Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 "This way and that way I tried to keep the pail of water together, hoping the weak bamboos would never break But suddenly the bottom fell out: no more water no more moon in the water and emptiness in my hand!" Mugai Nyodai -- Japan's first female Zen Master , vikram vanam <vikram_vanam2005> wrote: > Thanks for your enlighting thought on this subject > > But again I would ask there are different kinds of moksha like merging/identifying one self as deity or being a companion of the god or having the same form of god or being with God > > so can a sadhaka of srividya reject the highest level of realisation and remain as a seperate identity closer to divine mother > > Pls let me know > > regards > vikram > > mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha> wrote: > Moksha is not something foreign to yourself which has to be reached > or inserted into you by force and maybe even against your will. > It is self rememberance. You can only remember something which is > already there.If you imagine moksha to be a goal you have to reach > you are suffering from a delusion that keeps you from reaching peace > of mind and happiness. > Reaching moksha is different. It is more like a realisation of an > error you made since countless incarnations by imagining an ego and > the idea of mine etc. You actually stay as you are you only discard > errors and illusions about yourself and the world. > It is like you look on the reflection of the moon and you think this > is the moon and then you look up realising that thi is not true. > You did not change the moon did not change and the reflection did not > change only your knowledge. > Manidvipa is a place to be found within yourself it does not exist > outside and if it would it would be of no importance to you since you > are living on earth. > > Panchadasi is brahma vidya. Brahmavidya is self rememberance. > > > > In the midst of the brain-conch, like the sun-shine glitters the "a". > Within it is situated, the "u" sound of moon-like splendor. > > The "m" sound too, like the fire, smokeless, resembling a lightning > flash. Thus shine the three moras, like the Moon, the Sun and the > fire. > > There upon a pointed flame, like a torch light exists. Know it as the > half mora, which one writes above the syllable > > For that wherein the sound fades away is the Brahman, the higher. > Yea, the whole sound is Brahman and conduces to immortality. > > (BrahmaVidya Upanishad) > > regards > Mahahradanatha > > , vikram vanam > <vikram_vanam2005> wrote: > > Hi nora > > > > I did ask my guru, he said that its a delusion to that the devotee, > the guru and the divine diety are seperate > > > > However personally i like to remain in a dual state and be with the > divine mother in Manidwipa, the highest heaven described in devi > bhagavatham > > > > regards > > vikram > > > > NMadasamy <nmadasamy@s...> wrote: > > , vikram vanam > > <vikram_vanam2005> wrote: > > > Hi nora > > > > > > Can you please clarify my doubt > > > > > > if a sadhaka merges himself into divine mother or he realises the > > divine mother in him, would his individual identity gets destroyed > > > > > > if so who is the devotee or who enjoys the bliss > > > > > > regards > > > vikram > > > > > > > > No idea. Have not reach that stage as yet. Why not ask your guru > and > > share the information with us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beliefs of hinduism Independence day Traditions Divine Hinduism > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beliefs of hinduism Independence day Traditions Divine Hinduism > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 dualism ends where srividya bigins vikram vanam <vikram_vanam2005 wrote:The end is important as the means And since i am a dualist I would not consider moksha as the goal regards vikram NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: Does our spiritual journey end with moksha? Is the end is our prime goal or the process itself? Beliefs of hinduism Independence day Traditions Divine Hinduism Visit your group "" on the web. Start your day with - make it your home page Beliefs of hinduism Independence day Traditions Divine Hinduism Visit your group "" on the web. Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 what does ur Guru say? *smile* vikram vanam <vikram_vanam2005 wrote:Hi nora Can you please clarify my doubt if a sadhaka merges himself into divine mother or he realises the divine mother in him, would his individual identity gets destroyed if so who is the devotee or who enjoys the bliss regards vikram NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: , vikram vanam <vikram_vanam2005> wrote: > The end is important as the means > > And since i am a dualist I would not consider moksha as the goal > > regards > vikram Its like somebody saying: I like to be in the university but I dont want to graduate. I want to remain in here as long as I can. While others graduate, specialise in the field of their choice and able to contribute and make a difference to humanity, you remain stuck as you are. My favourite quote : the stationary condition is the beginning of the end. Beliefs of hinduism Independence day Traditions Divine Hinduism Visit your group "" on the web. Visit your group "" on the web. Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Thus spake Parasurama "Guru mantra devataa aathmaanam aikyam" the aim is to realise the unity of Guru; mantra devata and oneself. vikram vanam <vikram_vanam2005 wrote: Hi nora I did ask my guru, he said that its a delusion to that the devotee, the guru and the divine diety are seperate However personally i like to remain in a dual state and be with the divine mother in Manidwipa, the highest heaven described in devi bhagavatham regards vikram NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: , vikram vanam <vikram_vanam2005> wrote: > Hi nora > > Can you please clarify my doubt > > if a sadhaka merges himself into divine mother or he realises the divine mother in him, would his individual identity gets destroyed > > if so who is the devotee or who enjoys the bliss > > regards > vikram No idea. Have not reach that stage as yet. Why not ask your guru and share the information with us. Beliefs of hinduism Independence day Traditions Divine Hinduism Visit your group "" on the web. Beliefs of hinduism Independence day Traditions Divine Hinduism Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Dear Devi Bhakta You got me closer to imagining the experience Thanks a lot It is really a revealing thought to everyone regards vikram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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