Transformation

[Guest guest]

Mary Ann wrote: "Through transformation, the nervous system regains

its capacity for self-regulation. Our emotions begin to lift us up

rather than bring us down. They propel us into the exhilarating

ability to soar and fly, giving us a more complete view of our place

in nature. Our perceptions broaden to encompass a receptivity and

acceptance of what is, without judgment. We are able to learn from

our

life experiences. Without trying to forgive, we understand that there

is no one to blame. ..."

 

"Every trauma provides an opportunity for authentic transformation.

Trauma amplifies and evokes the expansion and contraction of psyche,

body, and soul. It is how we respond to a traumatic event that

determines whether trauma will be a cruel and punishing Medusa

turning

us to stone, or whetehr it will be a spiritual teacher taking us

along

vast and uncharted pathways."

 

 

Just some personal thoughts. .. But for transformation to happen, the

energy needed to power it. To Push it through to a new place, must be

accessible. In my opinion Anger are one of those powerful energy that

we can harness to bring forth this transformation. Anger is like the

fuel that gives you heat or its like the booster to allow you to take

first action. The computer, it will not just swtich on by itself and

automatically get connected. It needs the booster program. The same

for us human. The only exception I think is that when we react to

this

Anger and therefore cloud our mind to think rationally. Instead of

reacting, we choose not to do anything about it. Just like any other

energy, contained it in, consciously and deliberately choosing not to

express it in a customary way. This energy will rattles, boils and it

get furious. Eventually this energy will explodes upward to find

another outlet. If you know how to redirect this energy, it leads to

transformation and eventually healing.

[Guest guest]

> The only exception I think is that when we react to

> this

> Anger and therefore cloud our mind to think rationally. Instead of

> reacting, we choose not to do anything about it. Just like any other

> energy, contained it in, consciously and deliberately choosing not to

> express it in a customary way. This energy will rattles, boils and it

> get furious. Eventually this energy will explodes upward to find

> another outlet. If you know how to redirect this energy, it leads to

> transformation and eventually healing.

 

Yup. Years ago I used to get angry, let the anger take over me, getting

steameder and steameder, and finaly burst out at somebody. Very destructive,

making things worse both in terms of the situation and in terms of your own

spiritual being. Now I use meditation to calm down, then assess the situation

and decide what to do. Decision has to be based on what will improve the

situation, not to take revenge. If you're still thinking in terms of revenge,

you're not calmed down enough yet to make the decision. But this does start with

the initial anger. You can learn to stifle it and not let it take you over, but

I don't think you can ever stop feeling it in the first place, not if somebody

does something seriously wrong to you.

 

Yvonne

[Guest guest]

Yvonne wrote: Yup. Years ago I used to get angry, let the anger

take over me, getting steameder and steameder, and finaly burst out

at somebody. Very destructive, making things worse both in terms of

the situation and in terms of your own spiritual being. Now I use

meditation to calm down, then assess the situation and decide what

to do. Decision has to be based on what will improve the situation,

not to take revenge. If you're still thinking in terms of revenge,

you're not calmed down enough yet to make the decision. But this

does start with the initial anger. You can learn to stifle it and

not let it take you over, but I don't think you can ever stop

feeling it in the first place, not if somebody does something

seriously wrong to you.

 

 

Thank you Yvonne. I always believe anger just like love, jealousy

etc are part of our natural human emotions. Its our survival

instinct. To say that I will not get angry upon seeing another

person being ill treated to me its not practical. I know of a young

girl. She have this anger buried inside her that it is very

difficult for her to express it out. She look pleasant and cheerful,

but beneath all that is this pain and anger. To make it short, she

decided to go into nursing. A year later she came back to me and

when I asked her : how are you? Compare yourself a year ago and now.

She replied : Before I used to think that I am the only one who have

this huge problem. But my experience in the hospital open my eyes.

It makes me realise that mine is minute as compared to others. I am

not angry with myself and with my parents anymore.

