Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...> wrote: > > > Does our spiritual journey end with moksha? Is the end is our prime > > goal or the process itself? In every journey ones takes, should there always be the destination. Why look for the goal, if we are the goal, then could be that the starting point of our journey is also the destination. NOw if reaching to top of the mountain as the goal, why keep on looking for the goal when you know you will eventually reach the goal if your process is right. Dont you think you should concentrate on the process because that is where the actual transformation is taking place. A lot of things can happen during the process, firstly you can get lost and never be able to find your way back. Secondly you can get injured and have to turn back to your starting point. Thirdly the whole transformation may lead to your own death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 I like to come back to the panchadasi, it has three kutas just like the omkara, these showing the three states waking dreaming deep sleep. We all know and experience these 3 states, and know that these states do not have strict boundaries: during the waking state we often switch into dreamstate (daydreaming) and deep sleep (forgetfulness of self and surroundings) even during dream we can become awake aware and notice we are dreaming. Inside the pancadasi the fourth kuta is hidden like butter is hidden in milk:. this fourth kuta is secret that means that in the 3 states the fourth state:. Moksha is hidden, meaning that it is not discernible for everybody at first sight. The real secret here is not about this mantra .: or any other mantra:. a mantra is only a more or less (often less) luminous heap of letters (REAL) sages are not too much concerned about letters.`. letters are of the nature of maya (UNREAL) and therefore most of the time only delude the unwary. If someone is pointing with his finger to the moon it is not the finger that is important but that he intends to make us look at the moon, but we can also choose to concentrate at his finger, at the expense of not seeing the moon. Likewise all the pujas and mantras and yantras etc are only pointing to the truth, they are not the truth. Every act should be done without looking for results to be fruitful in my opinion. On the other hand.... who am I to tell you the obvious? Which is: that the pancadasi tries to tell us that we are continually experiencing moksha everyday in our daily lives, for example in between inhalation and exhalation, inbetween one thought and the next, we simply do not notice it, so it remains a secret. Understanding what a secret really is will cause us to waste less nights in reciting more and more secret mantras each a litle bit longer and more secret then the last. Or maybe even look for a guru who is in the possesion of some mantra that is a little more secret than the last you got diksha for, like the very secret 111 lettered Mahaparaguhyarahasyakaulanavnathaswayambhumahavakyagurupaduka mantra which should eventually do the trick and enlighten us all (about the sort of gurus and sadhanas that should better be avoided) So even looking at the way can be sort of ehh... boring and longwinded also , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...> wrote: > , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...> > wrote: > > > > > > Does our spiritual journey end with moksha? Is the end is our prime > > > > goal or the process itself? > > > In every journey ones takes, should there always be the destination. > Why look for the goal, if we are the goal, then could be that the > starting point of our journey is also the destination. > > NOw if reaching to top of the mountain as the goal, why keep on > looking for the goal when you know you will eventually reach the > goal if your process is right. Dont you think you should concentrate > on the process because that is where the actual transformation is > taking place. A lot of things can happen during the process, firstly > you can get lost and never be able to find your way back. Secondly > you can get injured and have to turn back to your starting point. > Thirdly the whole transformation may lead to your own death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Namaskaar, I would like to comment on what you have written. " Now if reaching to top of the mountain as the goal,why keep on looking for the goal when you know you will eventually reach the goal if your process is right. Dont you think you should concentrate on the process because that is where the actual transformation is taking place. To keep looking for the goal is required as you the aspirant do not know what the final goal is, you and all else think they do, but it is only Ma who knows this ! A shakta practices Laya Yoga and in the process is transformed by the energy of Ma. In the initial stages of this process, one literally passes out as the energy is too awesome to bear, in the middle stages one dips in an out of awareness as you become more accustomed to the energy, in the intense states one does not pass out but goes into a much deeper/altered state of awareness to new dimensions( this really broadens your vision and then you become aware that what you thought you knew for sure was only one way of looking at things and THAT is the beginning of your awakening as this ais a very humbling experience ! ) "A lot of things can happen during the process, firstly you can get lost and never be able to find your way back." This is true, and as a precautionary practice what one should do is to pray to God in the form of the Guru, prior to spiritual practice. The guru always guides and protects his shisya. "Secondly you can get injured and have to turn back to your starting point." Oh well, nowhere is it written that these things can't happen. Th mark of a true Shakta is his/her ability to get back up dust him/herself off and go again. MA deliberately puts obstacles in your way to see how you will handle them and she will continuously test you. How else would you learn dear child ? "Thirdly the whole transformation may lead to your own death." A curious thing about life is that nobody and I mean nobody is getting out alive !!!. Death is a part of life and when you learn how to die consciously, this only marks a very temporary transition. It is literally like getting up and walking out of your body. Learning to not be scared is the challenge. Always trust in MA, always hold on to her and you will always be safe. There is such a thing called Analysis paralysis,be careful of this. However, it is wise to be cautious and to carefully research things before trying always. But as I told you, if you pray to Ma to teach you, not only will the information come to you spontaneously when you recite her mantra but you will have a clear understanding of how to apply, same. Don't be afraid to try, A shakta is a spiritual warrior who develops insight by the many times he falls yet to arise again. Contemplate on this " Devi is the Supreme energy, residing in the forms of Iccha, Kriya and Gyana Shaktis. All are but limited aspects of the Parashakti. " Devi here is Chandi splitting into Iccha-Lakshmi, Kriya -Kali and Gyana - Saraswati. She with form is no different from her nature - the formless. This is good to know intellectually but to know this as your own knowledge is quite a different thing. Pandit Devindra Maharaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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