I have nothing against anyone

[Guest guest]

Well, I think you are defining Shakti Sadhana in very narrow terms,

but whatever suits you. Don't let the door hit your butt on the way

out ;-)

 

, "Parama Karuna Devi"

<paramakaruna@r...> wrote:

> Dear all,

>

> I agree with Shankarji's points.

> I am also deeply convinced that there is no dualism in true Dharma.

> I have nothing against REAL Kulacharis or any other genuine group.

> I am personally in contact with REAL tantrics here in Puri, and I

know very well they are not sending curses, insulting Vedic

knowledge, or even insulting people. They are actually very happy

with the work I am doing.

>

> However, I have the right not to give value to bogus

practictioners who can only insult and use cheap bad language, and

are unable to bring any philosophical point.

> And from bogus practitioners, I can expect anything. I had this

experience before. Bogus people are everywhere.

> There is particularly one here, who got envious about my good

relationship with one of his family members, who has literally tried

everything against both me and his own family, including ghosts,

curses, and anonimous letters to the police.

> Fortunately, the Mother is directly and powerfully protecting me

and all his efforts have turned against him.

> Without my doing ANYTHING (and I have asked my good relationship

not to do anything either), this guy has been transferred to a far

away place (he works with the Govt), he got an accident, and he had

a bad fight with other people where he was severely beaten. Now

everybody is starting to avoid him because he has made a nuisance of

himself with his stubborness and bothering everyone.

> On the other side, the Mother sent me a very good lawyer (without

my searching for one) and other very good people who spontaneously

settled everything with the police.

> And several times already the Mother channeled through local

people to give me direct messages, with several people witnessing

(therefore I feel authorized to mention this openly).

> Of all this, I do not claim any personal merit, but only the

kindness of the Mother.

>

> What I cannot understand is the silence of the members of this

group about the malicious attacks of Mahahradanath.

> Do you think he is behaving properly, and conducting a proper

discussion?

> Does anyone in this forum (including the moderator/s) think he is

behaving properly?

>

> I have never insulted anyone on this forum (that I know of), but I

feel I HAVE been insulted, and Vedic knowledge has been insulted.

Starting from Bhagavad gita soon after I joined the group.

> I thought it was an occasional manifestation of ignorance and

intolerance from the part of a marginal member, but I can see that

this is not the case.

> And nobody is saying anything against this abuse of Vedic

scriptures – but me.

> I am not saying that I consider Mahahradanath's position as the

official position of the group.

> But I am asking, why isn't someone objecting? Why are the

moderators not objecting?

>

> If someone does not accept Vedic scriptures, I do not object to

that.

> However, since I accept them, whenever they are attacked and

insulted, I feel my duty is to defend them.

> If anyone in the forum wants to express their philosophical

opinions and positions in a civilized way, and explain their sadhana

and realizations in a positive way, I will be happy to learn more.

> In my first posting, I was expressing this intention.

> I also believe that Truth is one, and includes everything.

Everything and anything can be reconciled by someone who has a

broader vision.

>

> However, I am sorry to say that, compared to the beautiful website

and the orientation that it seemed to imply, the level of the

postings has been largely disappointing.

> Except for the Lalita sahasra nama and the Tirumurai series

extracts (and a few others), I have hadly seen anything about Shakti

Sadhana here.

>

> To respond to Mary Ann, yes, I have said already when someone is

not respectful, and I am saying it again (I believe clearly

enough!).

> I pray God(dess) that THIS may dawn on YOU when you sit with it

for a while. Or again, maybe not. Probably you will not even bother

to read it.

>

> Let people think that I am a timid dog running off with my tail

between my legs if their limited intelligence tells them so and if

that pleases them. I don't have sufficient ahankara to let this kind

of things keep me tied to a negative situation, as I have much

better things to do.

> If someone wants to "illuminate me" with the "hidden meaning"

of "deeper levels" of their replies, please do so directly, and

let's not waste time playing around in the mist. I have seen too

many mistifiers playing mystics already.

>

> And yes, I believe I got sufficient feedback from this group.

There are thousands of other , and I am already participating

to several others than this (even if they accept me as a member!! ha

ha funny girl).

> I can get Lalita sahasra nama and other bona fide texts elsewhere,

without people insulting me "to lighten the mood" for the benefit of

a silent or hostile audience.

> If I want to lighten my mood, I will watch the real Woody Allen

movies, and not get myself called a scared dog (with full respect to

the dog's symbolism in tantra – I don't think Mary Ann implied

anything like that, it was not done with a positive implication

anyway).

>

> However, I have nothing against anyone and I wish everybody well.

May God(dess) bless you all.

