Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 namaste dear Mr. Sankara if a devotee is pratising kaula tradition, is auto erotism allowed can you please suggest books available on kaula path If a guru has agreed to teach kaula to a disciple, what should the disciple do to get ready for pratice regards vikram sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: Bhavani twam dase is one of the most powerful meditative tools we have in Shakta tantra. Just visualise the scene clearly and completely in Technicolor {{{{{{"Do you, O lady (bhavani), extend to me, your slave, a compassionate glance!" — when one desiring to praise you utters the words "you, O lady", at that moment you grant him a state of identity with you, with your feet illuminated (as in the evening waving of lights before a god's image) by the crests of Mukunda (Vishnu), Brahma, and Indra. [note There is a pun in this statement, for the words "you, O lady" (bhavani tvam) also mean 'may I become you'. A worshiper wins Devi's grace and achieves identity with her when he utters these words]}}}}}} Imagine you standing in front of Devi while Brahma, Vishnu and Other gods are prostrating before her. See the feet of Devi being illuminated by the lights fro the jewels on their crown like a million Suns and say these words and imagine you being invited to sit along with her and suddenly you becoming HER and the devas doing obeisance to YOU!! Do this meditation till the whole scene becomes automatic with all the small details and flashes every time you start reciting this shloka and you will verily become HER with all her powers and attributes. So why be confused with the words? Practice and see. This is the esoteric matter thats dealt with in this shloka. (when you become Devi do let me know, so that I can visit you. *smile*) - It does not take a long time. NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: , Max Dashu <maxdashu@l...> wrote: > OK, i have to ask: does this mean during her husband's lifetime? > > Max > > > O Mother, owing to the power of your ear ornaments" > > > >[Note : such ornaments are worn by a married woman only during her coverture] >From The Thousand Names of the Divine Mother, Sri Lalita Sahasranama with commentary. Translated into english by Dr. M.N. Namboodiri. Mata Amritanandamayi Math [Publisher] reads : Kamesvara prAna nAdi : she who is the very life of Kamesvara. Her consort. Sri Sankara explains in S.L [Verse 22] "Even the devas who have consumed the nectar that removes old age and death perish in the great dissolution [pralaya]. But Siva who has consumed virulent poison can defy death even at the time. The reason for this, O Mother, is the power of Your ear ornaments.!" In the brilliance of those ornaments, the darkness of the poison fades and the poison ceases to be virulent. This is how Devi becomes the vital neve [prAna Nadi] of Siva. Widows do not normally wear such ornaments. Now I check on the SL. Verse 22. The Saundaryalahari; or, Flood of Beauty — traditionally ascribed to Sankaracarya, edited and translated by W. Norman Brown (Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press, 1958). Verse 22 bhavAni tvaM dAse vitara dRShTiM sakaruNAM iti stotuM vAcchan kathayati bhavAni tvamiti yaH | tadaiva tvaM tasmai dishasi nijasAyujyapadaviiM mukunda brahmendra sphuTa mukuTa niirAjitapadAm || "Do you, O lady (bhavani), extend to me, your slave, a compassionate glance!" — when one desiring to praise you utters the words "you, O lady", at that moment you grant him a state of identity with you, with your feet illuminated (as in the evening waving of lights before a god's image) by the crests of Mukunda (Vishnu), Brahma, and Indra. [note There is a pun in this statement, for the words "you, O lady" (bhavani tvam) also mean 'may I become you'. A worshiper wins Devi's grace and achieves identity with her when he utters these words] I rather confuse with this !!!! Visit your group "" on the web. Kind Regard Vikram Vanam Account Manager Edutech India 2/2, Union Street Off Infantry Road Bangalore, India Tel: +91 80 51123437 Fax: +91 80 51517810 GSM: +91 9845897892 www.edutechindia.com "Enhancing knowledge and skills for success, lifelong." