Anger and Energy

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devi bhakta wrote:

 

>We should all strive never to be angry at anyone over anything.

>That's it, really. Back when he was in Public Image Limited, the

>punk-rock vocalist Johnny Rotten/Lydon used to famously

>chant, "Anger is an energy!" But I've found that anger is an energy

>that acts a lot like refined sugar: A quick burst of inefficient,

>rapid-burning horsepower ... followed by a hard crash.

 

There is positive anger also. Jesus got mad when he saw the mongers in the

temple.

 

There is an energy in anger which can be to great help when we face injustices

and want to make a change.

 

To go around and supress anger to be fear of sin is not good that either.

 

But ofcourse anger can be very very destructive - I know it of own experience.

 

Life is our school :-(

 

Lars

 

 

 

 

 

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> We should all strive never to be angry at anyone over anything.

 

I disagree. Anger is a normal human emotion, and it is necessary

sometimes. Suppose you are a mother and sometime tries to hurt your

baby. There is something wrong with you if you don't get angry.

Question is how to channel that anger into a positive direction.

> Forgiveness is the cure. Love is the cure.

 

Sure, forgive, but only if they stop hurting you.

 

Yvonne

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Yvonne wrote:

 

*** Anger is a normal human emotion ***

 

A baser human emotion. Anyone can pull it off easily.

 

*** and it is necessary sometimes ***

 

Is it? Or it that just our programmed assumption? In the Eastern

martial arts, one technique for disarming a strong opponent is to

anger the opponent while not allowing the opponent to anger you.

Why? Because an angry person is -- common assumptions aside --

easier to defeat. Emotions are clouding the efficiency and

effectiveness of their actions.

 

*** Suppose you are a mother and sometime tries to hurt your baby.

There is something wrong with you if you don't get angry. ***

 

Same point as above. Does the mother's anger save the baby? Or her

action? And does her anger -- other than the adrenalin rush, which

does not require anger to kick in -- make her action more effective?

These are questions worth thinking about, are they not?

 

*** Question is how to channel that anger into a positive direction.

***

 

Yes indeed. Or bypass it altogether.

 

*** Sure, forgive, but only if they stop hurting you. ***

 

So the anger prevents them from hurting you and/or yours? Again, I

would argue that it could in fact make you less effective in

stopping your opponent from hurting you. Again, just a thought.

 

DB

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Hi Lars ...

 

*** There is positive anger also. Jesus got mad when he saw the

mongers in the temple. ***

 

Yeah, but that guy was a sugar freak! (Just kidding ...)

 

*** There is an energy in anger which can be to great help when we

face injustices and want to make a change. ***

 

I'd agree it's a motivator in certain circumstances. Beyond that,

see my previous post to 'yvonne'.

 

*** To go around and supress anger, to be fear of sin is not good

that either. ***

 

I agree. Suppression and fear are to be avoided.

 

*** But of course anger can be very very destructive - I know it of

own experience. Life is our school :-( ***

 

Ain't it the truth. But in the immortal words of Doris Day, "Que

sera sera, whatever will be will be ..." ;-)

 

DB

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> A baser human emotion. Anyone can pull it off easily.

 

Huh? You mean turn it off?

> So the anger prevents them from hurting you and/or yours? Again, I

> would argue that it could in fact make you less effective in

> stopping your opponent from hurting you. Again, just a thought.

 

I think we've having a problem with definitions here. You talk about

not feeling the anger at all, while I'm talking about chaneling it in

productive directions. This seems to be the same thing to me,

controling your outward reactions to how you feel.

 

Sister Yvonne

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devi_bhakta wrote:For whatever reason, this excerpt got me thinking

about anger, and I thought I would share a quick thought, for

whatever it's worth. We should all strive never to be angry at

anyone over anything. That's it, really. Back when he was in Public

Image Limited, the punk-rock vocalist Johnny Rotten/Lydon used to

famously chant, "Anger is an energy!" But I've found that anger is

an energy that acts a lot like refined sugar: A quick burst of

inefficient, rapid-burning horsepower ... followed by a hard crash.

 

More to the point: ANGER is the enemy of sadhana. It will stop you

cold or send you off along unfruitful tangents. This I promise you.

Forgiveness is the cure. Love is the cure. That doesn't mean

inviting ill-wishers to stomp all over you; to harm you and yours.

It does mean trying to respect and understand and love them in your

heart, sending them prayers and energy and goodwill.

