Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Namaste, Would like to tie a few threads together here. Hanuman is the ideal or personification of bhakti or seva bhakti, in particular. Unconditional and complete surrender to His Master - Lord Rama. This devotion must be seen in the context of his serious tests of Rama to know whether Rama is fit to be his Master. This is not the case some hearsay that Rama is great. First hand test and verification before acceptance. Rama had no difficulty in undergoing the test and proving to Hanuman that Rama is indeed worthy of worship. After satisfying completely only, Hanuman became the premier sevak of Rama. Quoting from Niragadatta "Generally speaking there are two ways, external and internal. Either you live with somebody who knows the Truth and submit yourself entirely to his guiding and moulding influenze or you seek the inner guide and follow the inner light wherever it takes you. In both cases your personal fears and desires must be disregarded. You learn either by proximity or by investigation, the passive or active way. You either let yourself be carried away by the river of life and love represented by your Guru or you make your own efforts, guided by your inner star. In both cases you must move on, you must be earnest. Rare are the people who are lucky to find someone worthy of love and trust. Most must take the hard way, the way of intelligence and understanding, of discrimination and detachment (viveka-vairagya). This is the way open to all." Seems that the Veeratva (or heroism) is required for disregarding one's personal fears and desires. May be a mandatory requirement for all sincere spiritual efforts. SV upasana of certain schools may need more of it, perhaps. It may also be noted that Adi Sankara defines (in Viveka Choodamani) Bhakti as investigation into oneself (Sva Svaroopanusandhaanam). pranams, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 , "Krishnakumar M." <krishna_kumar_m> wrote: > Namaste, > > Would like to tie a few threads together here. Can add a few more ? I am sure we are not done as yet! "Seems that the Veeratva (or heroism) is required for disregarding one's personal fears and desires. May be a mandatory requirement for all sincere spiritual efforts. SV upasana of certain schools may need more of it, perhaps." In Bhavaninama Sahasranama Stutih [ A page from Rudyayamala Tantra] Engilsh Translation and Commentary by Jankinath Kaul "kamal" in Namavali No 277. A vira, he interpretated as the conquering power. He further remarked : It is the Mother's grace that grants the power of controlling one's organ of cognition against their tendencies of going astray. Even the restless mind is tamed towards worshipping the Mother with one pointedness. She is supremely heroic. Later one he continue : A woman who has her husband and children is called Vira. This is the spirit of heroism. Ive been trying to understand this last bit of information. Women with husband and children is a vira? Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Namaskaar Bhai This is a very well thought out and ties together a few threads for me indeed. Thank you Pandit Devindra Maharaj --- "Krishnakumar M." <krishna_kumar_m wrote: > Namaste, > > Would like to tie a few threads together here. > > Hanuman is the ideal or personification of bhakti or > seva bhakti, in particular. Unconditional and > complete surrender to His Master - Lord Rama. This > devotion must be seen in the context of his serious > tests of Rama to know whether Rama is fit to be his > Master. This is not the case some hearsay that Rama > is great. First hand test and verification before > acceptance. Rama had no difficulty in undergoing the > test and proving to Hanuman that Rama is indeed > worthy of > worship. After satisfying completely only, Hanuman > became the premier sevak of Rama. > > Quoting from Niragadatta "Generally speaking there > are two ways, external and internal. Either you > live with somebody who knows the Truth and submit > yourself entirely to his guiding and moulding > influenze or you seek the inner guide and follow the > inner light > wherever it takes you. In both cases your personal > fears and desires must be disregarded. You learn > either by proximity or by investigation, the passive > or active way. You either let yourself be carried > away by the river of life and love represented by > your > Guru or you make your own efforts, guided by your > inner star. In both cases you must move on, you > must be earnest. Rare are the people who are lucky > to find someone worthy of love and trust. Most must > take the hard way, the way of intelligence and > understanding, > of discrimination and detachment (viveka-vairagya). > This is the way open to all." > > Seems that the Veeratva (or heroism) is required for > disregarding one's personal fears and desires. May > be a mandatory requirement for all sincere spiritual > efforts. SV upasana of certain schools may need > more of it, perhaps. > > It may also be noted that Adi Sankara defines (in > Viveka Choodamani) Bhakti as investigation into > oneself (Sva Svaroopanusandhaanam). > > pranams, > > > > ____ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store./redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 I can only give the yoga View: Reversing the energy flow of the sense organs(and sexual energies) controlling them and turning the attention inside, the mating of the opposite principles (husband and wife siva sakti) occurs- not outside but inside, resulting is an inner child. Compare with my recents posts on kurukulla. See Bhavanopanishad about the 9 nathas watching over the sense impression flow. But this is only the lazy bum Yoga View. , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...