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 its for Guru to say. Just anybody cannot be a Guru, there are lakshanas and it is the duty of the student to test the teacher to see whether he is comepetnt to teach vikram vanam <vikram_vanam2005 wrote: namaste dear Mr. Sankara if a devotee is pratising kaula tradition, is auto erotism allowed can you please suggest books available on kaula path If a guru has agreed to teach kaula to a disciple, what should the disciple do to get ready for pratice regards vikram sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: Bhavani twam dase is one of the most powerful meditative tools we have in Shakta tantra. Just visualise the scene clearly and completely in Technicolor {{{{{{"Do you, O lady (bhavani), extend to me, your slave, a compassionate glance!" — when one desiring to praise you utters the words "you, O lady", at that moment you grant him a state of identity with you, with your feet illuminated (as in the evening waving of lights before a god's image) by the crests of Mukunda (Vishnu), Brahma, and Indra. [note There is a pun in this statement, for the words "you, O lady" (bhavani tvam) also mean 'may I become you'. A worshiper wins Devi's grace and achieves identity with her when he utters these words]}}}}}} Imagine you standing in front of Devi while Brahma, Vishnu and Other gods are prostrating before her. See the feet of Devi being illuminated by the lights fro the jewels on their crown like a million Suns and say these words and imagine you being invited to sit along with her and suddenly you becoming HER and the devas doing obeisance to YOU!! Do this meditation till the whole scene becomes automatic with all the small details and flashes every time you start reciting this shloka and you will verily become HER with all her powers and attributes. So why be confused with the words? Practice and see. This is the esoteric matter thats dealt with in this shloka. (when you become Devi do let me know, so that I can visit you. *smile*) - It does not take a long time. NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: , Max Dashu <maxdashu@l...> wrote: > OK, i have to ask: does this mean during her husband's lifetime? > > Max > > > O Mother, owing to the power of your ear ornaments" > > > >[Note : such ornaments are worn by a married woman only during her coverture] >From The Thousand Names of the Divine Mother, Sri Lalita Sahasranama with commentary. Translated into english by Dr. M.N. Namboodiri. Mata Amritanandamayi Math [Publisher] reads : Kamesvara prAna nAdi : she who is the very life of Kamesvara. Her consort. Sri Sankara explains in S.L [Verse 22] "Even the devas who have consumed the nectar that removes old age and death perish in the great dissolution [pralaya]. But Siva who has consumed virulent poison can defy death even at the time. The reason for this, O Mother, is the power of Your ear ornaments.!" In the brilliance of those ornaments, the darkness of the poison fades and the poison ceases to be virulent. This is how Devi becomes the vital neve [prAna Nadi] of Siva. Widows do not normally wear such ornaments. Now I check on the SL. Verse 22. The Saundaryalahari; or, Flood of Beauty — traditionally ascribed to Sankaracarya, edited and translated by W. Norman Brown (Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press, 1958). Verse 22 bhavAni tvaM dAse vitara dRShTiM sakaruNAM iti stotuM vAcchan kathayati bhavAni tvamiti yaH | tadaiva tvaM tasmai dishasi nijasAyujyapadaviiM mukunda brahmendra sphuTa mukuTa niirAjitapadAm || "Do you, O lady (bhavani), extend to me, your slave, a compassionate glance!" — when one desiring to praise you utters the words "you, O lady", at that moment you grant him a state of identity with you, with your feet illuminated (as in the evening waving of lights before a god's image) by the crests of Mukunda (Vishnu), Brahma, and Indra. [note There is a pun in this statement, for the words "you, O lady" (bhavani tvam) also mean 'may I become you'. A worshiper wins Devi's grace and achieves identity with her when he utters these words] I rather confuse with this !!!! Visit your group "" on the web. Kind Regard Vikram Vanam Account Manager Edutech India 2/2, Union Street Off Infantry Road Bangalore, India Tel: +91 80 51123437 Fax: +91 80 51517810 GSM: +91 9845897892 www.edutechindia.com "Enhancing knowledge and skills for success, lifelong." Visit your group "" on the web. Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 check this out: www.antisex.go.ro --- vikram vanam <vikram_vanam2005 wrote: > namaste dear Mr. Sankara > > if a devotee is pratising kaula tradition, is auto erotism allowed > > can you please suggest books available on kaula path > > If a guru has agreed to teach kaula to a disciple, what should the disciple do to > get ready for > > pratice > > regards > vikram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 , vikram vanam <vikram_vanam2005> wrote: > namaste dear Mr. Sankara > > if a devotee is pratising kaula tradition, is auto erotism allowed > > can you please suggest books available on kaula path > > If a guru has agreed to teach kaula to a disciple, what should the disciple do to get ready for > > pratice > > regards > vikram Kindly allow me to make some comments on this. It is my understanding [ I might be wrong, im learning too ]that you are born a kuala. So its either you are or your are