>

> PKD

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I never attacked or insulted you. I never criticed the Vedas.

Please give quotes and do not accuse without any reason.

Please be so kind to refrain from accusing practicioners of Kaulachara

to practice black magic or sent email virus. They do not do such things.

 

If I did attack you or use what you term "cheap language" please give

quotes where i did this and what i wrote that insulted you.

 

My impression is that your mind "snapped" and you attack me without a

cause only because i am having a different opinion about the practice

of sati and about the situation of some widows nowadays.

 

Like i wrote before there is no perfect heaven on earth every human

society has its problems and to solve them one must first face them.

 

Same is true for a spiritual way.

 

Meditate and still your mind. The essence of the Vedas is peace and

prosperity not hate and poverty.

 

 

 

 

> What I cannot understand is the silence of the members of this group

about the malicious attacks of Mahahradanath.

> Do you think he is behaving properly, and conducting a proper

discussion?

> Does anyone in this forum (including the moderator/s) think he is

behaving properly?

[Guest guest]

Parama:

 

"What I cannot understand is the silence of the members of this group about the

malicious attacks of Mahahradanath.

Do you think he is behaving properly, and conducting a proper discussion?

Does anyone in this forum (including the moderator/s) think he is behaving

properly?"

 

Groups like this must be moderated somewhat dictatorial. I moderate a group

myself and a while ago I had to suspend a person who couldn't behave politely.

 

Please stay Parama, and together we instead can urge the moderator to not

tolerate disrespectful behavior.

 

Regards

 

Lars

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear PKD:

 

I am not sure who you are referring to when you talk about "REAL"

Kulacharis, or any other "genuine group," and "bogus practitioners"

and "bogus people." But to me, that's broad, all-encompassing, and

actually, I did take it as insulting to anyone who doesn't do exactly

as you think the scriptures say they should. So, when I have read

maha...'s comments, I have thought that others (him in particular)

were responding to what seemed a broad judgmental streak that you

seem to have (he called you "fascist" and I interpreted that

as "broadly judgmental, must do things one way only - the fascist

way).

 

That, and your defensiveness and closed way of replying to me when

I've tried to lighten things up and communicate on a feeling level

(which you disparaged by calling "deep" in a put-down way, and as

well, you put down my suggestion that you sit with something until a

new experience or feeling or thought dawns on you). And of course,

you'd rather watch a Woody Allen movie than understand that I was

actually attemtping to reach out to you on a personal level and get

it off the judgment streak.

 

So, yes, you HAVE insulted a group member - you have insulted me. My

response to your insults was to send the replies I did, and you

pushed each one away, not being willing to "sit with" anything, and

then saying you were just going to leave the group. To me, that's

just a big baby's response to not being received exactly as you had

hoped by every single person who reads or posts on this list.

 

It's very sweet of Lars to try to help you support yourself and take

your rightful place in the group. Whatever you decide,

 

Namaste.

 

Mary Ann

 

, "Mary Ann"

<buttercookie61> wrote:

> Well, I think you are defining Shakti Sadhana in very narrow terms,

> but whatever suits you. Don't let the door hit your butt on the way

> out ;-)

>

> , "Parama Karuna Devi"

> <paramakaruna@r...> wrote:

> > I have nothing against REAL Kulacharis or any other genuine group.

> > I am personally in contact with REAL tantrics here in Puri, and I

> know very well they are not sending curses, insulting Vedic

> knowledge, or even insulting people. They are actually very happy

> with the work I am doing.

> >

> > However, I have the right not to give value to bogus

> practictioners who can only insult and use cheap bad language, and

> are unable to bring any philosophical point.

> > And from bogus practitioners, I can expect anything. I had this

> experience before. Bogus people are everywhere.

> > There is particularly one here, who got envious about my good

> relationship with one of his family members, who has literally

tried

> everything against both me and his own family, including ghosts,

> curses, and anonimous letters to the police.

> > Fortunately, the Mother is directly and powerfully protecting me

> and all his efforts have turned against him.

> > Without my doing ANYTHING (and I have asked my good relationship

> not to do anything either), this guy has been transferred to a far

> away place (he works with the Govt), he got an accident, and he had

> a bad fight with other people where he was severely beaten. Now

> everybody is starting to avoid him because he has made a nuisance

of

> himself with his stubborness and bothering everyone.

> > On the other side, the Mother sent me a very good lawyer (without

> my searching for one) and other very good people who spontaneously

> settled everything with the police.

> > And several times already the Mother channeled through local

> people to give me direct messages, with several people witnessing

> (therefore I feel authorized to mention this openly).

> > Of all this, I do not claim any personal merit, but only the

> kindness of the Mother.

