

[Guest guest]

Yvonne wrote: Sorry, Auntie, if I embarrassed you years ago mouthing

Off the way I used to. It was all part of the whole thing about me

Being angry at my mom and taking it out on other people. So sorry. I

Don't do that any more.

 

Thank you Sister Usha for your effort in trying to explain to us.

You should have done it before and not wait until we ask you in

Public. You think I enjoy doing all that. NO! I don't. Ask Kochu

Yesterday of how I feel about it all. I feel Bad, but I have to do

what I have to do, and in future if there is the need I will do it

Again.

 

After that message I received several email from members supporting

my action. One responds: "Ah! Thank you for this". This all occur

because you and Yvonne create the situation yourself.

 

You come here therefore requesting the other moderator to delete

That message and feels that your reputation is being question. I

remember sometime back when you allow your group to be used as a

Platform for personal attack against me. I'm being ridicule,

defame,etc But I just stood and watch. You did nothing what so ever

to stop or prevent it. My other moderator, Devi Bhakta reacted

angrily but I Stop him. I told myself, action is greater than word.

Therefore I shall not react to such accusations but I believe over

period of time, people will get to know me personally and decided

for themselves of whom and what I am. After all the web is still

covered With illusion. People can come here and tell us everything

about Themselves, I would not believe until I have seen them in

person.

 

Is it because your group is small therefore it is okay to be used?

Look I am not angry at all. I just feel that you are being a

Hypocrite. I never imply you as fraud, I just question and I did ask

You to explain to us. What I presented is an observation, not from

Me alone but from several people.

 

 

And this is what I received from the wonderful niece : "You

Disgusting creep. First you tell how much you hate all billion

Christians in the world, people you never even met so you don't know

squat about them, then when you start losing the argument because

you don't know crap about what you're talking about, you start

Telling hateful lies about my Auntie Usha. Why are you so filled

With hate that you can't even think clearly? Stick to something more

positive, some subject you actually know something about, and stop

picking on poor people like my Auntie Usha who are just trying to

Bring peace and love into the world. Twirp. Go crawl back under your

Rock. Yvonne "

 

 

I am puzzled with this statement. If you look back at the message

Board, I never participate in the "christian" discussion at all. I

Was mining my own business, posting the LS Bhasya series. So you

care to explain to me or to the people in this list here, what this

Is all about?

 

For everybody info, I am the one who stumble Sister Usha's DF group

And thereafter introduce it to Devi Bhakta. Both of us invite her to

Join our group. There was also talk of wanting to appoint her as one

Of the moderator because we both like her writtings, but I change my

mind later on. As we expected when the Auntie comes, the niece will

follow suit. Not that I hate but I have doubts. That is all.

 

And another thing Sister Usha, I am a woman [ I thought You know

this all along ] and not a man. So your constant use of the word He

in your personal letter to the moderators seems odd to me.

[Guest guest]

I apologize for the letter that Yvonne wrote to you off-list. I am angy

at her for writing this. This is an example of the angry sort of things

that she did years ago when she was a teenager, and the reason why I

intervened to try to bring spiritual guidance.

As for my DF list being used as a platform to attack you and this

list, it was not I nor my niece who was doing this. It was a former

member of your list who joined my list later. The attacks were done in

a subtle way such that I did not realize this was what was going on

until Devi Bhakta was kind enough to point it out. I asked her to stop,

but she continued. I then put her on moderation so that I could screen

out the offending messages. So please do not accuse me of doing nothing.

Let us please abandon this hostility and be friends once again. I

respect and admire the work that you do, and I hope that you can come

to realize that my efforts are done with good intentions.

May the Great Mother bring a song to your heart and a smile to your

lips today and every day.

 

Sister Usha

[Guest guest]

So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, very sorry. I humbly apologize to

my Auntie Usha for embarrasing her again, and I also apologize to

NMadasamy (or whatever your name is) for mouthing off.

Please don't blame my Auntie Usha for what I do. You seem to

think there is something wrong with me praising her all the time. She

rescued me from the hell-hole I was in when I was a teenager, getting

angry at everybody all the time. She taught me meditation and yoga

and other things to try to help me control my temper. And it helped.

I used to get angry all the time. Now the only two things that get me

angry are somebody attacking my Aunie Usha or else somebody praising

George Bush. So I love my aunt for helping me and I'll tell that to

everybody who'll listen.

This is why she created her Divinely Female group, to help

people. She figured that if she could help me, she could help other

people too. Relax and meditate and respect other people. All other

people, even people might not be respecting you. Be nice to them

anyway and maybe they will change their minds about you. That's what

she's taught me.

She suggested I should join your list as a way of expanding my

knowledge of the theoretical side of this sort of stuff. And I did

and I'm glad. I've learned a lot from you guys. I hope to learn more.

So I figure I'm getting the best of both here, theoretical stuff from

you guys and more practical stuff from Auntie Usha.

 

Yvonne

[Guest guest]

I am not aware of the nature of the "practical stuff" your aunt

teaches you, but I would nonetheless clarify that *very* little of

Shakti Sadhana consists of "theortical stuff." Upon closer and more

serious examination, you would be hard-pressed, I think, to find a

more practical and application-oriented discipline than Shakta.

 

DB

 

, "Yvonne" <aw621@o...> wrote:

 

She suggested I should join your list as a way of expanding my

knowledge of the theoretical side of this sort of stuff. And I did and

I'm glad. I've learned a lot from you guys. I hope to learn more. So I

figure I'm getting the best of both here, theoretical stuff from you

guys and more practical stuff from Auntie Usha.