[Guest guest]

This is true, Nora and Yvonne, when someone harms you or

someone you love, anger arises, and it is important to feel it,

allow it to motivate creativity if it can, allow it to pass as needed. I

have posted a lot from a book called Creative Emotion on this

list, but one shortcoming that book has is that it states that

so-called "negative" emotions have no value. That is a direct

contradiction to the theme of the book!

 

Freedom from being controlled by any strong emotion is

essential in order to act without attachment, and we'll never get

there if we don't allow ourselves to acknowledge the anger and

fully accept its impact on our being. Once we recognize that, we

can learn to release the holding pattern it can have over us, so

that, as Peter Levine says, the emotions lifts us up rather than

brings us down.

 

It doesn't mean not doing something when situations demand

that we take action -- it means getting to the place where our

action is coming from "a more complete view" so that our

"perceptions broaden to encompass a receptivity and

acceptance of what is, without judgment." In Peter Levine's book

he acknowledges that both sides co-exist -- the anger/trauma,

and re-experiencing that and getting all riled up again by it -- and

the healing, developing the internal and external resources to

move out of range of being taken over by the anger, and into new

directions where new possibilities and realities can occur. He

talks about swinging back and forth between these poles,

ultimately bringing oneself together in the middle. To me, this is

yoga.

 

And speaking of yoga, lately, I have been strongly experiencing

the putting together of my hands in front of myself at the heart

level as a symbol of bringing any two poles within me to meet at

the middle, that is, sun/moon (as in hathayoga), fe/male, right/left

brain hemispheres, etc. And this during Pilates, which I have had

to incorporate into my physical practice due to needing

specialized back and abdominal strengthening.

 

Mary Ann

 

 

 

, "NMadasamy"

<nmadasamy@s...> wrote:

> Yvonne wrote: Yup. Years ago I used to get angry, let the anger

> take over me, getting steameder and steameder, and finaly

burst out

> at somebody. Very destructive, making things worse both in

terms of

> the situation and in terms of your own spiritual being. Now I

use

> meditation to calm down, then assess the situation and decide

what

> to do. Decision has to be based on what will improve the

situation,

> not to take revenge. If you're still thinking in terms of revenge,

> you're not calmed down enough yet to make the decision. But

this

> does start with the initial anger. You can learn to stifle it and

> not let it take you over, but I don't think you can ever stop

> feeling it in the first place, not if somebody does something

> seriously wrong to you.

>

>

> Thank you Yvonne. I always believe anger just like love,

jealousy

> etc are part of our natural human emotions. Its our survival

> instinct. To say that I will not get angry upon seeing another

> person being ill treated to me its not practical. I know of a

young

> girl. She have this anger buried inside her that it is very

> difficult for her to express it out. She look pleasant and

cheerful,

> but beneath all that is this pain and anger. To make it short,

she

> decided to go into nursing. A year later she came back to me

and

> when I asked her : how are you? Compare yourself a year ago

and now.

> She replied : Before I used to think that I am the only one who

have

> this huge problem. But my experience in the hospital open my

eyes.

> It makes me realise that mine is minute as compared to

others. I am

> not angry with myself and with my parents anymore.

[Guest guest]

Mary Ann -

 

You are very wise because if you cover up an emotion or hurt it is

like a festering splinter. You can clean up the wound and take

antibiotics, however, until the splinter is removed the infection will

return.

 

Many years ago I was hurt by a woman who I loved very deeply. I had

been through breakups before like we all do but the hurt lay in my not

understanding her intentions. It took about a decade to get over it.

But the thing that I noticed was that if I tried to ignor, pretend,

try to be more positive, place it into the light, give to god, it had

a way of coming back to me or showing up in the worse places. Not

knowing what to do about it, I did learn that just acknowledging the

hurt without judgement about the hurt itself was the best way to

handle it. It is like people who have say diabetes, they acknowledge

it and then handle it.

 

One finger at a time, I was able to release my grip or "holding

patterns" about it. I'm very slow to let go sometimes! Sigh!

 

I like the idea that we go back and forth over the issue like a yoga.

There are moments when you feel that you have it solved and then a

few weeks later or a year, you feel you are back to square one. My

sister told me over again that even so, with each passing day it

wouldn't be as bad as the first. She was right.