 

 

 

 

How appropriate. Last few days, my emotions have been fluctuating

like the stock market. At one instance I am like a mad woman and I

feel like wanting to scream at the Administrator of the Children

home : How dare you do such a thing to that poor vulnerable girl. I

will make you pay for every tear she shed and every pain [emotional

or physical] you inflicted on her, will be your pain.

 

And then suddenly a faint voice from within reminds of a scene..

 

......a scene of the same young girl coming to me with tears in her

eyes and said " they told me I am an unwanted. Nobody wants me. I

will stay her forever"... and of how I have embraced this poor

vulnerable soul and said : forgive them, for they know not. Forgive

them for their ignorance. We shall leave this place together and

prove to them of how wrong they are about you. This is my promise.

We show them!

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I saw some apt Tirukurals this afternoon in _Hinduism Today_:

 

Tirukural 303: Forget anger toward all who have offended you, for it

gives rise to teeming troubles.

 

Tirukural 305: If a man be his own guard, let him guard himself

against rage. Left unguarded, his own wrath will annihilate him.

 

Tirukural 308: Though others inflict wrongs as painful as flaming

torches, it is good if a man can refrain from inflammatory tantrums.

> devi_bhakta wrote:[...] this excerpt got me thinking

> about anger, and I thought I would share a quick thought, for

> whatever it's worth. We should all strive never to be angry at

> anyone over anything. [....]

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In a book called Waking the Tiger by Peter Levine, Ph.D., a therapist

and bodyworker, the author proposes that our individual and cultural

patterns of aggression are a result of unresolved childhood traumas.

Not a new theory in itself, but for the way he applies it to the body:

 

These unresolved traumas, he says, are energy trapped in our bodies

(our tension patterns). The energy comes from our natural physiological

self-protective responses that the human animal/organism requires in

order to function in its environment(s). But we grow up with so many

taboos against the human/animal nature, so much misunderstanding and

fear of its true power and place (that is, what is so for Divine

Consciousness embodied in human form - I'm not placing us in a

hierarchy, just talking about who/what we are), that we do not learn

healthy follow-through on these self-protective responses. We get

stuck. Our stuck places can be recognized in our repeating patterns.

And this has, of course, been going on for eons, these natural

responses being thwarted, leading to more violence as people attempt to

resolve these traumas by discharging the energy externally - only to

recreate trauma rather than renegotiate within ourselves.

 

I think these Tirukurals, and Devi Bhakta's comments, are about

learning to renegotiate painful or upsetting experiences within. It

really is true: those who go around causing others pain do know not

what they do. Because if they truly knew what they were doing (in

harmony with Divine Consciousness), they would not do it, they would

not create more pain, repeat the trauma all over again.

 

 

 

, "msbauju" <msbauju> wrote:

> I saw some apt Tirukurals this afternoon in _Hinduism Today_:

>

> Tirukural 303: Forget anger toward all who have offended you, for it

> gives rise to teeming troubles.

>

> Tirukural 305: If a man be his own guard, let him guard himself

> against rage. Left unguarded, his own wrath will annihilate him.

>

> Tirukural 308: Though others inflict wrongs as painful as flaming

> torches, it is good if a man can refrain from inflammatory tantrums.

>

> > devi_bhakta wrote:[...] this excerpt got me thinking

> > about anger, and I thought I would share a quick thought, for

> > whatever it's worth. We should all strive never to be angry at

> > anyone over anything. [....]

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>These unresolved traumas, he says, are energy trapped in our bodies

>(our tension patterns).

 

Very true, and how synchronicitrous (OK, i know that's not a word)

because I have been meditating a lot lately about trapped energy

along the lines of Open, Release, Empty and Clear. Make room for Ma's

grace.

 

This sounds like a good book, reminds me of another I got a lot out

of, about Chi Nei Tsang, a Taoist healing practice taught by qigong

master Mantak Chia. The book itself was written by his disciple

Gilles Marin. Chi Nei Tsang means Prana of the Inner Organs.

 

Marin talks about how emotional pain becomes trapped in the body,

especially in the belly and organs, and describes a variety of

massage, point release, meditations, and healing sounds to help

people become conscious of and release these toxic energies from

their bodies and emotional bodies. Including releasing through

crying, tears, laughing or other kriyas.

 

Ultimately, to awaken to the authentic self: perfect for sadhvis and

sadhaks. Liberation from deeply embedded emotional impressions and

vows taken by the lesser self in earlier life/lives.

 

Max

 

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