> wrote: > , "Krishnakumar M." > <krishna_kumar_m> wrote: > > Namaste, > > > > Would like to tie a few threads together here. > > Can add a few more ? I am sure we are not done as yet! > > "Seems that the Veeratva (or heroism) is required for disregarding > one's personal fears and desires. May be a mandatory requirement > for all sincere spiritual efforts. SV upasana of certain schools > may need more of it, perhaps." > > > In Bhavaninama Sahasranama Stutih [ A page from Rudyayamala Tantra] > Engilsh Translation and Commentary by Jankinath Kaul "kamal" in > Namavali No 277. A vira, he interpretated as the conquering power. > He further remarked : It is the Mother's grace that grants the power > of controlling one's organ of cognition against their tendencies of > going astray. Even the restless mind is tamed towards worshipping > the Mother with one pointedness. She is supremely heroic. > > Later one he continue : A woman who has her husband and children is > called Vira. This is the spirit of heroism. > > Ive been trying to understand this last bit of information. Women > with husband and children is a vira? Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 all these texts are like a crystal ball, you can see what you like best:) , "mahahradanatha" <mahahradanatha> wrote: > I can only give the yoga View: > Reversing the energy flow of the sense organs(and sexual energies) > controlling them and turning the attention inside, the mating of the > opposite principles (husband and wife siva sakti) occurs- not outside > but inside, resulting is an inner child. Compare with my recents > posts on kurukulla. See Bhavanopanishad about the 9 nathas watching > over the sense impression flow. > > But this is only the lazy bum Yoga View. > > > , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...> > wrote: > > , "Krishnakumar M." > > <krishna_kumar_m> wrote: > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Would like to tie a few threads together here. > > > > Can add a few more ? I am sure we are not done as yet! > > > > "Seems that the Veeratva (or heroism) is required for disregarding > > one's personal fears and desires. May be a mandatory requirement > > for all sincere spiritual efforts. SV upasana of certain schools > > may need more of it, perhaps." > > > > > > In Bhavaninama Sahasranama Stutih [ A page from Rudyayamala Tantra] > > Engilsh Translation and Commentary by Jankinath Kaul "kamal" in > > Namavali No 277. A vira, he interpretated as the conquering power. > > He further remarked : It is the Mother's grace that grants the > power > > of controlling one's organ of cognition against their tendencies of > > going astray. Even the restless mind is tamed towards worshipping > > the Mother with one pointedness. She is supremely heroic. > > > > Later one he continue : A woman who has her husband and children is > > called Vira. This is the spirit of heroism. > > > > Ive been trying to understand this last bit of information. Women > > with husband and children is a vira? Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 , "Krishnakumar M." <krishna_kumar_m> wrote: > Namaste, > Hanuman is the ideal or personification of bhakti or seva bhakti, in > particular. Unconditional and complete surrender to His Master - > Lord Rama. This devotion must be seen in the context of his serious > tests of Rama to know whether Rama is fit to be his Master. This is > not the case some hearsay that Rama is great. First hand test and > verification before acceptance. Rama had no difficulty in undergoing > the test and proving to Hanuman that Rama is indeed worthy of > worship. After satisfying completely only, Hanuman became the > premier sevak of Rama. Going to another topic with this, here is a question for you, Krishna. How did Hanuman test Rama for authenticity? From what I have read (fairly well of the Ramayana), I have never heard that Hanuman actually tested Rama. What was Rama's proof of worthiness? Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Namaste Krishnakumar: It is a nice quote, but I would argue that this is not an either/or proposition. The guru may guide, assist, even boost or supercharge the shishya's sadhana -- but even with the best of gurus, no aspirant is exempted from the need for great personal effort and discipline. As Amrita put it, "When I switch on a computer, the monitor and programs come alive and I interact and work on new programs. The computer's power switch is the way to my experience of the programs (or whatever). The guru is like that. It is just an enabling device. Without it there is no experience of program. With it, it is not guaranteed. However the conditions are (1) having the computer, electricity and programs, and (2) your willingness to sit in front of it and work. Given these two, results are not guaranteed, but conditions have been met for them to occur. Finally, you are the architect of your realization." I would argue that Niragadatta's "external" way is Amrita's requirement (1), and that Nirgatta's "internal" way is Amrita's requirement (2). It is not an either/or proposition. I think most people will need both. Aim MAtangyai NamaH , "Krishnakumar M." <krishna_kumar_m> wrote: > Quoting from Niragadatta "Generally speaking there are two ways, external and internal. Either you live with somebody who knows the Truth and submit yourself entirely to his guiding and moulding influenze or you seek the inner guide and follow the inner light > wherever it takes you. In both cases your personal fears and desires must be disregarded. You learn either by proximity or by investigation, the passive or active way. You either let yourself be carried away by the river of life and love represented by your > Guru or you make your own efforts, guided by your inner star. In both cases you must move on, you must be earnest. Rare are the people who are lucky to find someone worthy of love and trust. Most must take the hard way, the way of intelligence and understanding, > of discrimination and detachment (viveka-vairagya). This is the way open to all." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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