(Mystery of the 5M)

June 18, 2005

vikram & colin -

strangely i have had similar discussion with a woman friend who has

been following tantra for a long time. she s to the notion

that one has to find the balance between the male and female "and when

that happens, you know what happens?" of course i didn't know but i

said that one should in relationship with a bisexaul famale. she

laughed about that but i wondered if one got to that place, wouldn't

one be self contained therefore and not in need of the other of the

opposite sex?

my experience with sexuality is that (men at least) are bit unbalanced

without a woman. part of that is biological but not always even if

the trip is for the sake of biology. though the act of love and

sexual embrace (sexual conversation) there is a completion emotionally

and energetically that doesn't exist in other relationships. that is

the sacredness between the communion (yab-yum) between a man and a

woman. it has taken me a while for me to understand that the woman

is the vessle for men to learn about himself and his spirituality.

to propitiate devinity is a better way to put it. from what i

understand of tantra, it would seem energetically something limited to

a man and a woman because of our devine design. there is a lot of

connection between our spirit and souls with our body. HOWEVER, i

don't see that it could be impossible for same sex relationships

though i don't know if it could be as powerful of an expression. love

is love, isn't it?

sincerely,

eric

, vikram vanam

<vikram_vanam2005> wrote:

> HI To All

>

> From reading the mails on this topic, i observe We have forgotten

the goal of using tantric

>

> means to propiate the Divinity

>

> It is to overcome our basic instinct to feel attracted towards the

opposite sex ( and not the

>

> same sex) and regard the opposite sex as the divinity personified

>

> As one great mystic, Swami satyananda saraswathi of bihar school of

yoga has said that

>

> the shortest way to reach the enlighted stage is thru 5Ms but it is

so difficult once a devotee

>

> falls,he can never get back to the path and very few are eligible

>

> again there is a solution, swami premananda ( purity personified )

of sri ramakrishna ashram

>

> has said if we cant overcome the basic instinct, let us consider the

opposite sex as the

>

> companions of the divine lord, here he was saying to men

specifically, since in the tantras

>

> the women are considered to be the forms of the divine mother

>

> Yes the Divine mother would forgive the greatest of the sinners, so

a gay is not such a big

>

> sin then, since the basic desire exist even in straight people too

>

> why should we try to change the rules set down by Great lords like

sri ramakrishna

>

> to suit our selfish desires isnt?

>

> regards

> vikram

> colin777au <colinr@z...> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> If I remember correctly, male-male embracing is mentioned in the

> Kularnava Tantra as one of the things that can happen in a

> particular sort of worship circle. I will try to find the exact

> verse as soon as I can.

>

> Om Shantih

> Colin

>

June 18, 2005

Maybe I am wrong, but i would like to say that the sexual part in Tantra is at a

stage where pure erotism ends and the pleasure one gets is NOT the "little

death" but eternal life. And at that stage the erotism ends.

Eric Otto <eottoe2001 wrote:vikram & colin -

strangely i have had similar discussion with a woman friend who has been

following tantra for a long time. she s to the notion that one has to

find the balance between the male and female "and when that happens, you know

what happens?" of course i didn't know but i said that one should in

relationship with a bisexaul famale. she laughed about that but i wondered if

one got to that place, wouldn't

one be self contained therefore and not in need of the other of the opposite

sex?

my experience with sexuality is that (men at least) are bit unbalanced without a

woman. part of that is biological but not always even if the trip is for the

sake of biology. though the act of love and sexual embrace (sexual

conversation) there is a completion emotionally and energetically that doesn't

exist in other relationships. that is the sacredness between the communion

(yab-yum) between a man and a oman. it has taken me a while for me to

understand that the woman s the vessle for men to learn about himself and his

spirituality.

to propitiate devinity is a better way to put it. from what i understand of

tantra, it would seem energetically something limited to a man and a woman

because of our devine design. there is a lot of connection between our spirit

and souls with our body. HOWEVER, i don't see that it could be impossible for

same sex relationships though i don't know if it could be as powerful of an

expression. love is love, isn't it?