Devi as the Lover [Becoming Ma! ]

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ganpra wrote:

> Vikram,

>

> If you were alluding to this from Nora's earlier post....

>

> Quote__________

> P1 : Yes, thats why we call her MAA. As you advance she becomes the

> child and you the father/mother (Bala); then she becomes lover

> (panchadashi) and then she becomes the eternal maiden (Shodashi).

It

> is only at the panchadashi mode sex has any role

> End Quote_______

>

> .......and with your stating that you have been initiated into

> panchadhashi, it is a bit concerning where you are heading off

into.

>

> Since you have had the good fortune of a Guru, talk to him -

> explicitly - about this discussion here. Get his opinion and

advise.

>

> Talk to your guru and ask how and what will be the experience

before

> you think of heading that path. What are the potential benefits

and

> more importantly, potential dangers.

>

> I will give you a hint of the commitment: Let us take the

> hypothetical stage where SHE loves a sadhaka as a lover. By this

> time, when anyone gets to that stage must know that SHE is a

> pathivratha. SHE will not even look at any males other than

> Sadhashiva. So how and why SHE will be a lover to a Sadhaka?? what

> does that mean to a Sadhaka? Is the Sadhaka capable of meeting the

> demands of such divine love? What are the effects of such

> an "affair" on the worldly environment of the Sadhaka? What

> temptations may arise?

>

> Dwell over these questions. If you are able to arrive at the

answers

> by yourself, it is good. If not, well, what the heck....ask your

> Guru anyway.

>

> Also, the ability to distingush between real and unreal is an

> advantage.

 

Thank you ganpra. Nice to see you back in the group again.I had an

interesting discussion with another not so young man [ he has been

married for 2 yrs ] and as soon he being told :yes! its possible to

appraoch Devi as a lover, immediately the idea of sex comes into

his mind. I then asked the question : does love must always equal

to sex? Can you love somebody without the sexual aspect?

 

UNCONDITIONAL LOVE towards Devi, the lovers mode is the highest

form of devotion. The mother and child is the simplest and the

second best . A lot of people go into that mode because its much

easier for them to relate to but you dont merge with you're

mother. That is incestous. so the mother and child devotion will

remain as it is. You continue to be a separate entity and you can

never merge with her. Only when you're the lover, you merge as one

that is the purpose of our sadhana. to merge with the divine and

you transcendent to be Durga or Lalitha or Tara. Whatever ista

devata is your choice That is my understanding. If you refer again

to Ramprased Ren Poems from the beginning: Visions of the Goddess

and Tantric Hymns of Enlightment. He progresses from this Mother-

Child to eventually lovers mode. Read the poems properly and you may

understand what im talking about. He is widely known as the intense

lover of the Goddess.

 

Of our senior members told me : If devi is you, thinking having sex

with Devi a masturbatory process.

 

That is the problem when you cannot look beyond the physical

aspect. When you think abt lover, immediately you think abt sex.

And for those who have been condition that sex is bad. Sex is dirty,

they immediately reject the whole idea without even use their brain

to think first. For those of us who are married especially with

somebody we fall in love with, does married life means sex all the

time?

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Namaskaar

 

I would like to disagree with the following statement

" The mother and child is the simplest and the second best . A lot of people go

into that mode because its much easier for them to relate to but you don't

merge with you're mother. That is incestous. so the mother and child devotion

will remain as it is. You continue to be a separate entity and you can never

merge with her."

 

This is according to your understanding. I would like to suggest another way of

becoming one with Ma that you may not be aware of. This is for the real Viras

only - I'm serious this is really dangerous ! Juniors should pretend they have

never even seen this email.

 

Perform Shavasana and focus on the bindu,reciting only Aum, resonate this from

all chakras, when you have mentally connected with it ask Ma to absorb you ( if

you have the courage !) This does not involve any sex or sexual thoughts but I

assure you when you she absorbs you and are one with Ma there is no feeling in

the world quite like it.

Actually sex and orgasms pale in comparison to this feeling - both are quite

short lived ! And its not incestous either.

 

This is quite exhilarating and you still get to be MA's child ( I am quite fond

of this lower state you see ) by merging with her you get partially transformed

into her for the period of time that she

allows you as your reward. One caution here for all that would try this, when

her energy begins to descend you will experience a feeling as though you are

being split apart atom by atom, if you cannot bear it beg her pardon for

disturbing her unnecessarily and continue reciting her mantra as atonement !

When you are done make sure to eat something light and drink lots of water.

 

FINAL WARNING

DO NOT TRY THIS if you are not prepared for final rest because if she absorbs

you and its your time to go, you will be gone and no one will be able to help

you.

 

 

Dhanyavaad

Pandit Devindra Maharaj