 

There is another writer who thinks that why we go over things like

this with such detail time and time again is that we need to get some

kind of reality to and somekind of order to. The physical would

maybe largely chaotic, but there is a part of us who wants to see some

kind of order or aethetic unity to it. When that is satisfied, we

move on or let go.

 

I'm not advocating that one should disrespect others with negative

emotions, however, it seems to help if you are authentic to them.

There will be thorns in our sides and we just have to live through

them at times.

 

Eventually, I did "get-it" and let go of the splinter. Once that was

done, the wound largely went away though I'm a little worse for wear.

 

Sincerely.

 

Eric

 

PS Aren't Pilates great!!!? A little expensive for me but worth it

because I am now pain free in my knees and hips. I rode 14 miles on

my bike today which is a little ride for me but the bod feels fit and

ready for more.

 

 

 

, "Mary Ann"

<buttercookie61> wrote:

> This is true, Nora and Yvonne, when someone harms you or

> someone you love, anger arises, and it is important to feel it,

> allow it to motivate creativity if it can, allow it to pass as

needed. I

> have posted a lot from a book called Creative Emotion on this

> list, but one shortcoming that book has is that it states that

> so-called "negative" emotions have no value. That is a direct

> contradiction to the theme of the book!

>

> Freedom from being controlled by any strong emotion is

> essential in order to act without attachment, and we'll never get

> there if we don't allow ourselves to acknowledge the anger and

> fully accept its impact on our being. Once we recognize that, we

> can learn to release the holding pattern it can have over us, so

> that, as Peter Levine says, the emotions lifts us up rather than

> brings us down.

>

> It doesn't mean not doing something when situations demand

> that we take action -- it means getting to the place where our

> action is coming from "a more complete view" so that our

> "perceptions broaden to encompass a receptivity and

> acceptance of what is, without judgment." In Peter Levine's book

> he acknowledges that both sides co-exist -- the anger/trauma,

> and re-experiencing that and getting all riled up again by it -- and

> the healing, developing the internal and external resources to

> move out of range of being taken over by the anger, and into new

> directions where new possibilities and realities can occur. He

> talks about swinging back and forth between these poles,

> ultimately bringing oneself together in the middle. To me, this is

> yoga.

>

> And speaking of yoga, lately, I have been strongly experiencing

> the putting together of my hands in front of myself at the heart

> level as a symbol of bringing any two poles within me to meet at

> the middle, that is, sun/moon (as in hathayoga), fe/male, right/left

> brain hemispheres, etc. And this during Pilates, which I have had

> to incorporate into my physical practice due to needing

> specialized back and abdominal strengthening.

>

> Mary Ann

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Eric:

 

Thanks for sharing your personal story. Much appreciated. I had

a bad electrical shock many years ago that caused some major

internal breaks, compensations, etc. that yoga and now Pilates

are helping to heal. That internal "burn" and the circumstances

surrounding receiving it blew out the "circuitry" in certain areas,

making other areas do work they are not designed for, and

making me subject to easy emotional overload for lack of proper

routing of the energy. I reminded myself of Will in "Good Will

Hunting" -- hiding, not functioning at optimum in the world. I love

that movie!

 

I thought of you when I started the Pilates classes because of

your post about having been doing it. I think it's great that you

have a strong Pilates foundation before beginning hathayoga.

Let me know how your hathayoga practice is working out. I am

going to try working with an Iyengar teacher who has Pilates

certification so I can begin to integrate the Pilates information

into my hathayoga practice. When I tried to do hathayoga last, it

did not feel good - I was not ready to incorporate the new

information.

 

Luckily here in the LA area, Pilates is not prohibitively expensive

(I have found class packages for $10/class. That's about the

same, even less, than yoga studios here charge for yoga class

passes. I mean, it's more expensive than taking walks! But it's

worth it, ultimately.

 

Namaste,

Mary Ann

 

 

, "Eric Otto"

<eottoe2001> wrote:

> Mary Ann -

>

> You are very wise because if you cover up an emotion or hurt it

is

> like a festering splinter. You can clean up the wound and take

> antibiotics, however, until the splinter is removed the infection

will

> return.