> >

> > What I cannot understand is the silence of the members of this

> group about the malicious attacks of Mahahradanath.

> > Do you think he is behaving properly, and conducting a proper

> discussion?

> > Does anyone in this forum (including the moderator/s) think he is

> behaving properly?

> >

> > I have never insulted anyone on this forum (that I know of), but

I

> feel I HAVE been insulted, and Vedic knowledge has been insulted.

> Starting from Bhagavad gita soon after I joined the group.

> > I thought it was an occasional manifestation of ignorance and

> intolerance from the part of a marginal member, but I can see that

> this is not the case.

> > And nobody is saying anything against this abuse of Vedic

> scriptures – but me.

> > I am not saying that I consider Mahahradanath's position as the

> official position of the group.

> > But I am asking, why isn't someone objecting? Why are the

> moderators not objecting?

> >

> > If someone does not accept Vedic scriptures, I do not object to

> that.

> > However, since I accept them, whenever they are attacked and

> insulted, I feel my duty is to defend them.

> > If anyone in the forum wants to express their philosophical

> opinions and positions in a civilized way, and explain their

sadhana

> and realizations in a positive way, I will be happy to learn more.

> > In my first posting, I was expressing this intention.

> > I also believe that Truth is one, and includes everything.

> Everything and anything can be reconciled by someone who has a

> broader vision.

> >

> > However, I am sorry to say that, compared to the beautiful

website

> and the orientation that it seemed to imply, the level of the

> postings has been largely disappointing.

> > Except for the Lalita sahasra nama and the Tirumurai series

> extracts (and a few others), I have hadly seen anything about

Shakti

> Sadhana here.

> >

> > To respond to Mary Ann, yes, I have said already when someone is

> not respectful, and I am saying it again (I believe clearly

> enough!).

> > I pray God(dess) that THIS may dawn on YOU when you sit with it

> for a while. Or again, maybe not. Probably you will not even bother

> to read it.

> >

> > Let people think that I am a timid dog running off with my tail

> between my legs if their limited intelligence tells them so and if

> that pleases them. I don't have sufficient ahankara to let this

kind

> of things keep me tied to a negative situation, as I have much

> better things to do.

> > If someone wants to "illuminate me" with the "hidden meaning"

> of "deeper levels" of their replies, please do so directly, and

> let's not waste time playing around in the mist. I have seen too

> many mistifiers playing mystics already.

> >

> > And yes, I believe I got sufficient feedback from this group.

> There are thousands of other , and I am already

participating

> to several others than this (even if they accept me as a member!!

ha

> ha funny girl).

> > I can get Lalita sahasra nama and other bona fide texts

elsewhere,

> without people insulting me "to lighten the mood" for the benefit

of

> a silent or hostile audience.

> > If I want to lighten my mood, I will watch the real Woody Allen

> movies, and not get myself called a scared dog (with full respect

to

> the dog's symbolism in tantra – I don't think Mary Ann implied

> anything like that, it was not done with a positive implication

> anyway).

> >

> > However, I have nothing against anyone and I wish everybody well.

> May God(dess) bless you all.

> >

> > PKD

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Lars:

 

I am personally not interested in running a dictatorship -- it is too

time-consuming and not the kind of power trip that rocks my world. My

role here (and I believe the other moderators are on the same page) is

more or less administrative, even janitorial.

 

That said, I'd add that I'm also not interested in running a nursery

school. We have an awful lot of members, and somehow about 99% of them

exercise perfectly adult levels of self-control without anyone telling

them to do so.

 

So yeah, we've kicked people out before -- and we've had the expected

accusations hurled: we are censors, we are conspiring to spread false

information, we are unpleasant people with bad haircuts and poor

fashion senses; whatever.

 

Actually, what we are is busy, and we don't generally have the time

and energy necessary to babysit high-maintenance types who don't

understand that the freedom of this forum carries with it a certain

amount of responsibility: If people want to mouth off, call other

people names, dominate conversations, disregard basic Netiquette, and

basically foul the vibe of this group, who needs 'em?

 

If they want to quit in protest, they can; if we've gotta stick 'em

on "moderate posts" to stem the flow, we will; if they want to stick

around and start acting civilly and being nice and enjoying the group,

its great members and useful resources, well, we're always happy to

have them around.

 

Hokay?

 

DB

 

 

, Lars Hedström <lars@2...> wrote:

> Groups like this must be moderated somewhat dictatorial. I moderate

a group myself and a while ago I had to suspend a person who couldn't

behave politely.

>

> Please stay Parama, and together we instead can urge the moderator

to not tolerate disrespectful behavior.

>

> Regards

>

> Lars