not. It is something you cannot learn from a book. It is often by word of mouth : from the guru to the student. Nor can you pretend to be a kuala, hoping that if you behave like a kuala or try to think like a kuala, it will make you a kuala. It does not work that way. You may say this statment: "you are born a kuala" is an elitist statement. Some genius are born with it, while many others have to go through many steps [ through learning and experience ] before they acquire that skills and knowledge. Nor do you go around asking : I want a Kuala Guru. DEVI will decide the appropriate Guru for you. It is the guru who chooses the student and not the other way round. So you may ask : what shall I do then? My answer, be yourself and be patience, for patience is virtue. Pray to DEVI to show you the guidance, and SHE Will send you one when you are ready. If you browse our archives in the group, Arjuna have given a list of Kuala books. But again, you must be careful when you read from books, because you cannot take it literally at face value. I like to share my short discussion I had with one of our senior member with regards to yesterday message I posted on : Lalitha Sahasranama no 374 thegoddessisinme2002 : I finds such statement very confusing ….. but if u really read it, it seems as if its refering to the ear ornaments, so when it says SL verse 22 etc... and when I refer, to the commentaries are very different altogether. Member : yes thegoddessisinme2002 : the whole thing is if you look at it does not make sense or it is meant to be like that to make sense only for those who knows what to look for? Member: Yes. Most of these esoteric things are meant only to be understood by the initiate, for the non initiate bhakta it is a verse of devotion. My apology again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Dear NMadasamy Thanks for your clear sight into this my guru who has initiated me into sri vidya upasana, is himselve a great Kaula guru and when I did ask him what should be the qualities the disciple must have, he replied "willingness to try" and later when I requested him that I want to follow the kaula path, he replied that I need to be with him Yes you are right, if i read the scriptures pertaining to kaula pratice, i would be taking in a literal sense my only wish is to reach the divine mother's abode quickly and the kaula way is the shortest way but very dangerous as sri ramakrishna cautions to his followers if you have any info on this,kindly please share it with me Kind regards vikram NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: , vikram vanam <vikram_vanam2005> wrote: > namaste dear Mr. Sankara > > if a devotee is pratising kaula tradition, is auto erotism allowed > > can you please suggest books available on kaula path > > If a guru has agreed to teach kaula to a disciple, what should the disciple do to get ready for > > pratice > > regards > vikram Kindly allow me to make some comments on this. It is my understanding [ I might be wrong, im learning too ]that you are born a kuala. So its either you are or your are not. It is something you cannot learn from a book. It is often by word of mouth : from the guru to the student. Nor can you pretend to be a kuala, hoping that if you behave like a kuala or try to think like a kuala, it will make you a kuala. It does not work that way. You may say this statment: "you are born a kuala" is an elitist statement. Some genius are born with it, while many others have to go through many steps [ through learning and experience ] before they acquire that skills and knowledge. Nor do you go around asking : I want a Kuala Guru. DEVI will decide the appropriate Guru for you. It is the guru who chooses the student and not the other way round. So you may ask : what shall I do then? My answer, be yourself and be patience, for patience is virtue. Pray to DEVI to show you the guidance, and SHE Will send you one when you are ready. If you browse our archives in the group, Arjuna have given a list of Kuala books. But again, you must be careful when you read from books, because you cannot take it literally at face value. I like to share my short discussion I had with one of our senior member with regards to yesterday message I posted on : Lalitha Sahasranama no 374 thegoddessisinme2002 : I finds such statement very confusing ….. but if u really read it, it seems as if its refering to the ear ornaments, so when it says SL verse 22 etc... and when I refer, to the commentaries are very different altogether. Member : yes thegoddessisinme2002 : the whole thing is if you look at it does not make sense or it is meant to be like that to make sense only for those who knows what to look for? Member: Yes. Most of these esoteric things are meant only to be understood by the initiate, for the non initiate bhakta it is a verse of devotion. My apology again. Beliefs of hinduism Sri chakra Traditions Divine Hinduism Visit your group "" on the web. Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 , vikram vanam <vikram_vanam2005> wrote: > my only wish is to reach the divine mother's abode quickly and the kaula way is the shortest way but very dangerous as sri ramakrishna cautions to his followers KINDLY TELL ME IN WHAT WAY IS IT DANGEROUS. SARAH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 , vikram vanam <vikram_vanam2005> wrote: > Dear NMadasamy > > Thanks for your clear sight into this > > my guru who has initiated me into sri vidya upasana, is himselve a great Kaula guru and when > I did ask him what should be the qualities the disciple must have, he replied "willingness to try" and later when I requested him that I want to follow the kaula path, he replied that I need to be with him > > Yes you are right, if i read the scriptures pertaining to kaula pratice, i would be taking in a literal sense > > my only wish is to reach the divine mother's abode quickly and the kaula way is the shortest way but very dangerous as sri ramakrishna cautions to his followers > > if you have any info on this,kindly please share it with me > > Kind regards > vikram I had the same discussion with a good friend about this need to be "in the shortest way". We asked ourselves each time: why the hurry? Yes! why are we in a hurry. Do we choose this path because we want faster results. Strangly enough we know nothing about kuala/kualaism. Even up till today I am still trying to understanding this whole concept about Kualaism and the kuala. Realise that it began to reveal itself to you gradually as you progresses along. You began to understand based on personal experience. It may take a life time even to truly understand it in its totality. We asked ourselves again what are our intentions in the first place? What are we suppose to do with the results if we did get them? These are the many questions we keep on questioning ourselves. Often im being told : you are advancing fast. Puzzled me many times too. Fast? What did I do? I did nothing fantastic. I did as I'm being told. Never knew what to look for, nor any goal or results to strive for. You just do what you are being taught. Do it with love and passion. Sadhana should be fun only then you will enjoy it, and you carried it out not because you must/ being force, but because you love doing it. The process should be natural, only then it will come to you naturally. I dont know, that is how I see it. I am just a struggling sadhika. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 dear sarah What I meant by dangerous In kaula tradition divine mother has to be propiated thru intercourse,meat and alchohal But If the devotee loses perspective of obtaining the divine grace and think of animal desire then the devotee falls from the path regards vikram krshnascow <krshnascow wrote: , vikram vanam <vikram_vanam2005> wrote: > my only wish is to reach the divine mother's abode quickly and the kaula way is the shortest way but very dangerous as sri ramakrishna cautions to his followers KINDLY TELL ME IN WHAT WAY IS IT DANGEROUS. SARAH Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Quote________ Never knew what to look for, nor any goal or results to strive for. End Quote____ Please correct me if I'm wrong. I think the object of Sadhana is to enjoy the journey. At first, there is a goal.....to feel HER, to see Her. Once SHE comes when the sadhaka thinks of Her, the sadhaka has HER as a guide within her/him and as the Guru externally. By continuing sadhana, SHE will be felt every microsecond of one's life. Advancing or not advancing is merely a question of sadhana or rather if SHE wants you to go further or not. Again, SHE knows what you are meant to be. Only SHE knows if you will be ready in this lifetime or.....later. I do not want to ruffle feather on the subject of "attaining HER abode quickly," but, one has a lifetime. If not this, there is always the next. It is not that SHE loves the sadhaka in this birth....SHE loves him/her (in the physical form in this birth) without doubt. But, the truth is SHE loves the "aathma" or else one will not feel HER at all, right from the birth, to paraphrase Nora, "Kaulas are born as such," at which I will take the liberty to modify to reflect, "A Shaktha is born as such." Whether a Kaula or a Vaidheeka, it is an eternal triangle of love with SHE, Guru and the Sadhaka. So SHE will always be there for you, loving and guiding. Just enjoy the journey. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 thank u dear nora and vikram for valuable pieces of wisdom. sarah parashakthih parameshwarah , vikram vanam <vikram_vanam2005> wrote: > dear sarah > > What I meant by dangerous > > In kaula tradition divine mother has to be propiated thru intercourse,meat and alchohal > > But If the devotee loses perspective of obtaining the divine grace and think of animal desire > > then the devotee falls from the path > > regards > vikram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 , vikram vanam <vikram_vanam2005> wrote: > dear sarah > > What I meant by dangerous > > In kaula tradition divine mother has to be propiated thru intercourse, meat and alchohal. But If the devotee loses perspective of obtaining the divine grace and think of animal desire then the devotee falls from the path > > regards > vikram I disagree with this statement. You should really seriously think of spending more time with your kuala guru, then perhaps you will really understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 sir, what u mean by erotism, how can i find a guru regards manoj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Dear Manoj: Read back; it has been said time and again here that The Guru will come when time is ready. Just relax and pray till then. manoj menon <mmanojmenon wrote: sir, what u mean by erotism, how can i find a guru regards manoj Beliefs of hinduism Sri chakra Traditions Divine Hinduism Visit your group "" on the web. Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 sir i am waiting or that thime. i heard that sreevidya upasana begin from bala....why telling that sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: Dear Manoj: Read back; it has been said time and again here that The Guru will come when time is ready. Just relax and pray till then. manoj menon <mmanojmenon wrote: sir, what u mean by erotism, how can i find a guru regards manoj Beliefs of hinduism Sri chakra Traditions Divine Hinduism Visit your group "" on the web. Start your day with - make it your home page Visit your group "" on the web. Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Dear Manoj, thottam narayanan nambudiri is one of the greatest upasakas himself, and kind hearted too. Ask him and he wll definitely be happy to show you the path !! , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > Dear Manoj: > > Read back; it has been said time and again here that The Guru will come when time is ready. Just relax and pray till then. > > manoj menon <mmanojmenon> wrote: > sir, > what u mean by erotism, how can i find a guru > > regards > manoj > > > > > > > Beliefs of hinduism Sri chakra Traditions Divine Hinduism > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 > sarah > parashakthih parameshwarah > thank u for ur reply mr.aditya. i didnt understand that.is it sanskrit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 oh ic.......SARAH.it means parashakti and parameshwara are one and the same. soham , "krshnascow" <krshnascow> wrote: > > sarah > > parashakthih parameshwarah > > > > thank u for ur reply mr.aditya. i didnt understand that.is it > sanskrit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 DID ANY ONE NOTICE THAT AFTER THAT SINGLE QUESTION "MR. CHAUDHARY" DISAPPEARED INTO THE VOID? HE NOTICED THAT THERE ARE NO HYSTERICAL DEFENCES, NO LONG DRAWN DISCUSSION ON HIS FOOLISH QUESTION. SO HIS ATTEMPT FAILED AND HE HAS WITHDRAWN INTO THE WOODWORKS LOOKING FOR ANOTHER STRIKE LATER TO ADVANCE THE FUNDIE AGENDA. LETS KEEP IT UP!! aditya <tantrasiddhi wrote: oh ic.......SARAH.it means parashakti and parameshwara are one and the same. soham , "krshnascow" <krshnascow> wrote: > > sarah > > parashakthih parameshwarah > > > > thank u for ur reply mr.aditya. i didnt understand that.is it > sanskrit? Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Sri Vidya Upasana begins from the person realizing that self and HER are one. The famous Adhwaitha principle. That is the first step....the big step. A few attain this within this lifetime. Quite a good number of others keep on trying. That makes them ready in the next lifetime. So whatever you have learnt from SS website and other sources, select the best which suits you. Follow your instinct. Realizing to obey one's instinct is the first toddler step. Do not worry if you slip and fall. SHE as Mother will catch you and protect you. All the best. , manoj menon <mmanojmenon> wrote: > sir > i am waiting or that thime. i heard that sreevidya upasana begin from bala....why telling that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 I actually did not login to the group. My question was a serious one as some old rituals among some families involved animals or dressing up as animals. There are stories in which Sage couples take the form of deers for lovemaking. Anyway since it made you react, i would rather not discuss any further:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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