>

> Many years ago I was hurt by a woman who I loved very deeply.

I had

> been through breakups before like we all do but the hurt lay in

my not

> understanding her intentions. It took about a decade to get

over it.

> But the thing that I noticed was that if I tried to ignor, pretend,

> try to be more positive, place it into the light, give to god, it had

> a way of coming back to me or showing up in the worse

places. Not

> knowing what to do about it, I did learn that just acknowledging

the

> hurt without judgement about the hurt itself was the best way to

> handle it. It is like people who have say diabetes, they

acknowledge

> it and then handle it.

>

> One finger at a time, I was able to release my grip or "holding

> patterns" about it. I'm very slow to let go sometimes! Sigh!

>

> I like the idea that we go back and forth over the issue like a

yoga.

> There are moments when you feel that you have it solved and

then a

> few weeks later or a year, you feel you are back to square one.

My

> sister told me over again that even so, with each passing day it

> wouldn't be as bad as the first. She was right.

>

> There is another writer who thinks that why we go over things

like

> this with such detail time and time again is that we need to get

some

> kind of reality to and somekind of order to. The physical would

> maybe largely chaotic, but there is a part of us who wants to

see some

> kind of order or aethetic unity to it. When that is satisfied, we

> move on or let go.

>

> I'm not advocating that one should disrespect others with

negative

> emotions, however, it seems to help if you are authentic to

them.

> There will be thorns in our sides and we just have to live

through

> them at times.

>

> Eventually, I did "get-it" and let go of the splinter. Once that

was

> done, the wound largely went away though I'm a little worse for

wear.

>

> Sincerely.

>

> Eric

>

> PS Aren't Pilates great!!!? A little expensive for me but worth it

> because I am now pain free in my knees and hips. I rode 14

miles on

> my bike today which is a little ride for me but the bod feels fit

and

> ready for more.

>

>

>

> , "Mary Ann"

> <buttercookie61> wrote:

> > This is true, Nora and Yvonne, when someone harms you or

> > someone you love, anger arises, and it is important to feel it,

> > allow it to motivate creativity if it can, allow it to pass as

> needed. I

> > have posted a lot from a book called Creative Emotion on

this

> > list, but one shortcoming that book has is that it states that

> > so-called "negative" emotions have no value. That is a direct

> > contradiction to the theme of the book!

> >

> > Freedom from being controlled by any strong emotion is

> > essential in order to act without attachment, and we'll never

get

> > there if we don't allow ourselves to acknowledge the anger

and

> > fully accept its impact on our being. Once we recognize that,

we

> > can learn to release the holding pattern it can have over us,

so

> > that, as Peter Levine says, the emotions lifts us up rather

than

> > brings us down.

> >

> > It doesn't mean not doing something when situations

demand

> > that we take action -- it means getting to the place where our

> > action is coming from "a more complete view" so that our

> > "perceptions broaden to encompass a receptivity and

> > acceptance of what is, without judgment." In Peter Levine's

book

> > he acknowledges that both sides co-exist -- the

anger/trauma,

> > and re-experiencing that and getting all riled up again by it --

and

> > the healing, developing the internal and external resources to

> > move out of range of being taken over by the anger, and into

new

> > directions where new possibilities and realities can occur.

He

> > talks about swinging back and forth between these poles,

> > ultimately bringing oneself together in the middle. To me, this

is

> > yoga.

> >

> > And speaking of yoga, lately, I have been strongly

experiencing

> > the putting together of my hands in front of myself at the heart

> > level as a symbol of bringing any two poles within me to

meet at

> > the middle, that is, sun/moon (as in hathayoga), fe/male,

right/left

> > brain hemispheres, etc. And this during Pilates, which I have

had

> > to incorporate into my physical practice due to needing

> > specialized back and abdominal strengthening.

> >

> > Mary Ann

> >

[Guest guest]

I will not comment on paths; a path is right if it gives results. But that does

not mean every path leads to liberation.

In Indian traditions - especially tantra - a lot of unnecessary information is

given - at least in the west - making sex the central theme that it is not!!

 

I think DB referred to it.

 

Using Yvonne's stock theme - whatever your name is - I think if she is

interested in, she should try to understand that tantra is not just having esx

it is something far deeper and different.

 

Yvonne <aw621 wrote:

> The only exception I think is that when we react to

> this

> Anger and therefore cloud our mind to think rationally. Instead of

> reacting, we choose not to do anything about it. Just like any other

> energy, contained it in, consciously and deliberately choosing not to

> express it in a customary way. This energy will rattles, boils and it

> get furious. Eventually this energy will explodes upward to find

> another outlet. If you know how to redirect this energy, it leads to

> transformation and eventually healing.

 

Yup. Years ago I used to get angry, let the anger take over me, getting

steameder and steameder, and finaly burst out at somebody. Very destructive,

making things worse both in terms of the situation and in terms of your own

spiritual being. Now I use meditation to calm down, then assess the situation

and decide what to do. Decision has to be based on what will improve the

situation, not to take revenge. If you're still thinking in terms of revenge,

you're not calmed down enough yet to make the decision. But this does start with

the initial anger. You can learn to stifle it and not let it take you over, but

I don't think you can ever stop feeling it in the first place, not if somebody

does something seriously wrong to you.

 

Yvonne

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote:

> Thank you Yvonne.

 

My pleasure, and thanx for not putting my name in quotes. You can call

me Vonnie if you like. That's what my friends call me at school. I

still don't know what your name is.

> I know of a young

> girl.

 

Thanx for sharing that story. I can relate. Anger can rip you to shreds

if you let it, destroying your whole spirit. Been there. Done that.

Waste of perfectly good energy.

 

Yvonne

[Guest guest]

Len's post was an ecellent reply to a soul in pain. It was also a reminder to

why I gave up the Wiccan ways more than 20 years ago (after 25 years dancing the

circle). Being a Wiccan was, more often than not, an embarrasment. All the hocus

pocus entrapments, ego trips and power involved when all I really cared about

was loving the Mother. Even the term "pagan" rubs me the wrong way. I prefer

"Child of the Mother" or "Children of the Mother" if a name must be used.

 

Len: Please understand that what I am saying is not a put down to you or anyone

else but more of an honest and gut reaction to what the priestess said. Your

reply was heartfelt.

 

Helena: I'm not sure about "mistakes of Nature." To my ears the priestess's

words sounded like a scam at worst or simply misguided at best. Your answers lie

within yourself. Prayers to the Mother and quiet meditation will help you find

those answers. Be those answers self-acceptance, self-love or physically

transformational, you can own your wisdom with the Mother's help and love. If

you look, you will find the face of the Mother (diety) that is perfect for your

being.

 

Tom

 

 

Do you feel you are a woman in a man's body? And what

does this Priestess's treatment entail? Is she

charging you money for this treatment? (Most Wiccans

will NOT charge money for magical work.)

 

Why are you addressing this problem to the Kali Ma

list? Aren't most of the members of this list Hindus?

(I happen to be both Hindu and Wiccan, but I don't

assume everyone else is!) Are you familiar with the

Hindu traditions of the Hejiras, often translated in

English as "Eunuchs"? The Hejiras worship a goddess

who is patroness of trans-gender people; her name is

Bahuchara Mata, and she rides on a rooster.

 

Have you looked into traditional Western methods of

dealing with trans-gender problems? Gender

reassignment surgery, etc.?

 

Good luck to you, whatever you choose.

 

-- Len/ Black Lotus

 

 

--- Martin <derriereupgrade wrote:

 

 

>> Dear Friends,

>>

>> Some months ago a wiccan priestess gave me a reading

>> such that my birth

>> was a mistake of nature and should have incarnated

>> in a female body.

>> She claims to be able to heal my damaged male body

>> by becoming the

>> woman i was meant to be by undergoing her special

>> treatment with help

>> from the various Roman Goddesses.

>> Any guidance on this matter would be most gratefully

>> received.

>>

>>

>> love

>>

>>

>> Helena

>